iPhone is AT&T's top-selling handset

Be sure to include comp.sys.mac.advocacy in all iPhone followups. Since
the Mac fanboy community wants to harass mobile phone newsgroups, we
should be sure that their newsgroups get all the responses.

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, Ness_net wrote:
> Goddam Oxford sock puppets....
> (Deluded AND schizophrenic)
>
> EVERYTHING you have posted is conjecture - at best.
> Not a single fact is contained in them.
>
> It will be YOU that will have their nose rubbed in it.
>
> And, in less than a year, when EVERY company you blather
> about is still here, strong as ever. And Apple is still in
> fourth (or less) place worldwide.
>
>
> "Mark Thompson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> At least mine are factual, and yes, I'm just ahead of the market. You'll
>> see in a couple years what I'm talking about then say "Oh, that's what
>> that smart guy on usenet was clamoring about".
>>
>
>
>

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

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I finally get it.. You get off on posting about I phone to this group
because it makes you feel better knowing that someone will actually engage
in conversation with you and so..LOSER
"Mark Thompson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Ness_net" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Why do you use multiple names?
>> Stick to one - you schizophrenic??
>
> there just pen names. Ben Franklin had around 18 of them. I have only 8,
> so I have a ways to go to catch up with old Ben
>
>> The only ones being "laughed at" are ones like you
>> making extremely stupid statements.
>
> At least mine are factual, and yes, I'm just ahead of the market. You'll
> see in a couple years what I'm talking about then say "Oh, that's what
> that smart guy on usenet was clamoring about".
>
>> Like ALL of the below...
>>
>> Quit posting to alt.cell.verizon - keep your fanboy ****
>> where it belongs - and someone - anyone cares.
>
> I'll post where I want, when I want, and say anything I want. This is
> usenet so anything goes.
>
> Learn to live with it.
>
> -

In article <[email protected]>, IMHO IIRC
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > Keep your eyes and ears covered...it's a better world that way.
>
> And that is exactly what Apple iPhone purponents do except when Steve Jobs
> is speaking.

Yeah...like Bill Gates has a vision.

At 21 Oct 2007 15:51:37 -0700 Mr. Strat wrote:

> Yeah...like Bill Gates has a vision.


Actually he does, and these days it's philanthropy, not anything to do
with Microsoft. Arguably, with his wealth and drive he'll make a
difference in the world. I hope he's more successful in his future
endeavors than he ever was with Microsoft.

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Actually he does, and these days it's philanthropy, not anything to do
> with Microsoft. Arguably, with his wealth and drive he'll make a
> difference in the world. I hope he's more successful in his future
> endeavors than he ever was with Microsoft.

If you caught the Q&A a couple months back where Bill & Steve shared a
stage, Gates came across as a visionless geek with no understanding of
the relationship of technology and people. Steve, on the other hand,
showed a vision of how technology could improve people's lives.

At 21 Oct 2007 18:55:33 -0700 Mr. Strat wrote:

> If you caught the Q&A a couple months back where Bill & Steve shared a
> stage, Gates came across as a visionless geek with no understanding of
> the relationship of technology and people. Steve, on the other hand,
> showed a vision of how technology could improve people's lives.


Improve whose lives, though?
One man is currently trying to improve conditions in the third world, the
other is making it easier to identify what song is currently playing at
Starbucks.

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> At 21 Oct 2007 18:55:33 -0700 Mr. Strat wrote:
>
> > If you caught the Q&A a couple months back where Bill & Steve shared a
> > stage, Gates came across as a visionless geek with no understanding of
> > the relationship of technology and people. Steve, on the other hand,
> > showed a vision of how technology could improve people's lives.
>
>
> Improve whose lives, though?
> One man is currently trying to improve conditions in the third world, the
> other is making it easier to identify what song is currently playing at
> Starbucks.

It's about how we interact with technology. Gates and the Windows
empire has no clue as evidenced by their pitiful products.
Bill is free to spend his money as he pleases, but that doesn't mean
he's a better person than someone who continues to devote their life to
furthering technology. Jeez, you liberals are a self-righteous lot.

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 21 Oct 2007 18:55:33 -0700 Mr. Strat wrote:
>
>> If you caught the Q&A a couple months back where Bill & Steve shared a
>> stage, Gates came across as a visionless geek with no understanding of
>> the relationship of technology and people. Steve, on the other hand,
>> showed a vision of how technology could improve people's lives.
>
>
> Improve whose lives, though?
> One man is currently trying to improve conditions in the third world, the
> other is making it easier to identify what song is currently playing at
> Starbucks.
>

Gates's agenda is to improve the third world by selling product to the
third world.

Mr. Strat wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> At 21 Oct 2007 18:55:33 -0700 Mr. Strat wrote:
>>
>>> If you caught the Q&A a couple months back where Bill & Steve shared a
>>> stage, Gates came across as a visionless geek with no understanding of
>>> the relationship of technology and people. Steve, on the other hand,
>>> showed a vision of how technology could improve people's lives.
>>
>> Improve whose lives, though?
>> One man is currently trying to improve conditions in the third world, the
>> other is making it easier to identify what song is currently playing at
>> Starbucks.
>
> It's about how we interact with technology. Gates and the Windows
> empire has no clue as evidenced by their pitiful products.

No clue is right. In the late 80's I attended a seminar on *technology*
at a university where Gates was one of the speakers. As evidence with
the crowds(and other speakers) reaction during Gates talk it was pretty
obvious that Gates didn't 'get it' on what technology was/is.

> Bill is free to spend his money as he pleases, but that doesn't mean
> he's a better person than someone who continues to devote their life to
> furthering technology. Jeez, you liberals are a self-righteous lot.

Liberals/Neocon's are *all* a self-righteous lot, unfortunately.

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Mr. Strat wrote:
> It's about how we interact with technology. Gates and the Windows
> empire has no clue as evidenced by their pitiful products.

Oh, really? The market disagrees with you.

I use Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X on a daily and continual basis. Each
platform has its own strengths and weaknesses. There is no compelling
case for the unconditional superiority of any of the three over the other
two.

> Bill is free to spend his money as he pleases, but that doesn't mean
> he's a better person than someone who continues to devote their life to
> furthering technology. Jeez, you liberals are a self-righteous lot.

I don't see how liberalism or conservativism has anything to do with this
matter. I have no idea of Gates' political views; but observe that
conservatives are (and always have been) among the most generous donors to
charitable causes. I see nothing to criticize, and much to praise, about
Gates using his wealth to improve third world conditions.

I have more of a quarrel with his father, who wants to establish a state
income tax in Washington State for "fairness".

I don't see how Jobs "furthers technology" in any way. His company makes
occasionally interesting products based upon technology that others have
invented, but Apple's strength is in packaging, not invention nor
innovation.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

In article
<alpine.WNT.0.9999.0710221347460.1280@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washignton.EDU>,
Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> Oh, really? The market disagrees with you.

Just because Britney Spears sells a lot of records doesn't mean she's a
good singer.

> I use Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X on a daily and continual basis. Each
> platform has its own strengths and weaknesses. There is no compelling
> case for the unconditional superiority of any of the three over the other
> two.

Linux - designed by and for geeks, although Ubuntu is tolerable.
Windows, especially the pathetic Vista, I have no use for.

> I have more of a quarrel with his father, who wants to establish a state
> income tax in Washington State for "fairness".

I'd agree with that. I went to your fine school back in 1970/71.

> I don't see how Jobs "furthers technology" in any way. His company makes
> occasionally interesting products based upon technology that others have
> invented, but Apple's strength is in packaging, not invention nor
> innovation.

The Macintosh/iPod/iPhone are not innovative products?

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 21 Oct 2007 18:55:33 -0700 Mr. Strat wrote:
>
>> If you caught the Q&A a couple months back where Bill & Steve shared a
>> stage, Gates came across as a visionless geek with no understanding of
>> the relationship of technology and people. Steve, on the other hand,
>> showed a vision of how technology could improve people's lives.
>
>
> Improve whose lives, though?
> One man is currently trying to improve conditions in the third world, the
> other is making it easier to identify what song is currently playing at
> Starbucks.

Gates doesn't have the rock star qualities of Steve Jobs. They each have
their own set of groups that they help. Think of how Apple popularized
the use of computers in education. Gates has the financial resources to
help improve conditions in the third world. He is (or was) several
orders of magnitude wealthier than Jobs.

Combining a cell phone and MP3 player with a web browser may not be the
same as feeding the world's hungry, but maybe it'll help Job's transfer
enough wealth to himself and Apple stock holders that they can emulate
what Gate's is doing.

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Mr. Strat wrote:
>> I don't see how Jobs "furthers technology" in any way. His company makes
>> occasionally interesting products based upon technology that others have
>> invented, but Apple's strength is in packaging, not invention nor
>> innovation.
> The Macintosh/iPod/iPhone are not innovative products?

There is nothing in any of these that did not first appear in products
from other companies. Apple did not invent GUI or the mouse; nor did
Apple invent MP3; nor did Apple invent cell phones; nor did Apple invent
portable computing. Apple didn't invent the PDA either; the Newton was a
repackaged Sharp PDA.

I repeat: Apple's strength is in packaging, not invention nor innovation.
Apple does a good, at times excellent, job in taking existing technology
and repackaging it in very attractive forms. They then sell the resulting
derivative product for much higher prices than the original.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

In article
<alpine.WNT.0.9999.0710221727250.5880@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washignton.EDU>,
Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> There is nothing in any of these that did not first appear in products
> from other companies. Apple did not invent GUI or the mouse; nor did
> Apple invent MP3; nor did Apple invent cell phones; nor did Apple invent
> portable computing. Apple didn't invent the PDA either; the Newton was a
> repackaged Sharp PDA.

No, they didn't invent these things. But they looked at how bad
existing products for them were and created superior products in each
category.
What operating system (that's still around) is superior to OS X for
usability and security?
What MP3 player is as elegant and simple in design as the iPod?
What cell phone has the intuitive interface and design of the iPhone?

> I repeat: Apple's strength is in packaging, not invention nor innovation.
> Apple does a good, at times excellent, job in taking existing technology
> and repackaging it in very attractive forms. They then sell the resulting
> derivative product for much higher prices than the original.

I guess working in the U District has damaged your critical thinking
skills.

Mark Thompson <[email protected]> wrote in news:markt-
[email protected]:

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