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  1. #1
    Oxford
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    Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

    Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
    successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.

    One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
    the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!

    Wow! Just Wow!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ

    The press is covering all the big news quite well, only the people
    scared of the iPhone seem to be upset. Nokia is extremely worried by
    this event, they can't get anyone to stand in line, much less buy their
    poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones. Apple has them by
    the balls and they can't do a thing about it at this point in the game.

    Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in Germany.

    In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
    including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
    customers already waiting outside.

    By 5 p.m., Deutsche Telekom AG, which owns T-Mobile, said it sold more
    than 10,000 iPhones in Germany through its shops and online.

    http://snipurl.com/1tgpe

    ---
    Apple's handset pulls the crowds

    Hordes of iPhone fans descended on Apple's flagship Regent Street store
    in London yesterday hoping to be the first to get their hands on the
    much-hyped mobile device.

    The earliest had been queuing since 8am the previous morning, through
    freezing rain. Many had been in line for at least 10 hours.

    When the doors opened at 6.02pm fans ran in to the store between lines
    of cheering staff. They emerged moments later, like Olympic athletes
    crossing the finishing line, brandishing their boxed iPhones in triumph.

    O 2 , the UK's largest mobile phone operator, which secured exclusive
    rights to supply telephone contracts for the iPhone in the UK, said it
    had ordered "hundreds of thousands" of iPhone handsets to meet demand
    over Christmas and into the new year.

    Carolina Milanesi, analyst at Gartner, a consultancy, said between
    350,000 and 400,000 iPhones could be sold in the first two months.

    http://snipurl.com/1tgpg

    So now we have France to add to the mix on November 29th, and they'll be
    selling fully unlocked iPhones, so a total of 650,000 iPhones in 2
    months in Europe will far outweigh what Nokia can do within this class
    of phone.

    So Apple is off to a strong start, it will be the No. 1 phone revenue
    wise / feature wise in Europe within 6 months.

    You can buy one here:

    http://www.iphone.com/

    -



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  2. #2
    Steve de Mena
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    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    Oxford wrote:
    > Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
    > successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.
    >
    > One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
    > the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!


    Looks like you dug around and found the sole UK location (according to
    the articles I read) with any sort of crowd and are using this to
    supposedly represent typical UK reaction...


    >
    > Wow! Just Wow!
    >
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ
    >
    > The press is covering all the big news quite well, only the people
    > scared of the iPhone seem to be upset. Nokia is extremely worried by
    > this event, they can't get anyone to stand in line, much less buy their
    > poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones. Apple has them by
    > the balls and they can't do a thing about it at this point in the game.
    >
    > Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in Germany.


    Wow.

    Steve



  3. #3
    Richard Colton
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    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!


    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected].
    > Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > Poor <drivel snipped>


    Will you **** right off with your cross-posted ****e.

    FU's set to somewhere far more appropriate.

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  4. #4
    Oxford
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    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
    > > successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.
    > >
    > > One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
    > > the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!

    >
    > Looks like you dug around and found the sole UK location (according to
    > the articles I read) with any sort of crowd and are using this to
    > supposedly represent typical UK reaction...


    nope, it was just this first one to come up.

    here is Sky News's take...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGeYfP49s8

    but if you remember, the big lines in the States weren't at AT&T stores
    either, all the fun is at the 200 Apple stores.

    we'll see plenty of videos and pictures as the days progress...

    > > Wow! Just Wow!
    > >
    > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ
    > >
    > > The press is covering all the big news quite well, only the people
    > > scared of the iPhone seem to be upset. Nokia is extremely worried by
    > > this event, they can't get anyone to stand in line, much less buy their
    > > poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones. Apple has them by
    > > the balls and they can't do a thing about it at this point in the game.
    > >
    > > Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in Germany.

    >
    > Wow.
    >
    > Steve


    Yep! Apple has another big hit on their hands... France will be the big
    one in Europe, they are already the most Apple savvy, so having a high
    end Apple phone could send them into a frenzy. Steve flew in yesterday
    (Friday)

    http://www.hardmac.com/news/2007-11-09/#7438

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  5. #5
    Peter Hayes
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    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
    > including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
    > customers already waiting outside.


    Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
    available from 6.02pm?

    The Register summed it up quite nicely, as "a tight-knit group of media
    and PR people got caught in a feedback loop".

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/11/iphone_uk_flop/



    BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
    source code for the Finder. Thanks!

    --

    Immunity is better than innoculation.

    Peter



  6. #6
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    [email protected] (Peter Hayes) wrote:

    > > In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
    > > including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
    > > customers already waiting outside.

    >
    > Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
    > available from 6.02pm?


    noticed that too, not sure since the plan was 6:02pm for everyone.

    > The Register summed it up quite nicely, as "a tight-knit group of media
    > and PR people got caught in a feedback loop".
    >
    > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/11/iphone_uk_flop/


    sure, but except for some cold rain, it turned out to be europe's
    biggest cellphone event ever.

    > BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
    > source code for the Finder. Thanks!


    become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.

    http://developer.apple.com/



  7. #7
    Steve de Mena
    Guest

    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    Oxford wrote:
    > Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
    >>> successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.
    >>>
    >>> One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
    >>> the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!


    >> Looks like you dug around and found the sole UK location (according to
    >> the articles I read) with any sort of crowd and are using this to
    >> supposedly represent typical UK reaction...

    >
    > nope, it was just this first one to come up.
    >
    > here is Sky News's take...
    >
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGeYfP49s8
    >
    > but if you remember, the big lines in the States weren't at AT&T stores
    > either, all the fun is at the 200 Apple stores.


    That second link you posted, the Sky News story - it doesn't show ANY
    people lined up anywhere. It's simply an advance story touting the
    features of the phone.

    So my statement stands, that you found the only place in London that
    had any sort of line.

    BTW, the AT&T store near me, in between two Apple stores (ony blocks
    away) had hundreds of people waiting on launch day.

    Steve



  8. #8
    Steve de Mena
    Guest

    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    Oxford wrote:
    > [email protected] (Peter Hayes) wrote:
    >
    >>> In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
    >>> including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
    >>> customers already waiting outside.

    >> Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
    >> available from 6.02pm?

    >
    > noticed that too, not sure since the plan was 6:02pm for everyone.
    >
    >> The Register summed it up quite nicely, as "a tight-knit group of media
    >> and PR people got caught in a feedback loop".
    >>
    >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/11/iphone_uk_flop/

    >
    > sure, but except for some cold rain, it turned out to be europe's
    > biggest cellphone event ever.
    >
    >> BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
    >> source code for the Finder. Thanks!

    >
    > become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.
    >
    > http://developer.apple.com/


    Yeah, as if the "Finder" source code is there. You can download XCode
    with a bunch of samples, but now the Finder. or can you post the URL
    to the Finder source code? No, you'll tell me how I need to learn to
    solve problems myself (to hide the fact you are full of ****).

    Steve



  9. #9
    Peter Hayes
    Guest

    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

    > [email protected] (Peter Hayes) wrote:
    >
    > > > In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
    > > > including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
    > > > customers already waiting outside.

    > >
    > > Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
    > > available from 6.02pm?

    >
    > noticed that too, not sure since the plan was 6:02pm for everyone.


    Could you post the URL you got the story from? That'll help clear it up.


    > > BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
    > > source code for the Finder. Thanks!

    >
    > become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.
    >
    > http://developer.apple.com/


    I have, years ago, and there's no access to the Finder source.

    So I ask again, where I can download the source code for the Finder?

    --

    Immunity is better than innoculation.

    Peter



  10. #10
    Steve de Mena
    Guest

    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    Peter Hayes wrote:
    > Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> [email protected] (Peter Hayes) wrote:
    >>
    >>>> In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
    >>>> including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
    >>>> customers already waiting outside.
    >>> Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
    >>> available from 6.02pm?

    >> noticed that too, not sure since the plan was 6:02pm for everyone.

    >
    > Could you post the URL you got the story from? That'll help clear it up.


    I thought 6:02pm was for the UK launch only. Get it...6:02...."O2" is
    the carrier.

    In Germany it is T-Mobile, so the "02" part of it makes no sense.



    >>> BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
    >>> source code for the Finder. Thanks!

    >> become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.
    >>
    >> http://developer.apple.com/

    >
    > I have, years ago, and there's no access to the Finder source.
    >
    > So I ask again, where I can download the source code for the Finder?


    Don't bother, he'll just tell you he told you where to get it
    ("developer.apple.com") and you should grow up and learn how to find
    things. On other words, he was just blowing smoke out of his ass.

    Steve



  11. #11
    Peter Hayes
    Guest

    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Peter Hayes wrote:
    > > Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> [email protected] (Peter Hayes) wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>> In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
    > >>>> including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
    > >>>> customers already waiting outside.
    > >>> Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
    > >>> available from 6.02pm?
    > >> noticed that too, not sure since the plan was 6:02pm for everyone.

    > >
    > > Could you post the URL you got the story from? That'll help clear it up.

    >
    > I thought 6:02pm was for the UK launch only. Get it...6:02...."O2" is
    > the carrier.


    Yes, good one, but it could be 00:02 - "just after midnight"...

    > In Germany it is T-Mobile, so the "02" part of it makes no sense.


    One of Oxford's many alter egos, Gene Jones, told the planet that "the
    world's most advanced cell phone hits the shores (sic) on Friday at
    6:02pm within these first 2 countries." [Germany and the UK].

    Message-ID: <[email protected]>

    So unless Oxford comes up with a URL I'll assume the Cologne tale is
    just that, a work of fiction, and he forgot the launch was at 6.02pm.

    > >>> BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
    > >>> source code for the Finder. Thanks!
    > >> become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.
    > >>
    > >> http://developer.apple.com/

    > >
    > > I have, years ago, and there's no access to the Finder source.
    > >
    > > So I ask again, where I can download the source code for the Finder?

    >
    > Don't bother, he'll just tell you he told you where to get it
    > ("developer.apple.com") and you should grow up and learn how to find
    > things. On other words, he was just blowing smoke out of his ass.


    Just as I thought...

    --

    Immunity is better than innoculation.

    Peter



  12. #12
    John Mason
    Guest

    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!


    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected].
    > Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
    > successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.
    >
    > One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
    > the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!
    >
    > Wow! Just Wow!
    >
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ
    >
    > The press is covering all the big news quite well, only the people
    > scared of the iPhone seem to be upset. Nokia is extremely worried by
    > this event, they can't get anyone to stand in line, much less buy their
    > poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones. Apple has them by
    > the balls and they can't do a thing about it at this point in the game.
    >
    > Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in Germany.
    >
    > In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
    > including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
    > customers already waiting outside.
    >
    > By 5 p.m., Deutsche Telekom AG, which owns T-Mobile, said it sold more
    > than 10,000 iPhones in Germany through its shops and online.
    >
    > http://snipurl.com/1tgpe
    >
    > ---
    > Apple's handset pulls the crowds
    >
    > Hordes of iPhone fans descended on Apple's flagship Regent Street store
    > in London yesterday hoping to be the first to get their hands on the
    > much-hyped mobile device.
    >
    > The earliest had been queuing since 8am the previous morning, through
    > freezing rain. Many had been in line for at least 10 hours.
    >
    > When the doors opened at 6.02pm fans ran in to the store between lines
    > of cheering staff. They emerged moments later, like Olympic athletes
    > crossing the finishing line, brandishing their boxed iPhones in triumph.
    >
    > O 2 , the UK's largest mobile phone operator, which secured exclusive
    > rights to supply telephone contracts for the iPhone in the UK, said it
    > had ordered "hundreds of thousands" of iPhone handsets to meet demand
    > over Christmas and into the new year.
    >
    > Carolina Milanesi, analyst at Gartner, a consultancy, said between
    > 350,000 and 400,000 iPhones could be sold in the first two months.
    >
    > http://snipurl.com/1tgpg
    >
    > So now we have France to add to the mix on November 29th, and they'll be
    > selling fully unlocked iPhones, so a total of 650,000 iPhones in 2
    > months in Europe will far outweigh what Nokia can do within this class
    > of phone.
    >
    > So Apple is off to a strong start, it will be the No. 1 phone revenue
    > wise / feature wise in Europe within 6 months.
    >
    > You can buy one here:
    >
    > http://www.iphone.com/
    >
    >


    You say "much less buy their
    poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones"

    OK, lets have a look at the features of the N95 8GB v iPhone

    N95 8GB
    iPhone
    User Replacable Battery Yes No
    3G Yes
    No
    HSDPA Yes
    No
    Camera 5MP
    2MP (I think)
    Video Recorder Yes No
    GPS Yes
    No


    Need I go on? I do however accept that the iPhone has the best user
    interface nut I don't think it will take Nokia and Symbian long to address
    that.

    Perhaps you can explain what other unique features the iPhone has?




  13. #13
    Larry
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    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote in news:4736c352$0
    [email protected]:

    > Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in

    Germany.
    >


    How many phones did Nokia sell in Germany on that day?

    Larry
    --
    You can tell there's extremely
    intelligent life in the universe
    because they have never called Earth.



  14. #14
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote in news:4736e512$0
    [email protected]:

    > BTW, the AT&T store near me, in between two Apple stores (ony

    blocks
    > away) had hundreds of people waiting on launch day.
    >
    >


    The ATT store across from Northwoods Mall in the largest shopping
    district in Charleston, SC, an hour after opening was empty when
    I got there to play with it and ask embarrassing questions about
    what software it would run.

    There was never a line, outside, where the ropes were supposed to
    direct the screaming fans into the queue, according to the
    employees of the sports store next door. 3 or 4 people came up
    just before the doors opened.

    If 200 people line up in front of ATT in NYC, what % is that of
    the metro NYC population of millions? It looks like a lot on the
    webcam, but, by NYC standards, it was miniscule.

    Larry
    --
    You can tell there's extremely
    intelligent life in the universe
    because they have never called Earth.



  15. #15
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

    "John Mason" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > OK, lets have a look at the features of the N95 8GB v iPhone
    >
    > N95 iPhone
    > User Replacable Battery Yes Yes
    > 8GB Yes Yes
    > HSDPA Yes No
    > Camera 5MP 2MP (Better Lens)
    > Video Recorder Yes No
    > GPS Yes No
    > 802.11g Yes Yes
    > Bluetooth Yes Yes
    >
    > Need I go on? I do however accept that the iPhone has the best user
    > interface nut I don't think it will take Nokia and Symbian long to address
    > that.


    Yes, let's go on...

    N95 iPhone
    Multi-Touch Screen No Yes
    iPod No Yes
    Full Web Browser No Yes
    Screen Size 2.6 3.5in
    Screen Rez 153 160ppi
    Battery Life (Talk Time 4HR 8HR
    Price $599 $399

    > Perhaps you can explain what other unique features the iPhone has?


    There are not enough bytes on the planet to go into that much detail.
    But the iPhone is far more technically advanced than the N95. The iPhone
    runs pure Unix, the N95 is stuck with an ancient Symbian OS. The iPhone
    has a much better touch screen, has multi-touch which takes the N95 out
    of the running right there for savvy tech people...

    Syncing is much more developed on the iPhone. It has a true iPod, not a
    cheap MP3 player. A true FULL Screen Browser, not a baby browser like
    the N95. Far better interface, the N95 seems clunky and poorly thought
    out, not so with the iPhone. Super simple, super powerful. FULL email,
    not baby email like on the N95.

    Far better resell value in 2-5 years, nearly double since it's a better
    designed, and Apple quality level product. The N95 will be a throwaway
    in 3-5 years time. The iPhone will still be worth $200-$250 in the
    general market.

    On and on. The N95 is a fool's choice, (see Mark Crispin) it's just not
    a product a serious tech person would ever consider, the specs just
    don't measure up to the iPhone.

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