iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

Bob Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:

> > become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.
> >
> > http://developer.apple.com/
>
> But but but - you said OS X was open source! Since when do you have
> to "become a developer" to download open source?

It is... you can download it here:

Darwin 6.0.2 is available as a bootable ISO CD image.

* x86 ISO image (315 MB)

http://www.opensource.apple.com/proj...0/release.html

Apple's other projects can be downloaded as well...

Darwin
Streaming Server
CDSA
CUPS
Kerberos
Open Directory
OpenPlay
Bonjour
WebCore
X11
HeaderDoc

> Oxford caught with his pants down - again!

No, I just caught you being out of touch with reality.

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On 2007-11-11, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

> CUPS
> Kerberos
> X11

Those aren't Apple projects, those are longstanding open-source projects
Apple ported to OSX.

> Open Directory

I think this one is too, but not sure.




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Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yeah, as if the "Finder" source code is there. You can download XCode
> with a bunch of samples, but now the Finder. or can you post the URL
> to the Finder source code? No, you'll tell me how I need to learn to
> solve problems myself (to hide the fact you are full of ****).

You wouldn't want the Finder to be fully opensource if you did, you end
up with the mess that is called Linux. Apple was smart to keep the front
end consistent for everyone.

If you want to change the Finder any way you like, you just need to know
this access key.

Go into System/Library/CoreServices/Finder - then hold down the Ctrl
Key, click and hold on the Finder Icon... choose Show Package Contents.

Then go into "Contents" and you have full access to the Finder.

You're welcome.

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Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> How many phones did Nokia sell in Germany on that day?

You mean how many N95's did they sell. All we know is far less than
2,300. Nokia is toast at the high end. Then when Apple comes online with
all their smaller phones, Nokia goes bye bye...

"Oxford" <[email protected]> stated in post
[email protected] on 11/11/07
9:43 AM:

> Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, as if the "Finder" source code is there. You can download XCode
>> with a bunch of samples, but now the Finder. or can you post the URL
>> to the Finder source code? No, you'll tell me how I need to learn to
>> solve problems myself (to hide the fact you are full of ****).
>
> You wouldn't want the Finder to be fully opensource if you did, you end
> up with the mess that is called Linux. Apple was smart to keep the front
> end consistent for everyone.
>
> If you want to change the Finder any way you like, you just need to know
> this access key.

Or just replace it with PathFinder or the like.
>
> Go into System/Library/CoreServices/Finder - then hold down the Ctrl
> Key, click and hold on the Finder Icon... choose Show Package Contents.
>
> Then go into "Contents" and you have full access to the Finder.
>
> You're welcome.
>
> -



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In news:[email protected],
Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
> Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
> successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.
>
> One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
> the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!
>
> Wow! Just Wow!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ
>
> The press is covering all the big news quite well, only the people
> scared of the iPhone seem to be upset. Nokia is extremely worried by
> this event, they can't get anyone to stand in line, much less buy their
> poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones. Apple has them by
> the balls and they can't do a thing about it at this point in the game.
>
> Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in Germany.
>
> In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
> including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
> customers already waiting outside.
>
> By 5 p.m., Deutsche Telekom AG, which owns T-Mobile, said it sold more
> than 10,000 iPhones in Germany through its shops and online.
>
<<<SNIP>>>


700 T-Mobile shops selling 10,000 iPhones (which includes online) is only
about 14 at each T-Mobile shop. lol

Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> The ATT store across from Northwoods Mall in the largest shopping
> district in Charleston, SC, an hour after opening was empty when
> I got there to play with it and ask embarrassing questions about
> what software it would run.
>
> There was never a line, outside, where the ropes were supposed to
> direct the screaming fans into the queue, according to the
> employees of the sports store next door. 3 or 4 people came up
> just before the doors opened.

That was because AT&T had to restrict purchases to 1 iPhone, at the
Apple Stores you could buy 2.

Plus you are in NC, a technological backwater.

> If 200 people line up in front of ATT in NYC, what % is that of
> the metro NYC population of millions? It looks like a lot on the
> webcam, but, by NYC standards, it was miniscule.

Ah, 4,000 people lined up for the iPhone in NYC at 1 Apple Store alone.

AT&T is just a phone store, no need to go there when you can get a
better experience at a real Apple Store.

Bob Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Darwin 6.0.2 is available as a bootable ISO CD image.
> >
> > * x86 ISO image (315 MB)
>
> But that's just Darwin - and the already existing open source stuff that
> Apple has adopted.
>
> The question is - where is the FInder source? QuickTime? The Dock?
> Until you can answer that, you are just blowing smoke - again.
>
> OS X is NOT open source. It contains some open source components (so
> does Windows), but OS X is NOT open source.

And I never said it was. It's 80% more opensource than Windows, and sure
20% less open than Linux. But considering it's a quite a bit better OS
than Linux or Windows, it's a fair compromise.

OSX is built on pure, established standards like no other OS built
today, so opensource advocates love it since you don't get locked in
like you do with Windows... and it's a fully compliant UNIX, unlike
Linux.

Learn Bob, Learn...

http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html

Open at the Source

http://www.apple.com/opensource/

Downloads direct from Apple...

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/

Enjoy!

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

> Bob Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Darwin 6.0.2 is available as a bootable ISO CD image.
> > >
> > > * x86 ISO image (315 MB)
> >
> > But that's just Darwin - and the already existing open source stuff that
> > Apple has adopted.
> >
> > The question is - where is the FInder source? QuickTime? The Dock?
> > Until you can answer that, you are just blowing smoke - again.
> >
> > OS X is NOT open source. It contains some open source components (so
> > does Windows), but OS X is NOT open source.
>
> And I never said it was.

Oh, but you did...

Message-ID:
<[email protected]>

Oxford> "At least OSX works on Linux or Apple Hardware and is fully
opensource."

Game, set and match, methinks...

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Peter

"IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:

> 700 T-Mobile shops selling 10,000 iPhones (which includes online) is only
> about 14 at each T-Mobile shop. lol

sure, but that's about 10 more in the same few hours than Nokia sold of
the N95.

please try and keep up IMHO.

In news:[email protected],
Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
> "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> 700 T-Mobile shops selling 10,000 iPhones (which includes online) is only
>> about 14 at each T-Mobile shop. lol
>
> sure, but that's about 10 more in the same few hours than Nokia sold of
> the N95.
>
> please try and keep up IMHO.

10 more iPhones sold than Nokia sold of the N95. Now that is impressive.
lol

On Nov 11, 11:43 am, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, as if the "Finder" source code is there. You can download XCode
> > with a bunch of samples, but now the Finder. or can you post the URL
> > to the Finder source code? No, you'll tell me how I need to learn to
> > solve problems myself (to hide the fact you are full of ****).
>
> You wouldn't want the Finder to be fully opensource if you did, you end
> up with the mess that is called Linux. Apple was smart to keep the front
> end consistent for everyone.

WTF? Finder's not open-source because it wants people to pay for
Finder, not because it would somehow degrade if made open-source (it
wouldn't).

> If you want to change the Finder any way you like, you just need to know
> this access key.
>
> Go into System/Library/CoreServices/Finder - then hold down the Ctrl
> Key, click and hold on the Finder Icon... choose Show Package Contents.
>
> Then go into "Contents" and you have full access to the Finder.
>
> You're welcome.

You ****ing jackass. Opening the folder that contains Finder's
executables and resources isn't the same as getting to its source
code. How dare you imply it's even remotely similar.

IMHO IIRC <[email protected]> wrote:

> In news:[email protected],
> Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
> > "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> 700 T-Mobile shops selling 10,000 iPhones (which includes online) is only
> >> about 14 at each T-Mobile shop. lol
> >
> > sure, but that's about 10 more in the same few hours than Nokia sold of
> > the N95.
> >
> > please try and keep up IMHO.
>
> 10 more iPhones sold than Nokia sold of the N95. Now that is impressive.
> lol

Especially given that the iPhone is the bright shiny new thing on the
block backed by massive viral marketing, and the N95 has been around for
donkeys.

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Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

In case you missed the big event, here's what happened when the iPhone
made it to Europe!

Wow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 09:43:15 -0700, Oxford wrote:

> Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, as if the "Finder" source code is there. You can download XCode
>> with a bunch of samples, but now the Finder. or can you post the URL
>> to the Finder source code? No, you'll tell me how I need to learn to
>> solve problems myself (to hide the fact you are full of ****).
>
> You wouldn't want the Finder to be fully opensource if you did, you end
> up with the mess that is called Linux.

Linux is not a mess, you lying ass. You might want it to be, you might
pray for it, but it is not a mess.

> Apple was smart to keep the front end consistent for everyone.

Smart enough? It doesn't take a lot of smarts to build on OSS projects
and lay proprietary layers on top.

>
> If you want to change the Finder any way you like, you just need to know
> this access key.
>
> Go into System/Library/CoreServices/Finder - then hold down the Ctrl
> Key, click and hold on the Finder Icon... choose Show Package Contents.
>
> Then go into "Contents" and you have full access to the Finder.
>
> You're welcome.
>
.... then how do you go about redistributing your changes to the source
you can't get?





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