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  1. #16
    Oxford
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    Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    In article <[email protected]>, "RBM" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > > Hmm... are you next going to tell us that Microsoft earned 90+% of the
    > > desktop OS market business by developing a product the majority of
    > > computer users want?
    > >

    > Nope,only that it was preferred over anything anyone else had


    i don't think anyone ever "preferred" microsoft products, it was more
    "they had little choice".



    See More: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone




  2. #17
    The Bob
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    Re: Free AIM Client Spotted on App Store was Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    Oxford <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in news:apony-
    [email protected]:

    > 4phun <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Jul 1, 1:42*pm, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> > Just posted, the new Tour of the 3G iPhone!
    >> >
    >> > http://www.apple.com/iphone/guidedtour/
    >> >
    >> > http://www.apple.com/iphone/
    >> >
    >> > Enjoy!

    >>
    >> posted by arn on Tuesday July 01, 2008 01:34 PM
    >>
    >> Another iPhone FREEBIE
    >>
    >> A sharp individual spotted the AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) client on
    >> the App Store during the Guided Tour posted today.
    >>
    >> The AIM client will provide iChat compatible instant messaging for the
    >> iPhone and iPod Touch. AOL first demoed the app during the original
    >> iPhone SDK launch event, but have made no further announcements since
    >> that time.

    >
    > yep! basically, anything people still want will appear on the iPhone in
    > 10 Days! Things like Video Recording,


    BNot on the 3g iPhone

    > MMS,


    Old technology

    > TV Remotes, Garage Door
    > Openers, Bar Code Scanning are all coming to the iPhone.


    You forgot the Swiss Army Knife and taser included in the deluxe model.

    >
    > It's going to freak a lot of the competitors out since they can't have
    > easy app installation like the iPhone has. 4,000 apps by the touch of a
    > finger, sweet...


    Yeah- they just build phones that need the Apple workarounds. How dare
    they?

    >





  3. #18
    The Bob
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    Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    Oxford <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
    news:apony-AD6376.21170801072008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level
    3.net:

    > In article <[email protected]>, "RBM" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> > Hmm... are you next going to tell us that Microsoft earned 90+% of
    >> > the desktop OS market business by developing a product the majority
    >> > of computer users want?
    >> >

    >> Nope,only that it was preferred over anything anyone else had

    >
    > i don't think


    And there is the most accurate statement to date.



  4. #19
    Oxford
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    Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > nah, it will follow the ipod sales phenomenon that started in year 3,
    > > it has 0.8& now, 40% in year 3, just watch...

    >
    > Oh, little stupid one. How can you compare a product in an emerging
    > market with one in a very mature market?


    the smartphone market is just emerging, all other cell phones will end
    up like the sony walkman, just watch what apple will do to this poorly
    performing market. all the competitors are extremely weak, apple will
    shred them...

    > > the 4,000 software apps
    > > for the iphone will make it off the charts popular...

    >
    > Nope. 3000 of them will be calendar addons and SMS tools. Toys for the
    > toy.


    not from the lists i've seen... most are high end like medical imaging,
    scientific apps, complex web apps, on and on.

    > > and when did steve ever say: "changing the way wireless companies do
    > > business," ???

    >
    > When the original iPhone was announced, along with the now extinct
    > revenue sharing.


    link please, otherwise you are lying...

    > >> > and if you noticed, today AT&T said they will soon sell iPhones
    > >> > with no contract so that opens the door wide open for T-Mobile
    > >> > people wanting to move up to an iPhone.
    > >>
    > >> Yeah- for $600 to start. I'm sure folks will be beating down the
    > >> doors at that price. Not.

    > >
    > > plenty of people will pay $600, my 4GB iPhone is still worth exactly
    > > what I paid for it a year later.

    >
    > Not according to Ebay.


    further proof you are wrong:

    http://snipurl.com/2sgv5 [4gb_iphone_search-completed_ebay_com]
    >
    > > Buying quality is the way to go when
    > > buying electronics.

    >
    > So when are you going to start?


    i've always done that, the question is when are you going to wise up?



  5. #20
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > i've never been a fanboy, just a provider of good news... watch the Tour!

    >
    > Always been a fanboi - a blind, rabid one - the worst kind.
    >
    > And you have also been wrong.


    nope!

    > Remember your offhand dismissal of 3G? The stupid comments you made?
    > Now that it's actually IN an iPhone - I guess you must be eating those
    > words...


    what? 3G still sucks the life out of your battery for no real gain since
    most people will use WiFi 90% of the time. The exciting thing about july
    11th is the App Store not the 3G phone.

    > Then, your insipid wi-fi assertions. Months later, proven to be utterly
    > wrong.


    I was never prove wrong, WiFi is more open and free now more than ever,
    just as I predicted.

    > Your blather about RIM, Nokia and others. Still wrong for the most part.
    >
    > Bottom line - FANBOY!!!


    nah, I'll never be a fanboy, just a proponent of "quality" products no
    matter what the brand.



  6. #21
    The Bob
    Guest

    Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    Oxford <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
    news:apony-E015D5.21325001072008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level
    3.net:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > i've never been a fanboy, just a provider of good news... watch the
    >> > Tour!

    >>
    >> Always been a fanboi - a blind, rabid one - the worst kind.
    >>
    >> And you have also been wrong.

    >
    > nope!
    >
    >> Remember your offhand dismissal of 3G? The stupid comments you made?
    >> Now that it's actually IN an iPhone - I guess you must be eating
    >> those words...

    >
    > what? 3G still sucks the life out of your battery for no real gain
    > since most people will use WiFi 90% of the time. The exciting thing
    > about july 11th is the App Store not the 3G phone.
    >
    >> Then, your insipid wi-fi assertions. Months later, proven to be
    >> utterly wrong.

    >
    > I was never prove wrong, WiFi is more open and free now more than
    > ever, just as I predicted.


    Proof?

    >
    >> Your blather about RIM, Nokia and others. Still wrong for the most
    >> part.
    >>
    >> Bottom line - FANBOY!!!

    >
    > nah, I'll never be a fanboy, just a proponent of "quality" products no
    > matter what the brand.
    >


    Now that was funny.



  7. #22
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: Free AIM Client Spotted on App Store was Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    In article <[email protected]>,
    The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >> The AIM client will provide iChat compatible instant messaging for the
    > >> iPhone and iPod Touch. AOL first demoed the app during the original
    > >> iPhone SDK launch event, but have made no further announcements since
    > >> that time.

    > >
    > > yep! basically, anything people still want will appear on the iPhone in
    > > 10 Days! Things like Video Recording,

    >
    > BNot on the 3g iPhone


    sure they will, both 2 & 3G iphones will have it.

    > > MMS,

    >
    > Old technology


    i agree, but the iphones will have it within the first few days for
    those who want it.

    > > TV Remotes, Garage Door
    > > Openers, Bar Code Scanning are all coming to the iPhone.

    >
    > You forgot the Swiss Army Knife and taser included in the deluxe model.


    no knives, but there are now iphone flash lights

    > > It's going to freak a lot of the competitors out since they can't have
    > > easy app installation like the iPhone has. 4,000 apps by the touch of a
    > > finger, sweet...

    >
    > Yeah- they just build phones that need the Apple workarounds. How dare
    > they?


    ??? not sure what you mean? apple just builds the solid foundation,
    everyone else builds the rest...



  8. #23
    BruceR
    Guest

    Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone


    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:apony-E015D5.21325001072008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Your blather about RIM, Nokia and others. Still wrong for the most
    part.
    >>
    >> Bottom line - FANBOY!!!

    >
    > nah, I'll never be a fanboy, just a proponent of "quality" products no
    > matter what the brand.


    Oxford, anybody who is as evangelical about a phone as you are and is
    not employed by its manufacturer is, by definition, a fanboy. We are
    all thrilled that you are a happy apple customer and loyal to their
    product du jour, but haven't you gotten the message from these posts
    that many disagree? And if we/they do disagree, why do you care? Again,
    only a company employee or a fanboy would care - and even a company
    employee would appreciate that it takes a wide variety of products to
    serve any given market - ONLY a fanboy would be so arrogant as to think
    that the whole world. Apple is a bit unique in thinking their way is
    the only way but perhaps - just perhaps - that's why they maintain their
    low single digit market share.





  9. #24
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
    On 2008-07-01, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

    > and if you noticed, today AT&T said they will soon sell iPhones with no
    > contract so that opens the door wide open for T-Mobile people wanting to
    > move up to an iPhone.


    AT&T, then SBC and previously Ohio Bell/Ameritech, screwed me over on
    DSL and dialtone a few years ago, requiring me to file a complaint
    with the Ohio PUC before they'd refund $200 in charges on broken phone
    and DSL service that they failed to fix for two months. Or at least
    they tried. They did not succeed - the PUC saw to that.

    As a result, Satan will be selling Sno-Cones in Hell before I spend another
    penny on anything they offer.

    So, I really don't care what they're selling. I'm not buying.

    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
    Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol




  10. #25
    RBM
    Guest

    Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone


    "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > RBM wrote on [Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:23:48 -0400]:
    >>
    >> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> ...and your reason for posting this to the T-Mobile (and other non-ATT)
    >>>> groups is? I know this may be difficult for you to understand, but
    >>>> those
    >>>> of us who are happy with their non-ATT carriers just don't care about
    >>>> the iphone.
    >>>
    >>> ah, within a few years, 60% of the population will have an iPhone so
    >>> it's good to let people start learning about them now.
    >>>
    >>> and if you noticed, today AT&T said they will soon sell iPhones with no
    >>> contract so that opens the door wide open for T-Mobile people wanting to
    >>> move up to an iPhone.
    >>>
    >>> so sit back, watch the tour and enjoy a glimpse into your future!
    >>>
    >>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/guidedtour/tour/large.html
    >>>
    >>> (or for slower connections, you can fully download or choose a smaller
    >>> sized version of the tour here)
    >>>
    >>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/guidedtour/
    >>>

    >>
    >> Personally, I'd be happy as a clam if Apple earned 60% of the cell phone
    >> business, but, if they do, it'll be because they've developed a product
    >> that

    >
    > Screw that, Apple would be tyrannical with a market share like that


    I think you have it wrong. It's partially their tyrannical attitude that
    prevents them from gaining market share. Possibly, if they lost the
    attitude, the tyranny, and the smarmy little piss ants like Oxford and
    company, they'd do much better





  11. #26
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    In article <[email protected]>, "RBM" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > >> Personally, I'd be happy as a clam if Apple earned 60% of the cell phone
    > >> business, but, if they do, it'll be because they've developed a product
    > >> that

    > >
    > > Screw that, Apple would be tyrannical with a market share like that

    >
    > I think you have it wrong. It's partially their tyrannical attitude that
    > prevents them from gaining market share. Possibly, if they lost the
    > attitude, the tyranny, and the smarmy little piss ants like Oxford and
    > company, they'd do much better


    actually, it's that tyrannical drive for perfection which produces such
    fine products. customers love perfect products and that's why the ipod
    holds 70% of the music player market, and why 57% of Japanese smartphone
    shoppers want an iPhone.

    http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...02/154237/?P=1

    the only people that don't like the zeal towards "perfection" are
    competitors... isn't that interesting.



  12. #27
    BruceR
    Guest

    Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone


    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:apony-F1AFBE.15323302072008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net...
    > In article <[email protected]>, "RBM" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:


    >>
    >> I think you have it wrong. It's partially their tyrannical attitude
    >> that
    >> prevents them from gaining market share. Possibly, if they lost the
    >> attitude, the tyranny, and the smarmy little piss ants like Oxford
    >> and
    >> company, they'd do much better

    >
    > actually, it's that tyrannical drive for perfection which produces
    > such
    > fine products. customers love perfect products and that's why the ipod
    > holds 70% of the music player market, and why 57% of Japanese
    > smartphone
    > shoppers want an iPhone.
    >
    > http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...02/154237/?P=1
    >
    > the only people that don't like the zeal towards "perfection" are
    > competitors... isn't that interesting.


    Apple is FAR from perfection. They couldn't even repair an iPOD that was
    returned to them 3 times under warranty because they couldn't understand
    or wouldn't admit what the problem was (fairly simple, it wouldn't hold
    a charge). That was my one and only horrific experience with Apple. I
    wouldn't DARE try again. Believe it or not fanboy, other manufacturers
    make damn good products that are easy to use and reliable and, if
    customer service IS needed, they actually fix the problem right the
    first time! Example, the Delete key fell off my Sony laptop's keyboard.
    I brought into Sony's repair depot and they fitted it with a whole new
    keyboard and had me on my way in under 30 minutes. Try that with an
    Apple!





  13. #28
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: Free AIM Client Spotted on App Store was Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    In article <[email protected]>,
    The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > i agree, but the iphones will have it within the first few days for
    > > those who want it.

    >
    > Then you openly admit that the iPhone is struggling to catch up to the
    > competition in terms of functionality. That's all I needed to hear.


    the iphone has never struggled, but it is the strongest "new kid" on the
    block so it takes a year or so to fill out the application base. the
    iphone will soon have more quality apps than any other cell phone, only
    8 days away!

    > >> > TV Remotes, Garage Door
    > >> > Openers, Bar Code Scanning are all coming to the iPhone.
    > >>
    > >> You forgot the Swiss Army Knife and taser included in the deluxe
    > >> model.

    > >
    > > no knives, but there are now iphone flash lights
    > >
    > >> > It's going to freak a lot of the competitors out since they can't
    > >> > have easy app installation like the iPhone has. 4,000 apps by the
    > >> > touch of a finger, sweet...
    > >>
    > >> Yeah- they just build phones that need the Apple workarounds. How
    > >> dare they?

    > >
    > > ??? not sure what you mean? apple just builds the solid foundation,
    > > everyone else builds the rest...
    > >

    >
    > No- a solid foundation would include functionality that is standard on even
    > the most basic cell phones. The iPhone misses on this.


    but not in 8 days it won't... sounds like you are falling further
    behind, watch the iPhone 2.0 tour, it will freak you out...

    http://www.apple.com/iphone/guidedto...new/large.html

    -



  14. #29
    The Bob
    Guest

    Re: Free AIM Client Spotted on App Store was Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    Oxford <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
    news:[email protected]:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > i agree, but the iphones will have it within the first few days for
    >> > those who want it.

    >>
    >> Then you openly admit that the iPhone is struggling to catch up to
    >> the competition in terms of functionality. That's all I needed to
    >> hear.

    >
    > the iphone has never struggled,


    Sure it has. No voice dialing and no swappable memory are just two of
    the most basic features available on most basic phones these days that
    are lacking on the iPhone.


    > but it is the strongest "new kid" on
    > the block


    No- they are simply the loudest.

    > so it takes a year or so to fill out the application base.
    > the iphone will soon have more quality apps than any other cell phone,
    > only 8 days away!


    No, it doesn't if you put a generally accepted platform on your phone.
    Build a new Symbian or WinMobile phone and there are thousands of apps
    already at yoru users' disposal.


    >
    >> >> > TV Remotes, Garage Door
    >> >> > Openers, Bar Code Scanning are all coming to the iPhone.
    >> >>
    >> >> You forgot the Swiss Army Knife and taser included in the deluxe
    >> >> model.
    >> >
    >> > no knives, but there are now iphone flash lights
    >> >
    >> >> > It's going to freak a lot of the competitors out since they
    >> >> > can't have easy app installation like the iPhone has. 4,000 apps
    >> >> > by the touch of a finger, sweet...
    >> >>
    >> >> Yeah- they just build phones that need the Apple workarounds. How
    >> >> dare they?
    >> >
    >> > ??? not sure what you mean? apple just builds the solid foundation,
    >> > everyone else builds the rest...
    >> >

    >>
    >> No- a solid foundation would include functionality that is standard
    >> on even the most basic cell phones. The iPhone misses on this.

    >
    > but not in 8 days it won't... sounds like you are falling further
    > behind, watch the iPhone 2.0 tour, it will freak you out...
    >


    Even in 8 days. Stereo bluetooth says hello.



  15. #30
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: Apple's New Guided Tour of 3G iPhone

    Jim Mason <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > Just posted, the new Tour of the 3G iPhone!

    >
    > The relevance to alt.cellular.nokia being?


    i have an engineering friend at nokia and she likes to keep abreast of
    what the future will bring to her company.

    so you can enjoy it too! well worth watching!

    http://www.apple.com/iphone/guidedto...new/large.html

    8 days to go!!!!

    http://www.apple.com/iphone/buy/



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