N800/N810

Sorry - this isn't a Cell Nokia question or device.
The only Nokia Mobile Group I can find looks like it is in Polish! Is there
a better group to post this to?
Thanks
But, if anyone is so inclined to help me out here... ( :
I am looking at the N800 or N810 to use with this
http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05...782&t_mode=des BlueTooth
receiver.
Way Too Many Questions!! This setup is primarily for snowmobiling.
Questions:
1. Can/do either take GPS input via a BlueTooth device
2. If I get the N810 can I easily disable the built in GPS receiver (as the
one above is Much More sensitive)
3. For both: Linux GPS Programs that work on these
a) can any record Tracks/BreadCrumbs or what ever it would be called: That
is record, say once a second where you are for later use and for back
tracking. Any if so, how many BreadCrumbs? 75000 to 100,000 would be Nice!
b) If so, can the recorded data be exported to a Garmin format
c) create your own routes
d) show you current position, and when stopped does not just 'jitter'
around. Maybe a North up setting or such
e) any chance Garmin's nRoute works on this? (Doubt it - I don;t see a
Linux version)
4. I read there is no sleep mode, which I would not want, but I would want
to power down the display, wifi and other devices not needed to record the
GPS info when it is in my pocket while riding.
5. What in my ignorance am I not asking? : )
Thanks

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Chull wrote:
> Sorry - this isn't a Cell Nokia question or device.
> The only Nokia Mobile Group I can find looks like it is in Polish! Is there
> a better group to post this to?

the only one I can think of is comp.sys.handhelds

> Thanks
> But, if anyone is so inclined to help me out here... ( :
> I am looking at the N800 or N810 to use with this
> http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05...782&t_mode=des BlueTooth
> receiver.
> Way Too Many Questions!! This setup is primarily for snowmobiling.
> Questions:
> 1. Can/do either take GPS input via a BlueTooth device

N800 can use a BT GPS, N810 has integrated GPS, but you can use external
receiver as well. They basically share same OS.

> 2. If I get the N810 can I easily disable the built in GPS receiver (as the
> one above is Much More sensitive)

Yes.

> 3. For both: Linux GPS Programs that work on these
> a) can any record Tracks/BreadCrumbs or what ever it would be called: That
> is record, say once a second where you are for later use and for back
> tracking. Any if so, how many BreadCrumbs? 75000 to 100,000 would be Nice!
> b) If so, can the recorded data be exported to a Garmin format


Not using standard software. But you could try using gpsd and some
scripting, I'd say.

> c) create your own routes

Using Nokia's Maps it should be possible. It should also be possibile
using Maemo Mapper.

> d) show you current position, and when stopped does not just 'jitter'
> around. Maybe a North up setting or such
> e) any chance Garmin's nRoute works on this? (Doubt it - I don;t see a
> Linux version)

indeed

> 4. I read there is no sleep mode, which I would not want, but I would want
> to power down the display, wifi and other devices not needed to record the
> GPS info when it is in my pocket while riding.

LCD will power down after a configurable amount of time. And you can
switch off WiFi. But you have to keep BT enabled, unless you are not
using internal GPS.

> 5. What in my ignorance am I not asking? : )

Something I don't know

> Thanks
>
>
>

Cheers
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"Chull" <[email protected] Needed.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Questions:
> 1. Can/do either take GPS input via a BlueTooth device

I have the N800 with Nokia's GPS Navigation Kit and Maemo Mapper.

Both will use an external GPS. The Nokia LD-3W can be bought without
the software and tablet mounting kit for around $100. The GPS you're
looking at ISN'T any more sensitive or faster or anything else. It's
really uncanny how it can listen to the satellite REFLECTIONS and lock
onto a signal UNDER A METAL ROOF that blocks them. Of course, this
causes massive phase/path distortion making the fix off by from 5' to
30', depending on how long the path is. The little rechargeable "puck"
is tiny. You can't feel it in your pocket walking around navigating in
walking or bike modes. It's FAR more sensitive than any of my marine
nav units or handheld dedicated GPS receivers.

> 2. If I get the N810 can I easily disable the built in GPS receiver
> (as the one above is Much More sensitive)

Yes, but I can't imagine why. The internal 810 GPS is the same chipset
as the LD-3W and extremely sensitive. Both, by the way, are WAAS
satellite differential correction. Either will put your car in the
EXACT parking space it's parked in on Maemo Mapper using Virtual Earth's
composite street/satellite data, unless you're in a parking garage
making it have more phase problems to solve.

> 3. For both: Linux GPS Programs that work on these
> a) can any record Tracks/BreadCrumbs or what ever it would be
> called: That
> is record, say once a second where you are for later use and for back
> tracking. Any if so, how many BreadCrumbs? 75000 to 100,000 would be
> Nice!

I've never found out how long the track can be on Maemo Mapper. I've
never found it. The maps get full or redlines LONG before that would
happen. If you're looking for a bread trail program, Maemo Mapper is
superb....not to mention free!

> b) If so, can the recorded data be exported to a Garmin format

No. Garmin is proprietary and will sue anyone using it....a great
reason to stay away from Garmin, eh?

> c) create your own routes

For routing, Wayfinder is better. You can make your own routes for
Maemo Mapper, but what would be the point. Let Wayfinder find the best
route (fastest or shortest, selectable) and if you don't like it, just
deviate from that route and Wayfinder will create another one, on-the-
fly, from your deviation....just like the $800 GPS gadgets garmin sells.

> d) show you current position, and when stopped does not just
> 'jitter'
> around. Maybe a North up setting or such
> e) any chance Garmin's nRoute works on this? (Doubt it - I don;t see
> a
> Linux version)

Both apps stop dead, only rotating the display if there's a reflection
the GPS, ANY GPS, will think we've moved off in another direction. If
you have DIRECT view of the birds, from the LD-3W sitting in the
windscreen on the dash, and we're not in a NYC building canyon making
reflections awful, it stops dead and stays there. You may select N up
or Autorotate. Maemo Mapper has two different moving update modes,
"lead" where the display leads your movement, or centered in lat/long
mode. Wayfinder has a great 3-D mode that gives you a display of
streets (no sat photos) as if you are flying above and behind your car
in a plane looking in the direction the car is moving, that rotates as
you turn. Wayfinder also autozooms against speed...zooming out as speed
increases to let you see further ahead, then zooming in as you stop to
display the corner you are stopped at for easy viewing of turns....in
addition to several voices in MANY languages talking you through all
turns in a route, without becoming a nuisance chattering away. The
English man's voice says, sometimes, "There! That wasn't so bad, was
it?" as you get to your destination...very funny..(c; If you're taking
your Jewish friends for a ride, switch to Arabic instructions and watch
their faces when Ahmed starts talking from the tablet...(c;

> 4. I read there is no sleep mode, which I would not want, but I would
> want to power down the display, wifi and other devices not needed to
> record the GPS info when it is in my pocket while riding.
> 5. What in my ignorance am I not asking? : )
>

Done. You DISCONNECT from the internet connection and it shuts down the
transceiver. You can shut down Bluetooth's transceiver, manually, but
you'll lose Maemo Mapper's automatic map/sat photo loading through your
BT DUN SELLphone link and run out of maps on a trip. Just plug the
tablet into 12V using the SAME power cord the LD-3W GPS receiver uses to
charge its battery. You can charge either device off the same
cords...AC or DC. The tablet's power hog is the LCD display backlight
running full brightness so you can see it in the daylight. Leave the
tablet plugged into the 12V cord and let the GPS run all day on its own
rechargeable battery. It will run a couple of days on a charge, but I
just plug mine into the 12V cord at night to recharge on a trip. It
won't kill a car battery. You can leave all the tablet's stuff running
continuously plugged into the car. No need to worry about it...and
arrive FULLY CHARGED for more fun and games at your destination while
the GPS is recharging. No need to sleep at all!

I'd like to end with telling you the N800 and LD-3W GPS SEPARATE units
is a much better deal. Operationally, it makes more sense because you
don't need to worry if the tablet-with-the-internal-GPS has a view of
the sky. The N800 will STILL get GPS data over Bluetooth INSIDE a
restaurant from the LD-3W out in the car parked out front! No need to
carry a GPS chipset around all the time, loading the tablet battery
pack. Besides, the N800 has FRONT SPEAKERS. They're not too loud, to
save battery I suppose, but FRONT speakers are much better than N810
speakers in little holes like a SELLphone speaker. The N800 can mount
anywhere. If you're going walking or biking, you can put the LD-3W in
any pocket you don't sit on and it works great. A watch pocket in blue
jeans is a great place to carry the little GPS puck. The separate units
make more sense, no matter how cute N810 is. N800's OS2007 operating
system is also less intense on memory than OS2008. I upgraded to
OS2008, but missed some of the other software that has yet to be ported
to OS2008, so reflashed the tablet back to OS2007 and reloaded all the
OS2007 software I liked. 2007 just uses less internal memory, so far.
You can't flash 2007 into the N810 because of the keyboard drivers and
other new stuff. I also like the REAL Nokia BT folding keyboard MUCH
better than a thumb keyboard because I'm a TYPIST, as you can see my
this message. Typing on the N810 sucks just like a blackberry or PDA
keyboard with your thumbs. Useless but cutesy.

Love my tablet. Never go anywhere without it, now.....(c; Don't
hesitate to buy one, even if you're not a Linux guy. There's still lots
of very-easy-to-install-and-use software for the simple user to play
with. Damned thing is awful addictive. My laptop hardly leaves home
any more!

Thank you both for the info.

Larry as to makeing my own Routes vs the software doing it:
Well - I don't think there is a commercial unit yet that knows the
snowmobile routes! : ) espcially as they change from year to year.

You 2 gave me Lots of great info. I will have to re-read a few times to
digest it all - Thanks!!

"Chull" <[email protected] Needed.com> wrote in news:4790ce5b$0
[email protected]:

> Thank you both for the info.
>
> Larry as to makeing my own Routes vs the software doing it:
> Well - I don't think there is a commercial unit yet that knows the
> snowmobile routes! : ) espcially as they change from year to year.
>
> You 2 gave me Lots of great info. I will have to re-read a few times to
> digest it all - Thanks!!
>
>
>

Maemo Mapper would be GREAT for the Snowmobiles, just like it is for yachts
cruising the Intercoastal Waterway. Connect it to Virtual Earth
Satellite/road composite, so it will show you the upcoming roads to cross,
and you can see EVERY TREE over your path! With the overhead view of the
entire woodlands, from before the snow covered up all the bogs, wetlands,
etc. that would be a disaster with that expensive machine sinking into the
muck, it will be invaluable! The massive suction cup force mount WILL hold
the tablet FIRMLY to the Snowmobile's little windshield, especially if you
put a tiny bit of veggie oil on it to get a good hydraulic lock to clean
plexiglas. It holds firmly in a runabout boat, too.

Snow.....geez.....Now I'm COLD! I live in coastal SC...It's cold today,
51F at the moment....Brrr.....(c;

BTW, I was born and raised in Moravia, NY on the S end of Owasco Lake.
When I was a kid, it froze over so hard we drove the town's snowplow out on
the lake to clean off a racetrack for the local dragsters.....but no more.

Global Warming - Bad for energy companies and waterfront
millionaires....GREAT for the REST OF US!

Man it's cold in Rochester....oh, oh, is that Rochester NY or MN?? I
forgot about MN....??

Hey we ride out of Morivia often.
Our 1 good ride sofar this years was out of there. Up to Auburn and back!
Nice.
I live in Interlaken about 60 miles from Rochester and my buddy in Lansing.
So - I would need to downlad those maps before we go as there rarely would
be any `net connection.
Global warming is SUPPOSE to give us More snow here!! Where is it!!
I plan on caring the N800 inside my coat and have the gps dongle mounted on
the inadequte windshied.

I went to collage in Colunbia SC - Long Long time ago.

Another question about the N800.
Is it still limitied to 8 gb SD cards? or can it use the 16gb?
Thanks

"Chull" <[email protected] Needed.com> wrote in news:4791507c$0
[email protected]:

> Another question about the N800.
> Is it still limitied to 8 gb SD cards? or can it use the 16gb?
> Thanks
>
>

Where are you getting 16GB SDHC cards? Now you have MY attention....(c;

It supports them all....even in FAT32 mode the phones don't. No
reformatting of any standard FAT32 card is necessary to mount it....

OS2007's latest version and OS2008 on the N810 supports them all.

http://www.meritline.com/a-data-16gb...lash-card.html
> Where are you getting 16GB SDHC cards? Now you have MY attention....(c;


I have No Idea how real they are.
I know that for awhile there were CF cards being sold that we a whole lot
less that what the sellers said they were.

Or what about 32gb?
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/sdhc ( :
> Where are you getting 16GB SDHC cards? Now you have MY attention....(c;

"Chull" <[email protected] Needed.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I have No Idea how real they are.
> I know that for awhile there were CF cards being sold that we a
> whole lot
> less that what the sellers said they were.
>
>
>

I've only seen 8GB SDHC Class 6 cards. That's why I got all excited...(c;

William Maddler wrote:
> Chull wrote:
>> Sorry - this isn't a Cell Nokia question or device.
>> The only Nokia Mobile Group I can find looks like it is in Polish! Is
>> there a better group to post this to?
>
> the only one I can think of is comp.sys.handhelds
>
>> Thanks
>> But, if anyone is so inclined to help me out here... ( :
>> I am looking at the N800 or N810 to use with this
>> http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05...782&t_mode=des BlueTooth
>> receiver.
>> Way Too Many Questions!! This setup is primarily for snowmobiling.
>> Questions:
>> 1. Can/do either take GPS input via a BlueTooth device
>
> N800 can use a BT GPS, N810 has integrated GPS, but you can use external
> receiver as well. They basically share same OS.

Just found that you can use on board GPS on N810 and Maemo Mapper
This way you can also disable BT, in order to lower power consumption


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Visit my blog at http://www.eth0.it
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