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  1. #1
    Mark Crispin
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    Hello Oxford, I see that you are using a new pen name.

    On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, David Moyer posted:
    > - Sound is much improved. "In fact, few cellphones sound this good."


    Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless
    and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have
    used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had better sound quality.

    > - "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
    > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
    > example."


    Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just
    about every user of a cell phone in Japan.

    > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS


    Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.

    > - "the really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store


    Golly gee, just like what people on all other phones have had for many
    years. Too bad it is crippled like Verizon's GetItNow, instead of being
    open the way it is on Windows Mobile and any Java phone.

    > - "it mostly keeps its promises."


    Golly gee, "mostly"? Talk about damning with faint praise.

    > - Battery drained much more quickly using 3G, as expected


    Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
    3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
    lasts longer in 3G.

    > - Data speeds 3-5x faster than original iPhone


    Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless
    and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have
    used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had faster data speeds.

    > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing


    Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.

    > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
    > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
    > older iPhone."


    Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
    iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.

    -- Mark --

    http://panda.com/mrc
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
    Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.



    See More: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!




  2. #2
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

    In article <[email protected]>, Mark
    Crispin <mrc[email protected]> wrote:

    > > - "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
    > > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
    > > example."

    >
    > Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just
    > about every user of a cell phone in Japan.


    tomtom announced their software, and it would be surprising if it
    didn't do turn by turn.

    > > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS

    >
    > Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.


    three of those have been announced already.

    > > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing

    >
    > Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.


    you already pointed those out, and other than the stereo bluetooth,
    they exist or will exist.

    > > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
    > > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
    > > older iPhone."

    >
    > Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
    > iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.


    there are extended batteries available. most people only have one
    battery with their cellphones, so in the grand scheme of things, it's
    not a big deal that the battery can't be swapped on the fly. of
    course, for someone who needs extended periods of battery use, then the
    iphone might not be the best choice.



  3. #3
    David G. Imber
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    Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

    On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:26:44 -0700, Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
    >3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
    >lasts longer in 3G.


    I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post,
    but I'd like to ask about your phone.

    I ask because I'm taking the iPhone seriously, but I'm not an
    Apple fan or anything like that. I'm taking it seriously because it is
    the only phone available to me here in NYC, to the best of my
    knowledge, that will finally allow me to access and input data in
    Japanese.

    I've been investigating Palm, Win Mob, RIM devices for ages
    now, and it's been totally frustrating.

    May I ask both where you're posting from and what
    instrument/network you're using?

    DGI




  4. #4
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

    David G. Imber <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > that will finally allow me to access and input data in
    > Japanese.
    >


    http://gjiten.garage.maemo.org/

    It's not a phone, per se, but it bluetooths to phones and makes emails and
    calls via Skype (to Japan for free).

    See the webpage for japanese support, which installs at a single click,
    with many other script languages.

    Maemo is Linux and Linux supports Japanese very well.

    Nokia N800/N810/N810 Wimax






  5. #5
    Mark Crispin
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    Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

    On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, David G. Imber posted:
    > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:26:44 -0700, Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
    >> 3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
    >> lasts longer in 3G.

    > I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post,
    > but I'd like to ask about your phone.


    Check out the Japanese Phone section of howardforums and you'll find lots
    of people talking about keitais (phones from Japan). Probably lots more
    than you ever wanted to know.

    You can certainly get access and input data in Japanese on a Windows
    Mobile phone; it's just a matter of software.

    One of my keitais is a SoftBank X01HT (basically, an HTC Hermes branded
    for SoftBank). After unlocking it, I used it with my Verizon SIM (yes,
    there is such a thing!) to roam in Japan as a Verizon user. [Of course, I
    also used domestic service in Japan -- nobody in their right mind pays
    $2.50/minute roaming charges for routine calls!]

    Later on, I got tired of the Japanese-only OS. The only thing worse that
    Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese; I can
    read it and in fact still have the Japanese OS on my laptop, but I don't
    want to deal with Microsoft-perverted Japanese on a phone!

    To fix that, I found xda-developers.com to be an invaluable resource
    http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index...ame=HTC_Hermes
    and especially
    http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298919
    which not only details how to change a Japanese OS WM device into English
    OS (and WM6), it also discusses how to add Japanese support to the English
    OS (which is what you want).

    Following those instructions, I ended up with a Japanese WM device that
    talks to me in English, but is still quite capable of handling Japanese
    text.

    Many of SoftBank's and NTT DoCoMo's models are bilingual Japanese/English,
    and there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay. If you don't
    need anything fancy and just want Japanese support, I suggest getting one
    of the basic models such as an 812SH.

    However, if you need 3G in the USA, you probably will have to get a
    Windows Mobile device since most of the non-WM keitais are 3G in the 2100
    band and GSM-only in the US bands.

    Be sure that it is unlockable in software. This is the case on the
    Windows Mobile devices, but many other keitais require you to use a
    HyperSIM which is at best a half-solution. Read the threads on
    howardforums to learn all about HyperSIM & such.

    The iPhone will give you Japanese language capability out of the box
    without playing games, so it may be a good choice for you if you don't
    feel like hacking.

    I can't give you much advice about using Japanese with Blackberry, at
    least not yet.

    You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
    capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone. If you want a
    full-featured smartphone, go with WM. If you want a basic phone, consider
    one of the keitais.

    I would wait awhile before trying to use an iPhone in heavy-duty
    enterprise type applications. They did add Exchange support in 2.0, but
    the Mail client is still not quite up to speed. Maybe 3.0 or 4.0 will be
    better. RIM is, and will remain for some time, the 500 pound gorilla in
    this sector. Note that RIM has a Blackberry application for Windows
    Mobile, so if you are in an office that standardized on Blackberry, you
    can get a WM keitai and install the Blackberry service on it and be good
    to go.

    > May I ask both where you're posting from and what
    > instrument/network you're using?


    Right now, I'm in the Seattle area. I am also to be found at times in
    rural Alaska or Japan.

    I use Verizon in Seattle (with a Motorola Z6C dual CDMA/GSM world phone),
    and AT&T in Alaska (with the X01HT). When I'm in Japan, I use the X01HT
    with my Verizon SIM to roam with my US service, and a regular keitai with
    domestic service.

    -- Mark --

    http://panda.com/mrc
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
    Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.



  6. #6
    David Moyer
    Guest

    Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

    Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
    > > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
    > > older iPhone."

    >
    > Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
    > iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.


    sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.

    http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html

    or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.

    http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack

    geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.



  7. #7
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

    At 09 Jul 2008 20:12:45 -0600 David Moyer wrote:

    > > Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery

    on
    > > iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.

    >
    > sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.
    >
    > http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html



    ....and they said you can't tether an iPhone!

    > or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
    >
    > http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack


    So much for thin... Now your iPhone can be as thick as my Tilt!

    > geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.


    He was limiting the discussion to swappable, user replaceable batteries, I
    assume.

    No problem, though- as you've always said, the iPhone battery is certainly
    user replaceable- instead of the products you mentioned above, you could
    just carry this:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html?ie=UTF8&a=B000EM98KW





  8. #8
    The Bob
    Guest

    Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

    David Moyer <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy
    >> > work day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as
    >> > with the older iPhone."

    >>
    >> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended
    >> battery on iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.

    >
    > sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.


    Battery extender? I thought the iPhone battery kept a charge for weeks.
    At least that's what you were saying a year ago. Right about the same time
    you were preaching that wifi would be the 3g killers.

    >
    > http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html
    >
    > or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
    >
    > http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack
    >
    > geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.



    Wow- my laptop would be easier and lighter to use than that amalgamation of
    electronic odds and ends. And it shoots the whole"form" argument all to
    hell.

    >





  9. #9
    David G. Imber
    Guest

    Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

    On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:57:38 -0700, Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >The only thing worse than Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese



    SO true! I've never heard others say it, but you are spot on
    there.


    >there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay.


    I get to Japan often, and have purchased phones for others. It
    happens that I've been with Sprint for nine years, which has naturally
    limited my options a good deal.



    >You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
    >capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone.


    I do not. I dislike MP3. My wife does, and she holds a slight
    edge in the voting, don't ask me how.

    One feature of the iPhone that does make a very positive
    impression is the Safari mobile browser. I haven't yet seen a RIM or
    Palm device with a useful browser. I must admit I haven't really
    examined this aspect of the Windows Mobile platform, but I imagine it
    would be strong as well.

    You've given me a lot of great information and I appreciate it
    very much!

    DGI




  10. #10
    David Moyer
    Guest

    Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html

    >
    >
    > ...and they said you can't tether an iPhone!
    >
    > > or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
    > >
    > > http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack

    >
    > So much for thin... Now your iPhone can be as thick as my Tilt!
    >
    > > geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.

    >
    > He was limiting the discussion to swappable, user replaceable batteries, I
    > assume.
    >
    > No problem, though- as you've always said, the iPhone battery is certainly
    > user replaceable- instead of the products you mentioned above, you could
    > just carry this:
    >
    > http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html?ie=UTF8&a=B000EM98KW


    (smirk)

    i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
    will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
    first take-a-parts.



  11. #11
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

    David Moyer <[email protected]> wrote in news:davmoy-904180.22285409072008
    @news.qwest.net:

    > i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
    > will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
    > first take-a-parts.
    >
    >


    .....This to be followed by a special YouTube posting of "Will It Blend",
    within 24 hours, I'm sure....(c;




  12. #12
    Mark Crispin
    Guest

    Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, David G. Imber posted:
    > I get to Japan often, and have purchased phones for others. It
    > happens that I've been with Sprint for nine years, which has naturally
    > limited my options a good deal.


    Rumor states that KDDI au is switching channels to the same ones used
    elsewhere in the world, so presumably newer KDDI au phones will roam with
    Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, and Telus in North America. The problem is in
    getting the subsidy code from KDDI (AFAIK, Verizon is pretty unique in
    using a subsidy code of 000000 for all their phones), and then getting
    your carrier to activate that ESN (Verizon CSRs will if you ask really,
    really, nicely -- I've done it).

    >> You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
    >> capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone.

    > I do not. I dislike MP3. My wife does, and she holds a slight
    > edge in the voting, don't ask me how.


    I can imagine!

    > One feature of the iPhone that does make a very positive
    > impression is the Safari mobile browser. I haven't yet seen a RIM or
    > Palm device with a useful browser.


    Safari on the iPhone/iPod Touch is hyped as being a full browser, but of
    course it is not really "full" and is idiosyncratic in its own ways
    (albeit not as bad as WAP).

    There is a bug in the current 1.1.4 release that requires you to jailbreak
    your iToy and change some filesystem ownerships to make Safari work with
    some pages that have logins. For example, Hotmail won't work at all
    usefully until you do that. I don't know if they fixed it in 2.0 or not.

    > I must admit I haven't really
    > examined this aspect of the Windows Mobile platform, but I imagine it
    > would be strong as well.


    It depends. The WM version of IE is a basically a WAP browser. You
    need to buy something like Opera Mobile to get a real browser on WM.

    The real problem with both WM and iToy is the lack of screen resolution.
    The iToy has better resolution than most WM phones, but it pales compared
    to the screen on the Nokia N800. It's actually possible to view a page on
    the N800/N810 without having to zoom in and out all the time like you do
    on the iToy.

    Good luck!

    -- Mark --

    http://panda.com/mrc
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
    Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.



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