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- 07-05-2010, 09:29 AM #1Dave U. RandomGuest
(Good Gear Guide) - Nokia still sells more phones than Samsung, LG
and Research in Motion (RIM) put together, but its inability to
produce high-margin, high-end smartphones that can compete head-to-
head with Apple's iPhone and Android-based smartphones is causing
it major problems.
Since April 22, when Nokia announced its first quarter results and
the delayed launch of its first competitive smartphone in over
three years -- following that up in June with a lowered outlook for
the second quarter -- the company's share price has almost been cut
in half on the New York Stock Exchange.
The company's status stands in stark contrast to the end of 2006,
when Nokia dominated the market...
Continued: http://sn.im/NokiaMisses
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- 07-05-2010, 06:07 PM #2R. Mark ClaytonGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
Next time have a look on their web site before you start typing!
Nokia N8 due out 24/8/10.
Miles better than iPhone, which if you have been keeping up with the news
does not seem to work when you hold it in your hand - oops!
"Dave U. Random" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> (Good Gear Guide) - Nokia still sells more phones than Samsung, LG
> and Research in Motion (RIM) put together, but its inability to
> produce high-margin, high-end smartphones that can compete head-to-
> head with Apple's iPhone and Android-based smartphones is causing
> it major problems.
>
> Since April 22, when Nokia announced its first quarter results and
> the delayed launch of its first competitive smartphone in over
> three years -- following that up in June with a lowered outlook for
> the second quarter -- the company's share price has almost been cut
> in half on the New York Stock Exchange.
>
> The company's status stands in stark contrast to the end of 2006,
> when Nokia dominated the market...
>
> Continued: http://sn.im/NokiaMisses
>
- 07-06-2010, 02:23 AM #3Bellende BelhamelGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> Next time have a look on their web site before you start typing!
>
> Nokia N8 due out 24/8/10.
>
> Miles better than iPhone, which if you have been keeping up with the news
> does not seem to work when you hold it in your hand - oops!
May I ask, how do you know it is better when is isn`t even out yet?
How do you know it hasn`t quirks too?+
- 07-08-2010, 01:27 PM #4R. Mark ClaytonGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
"Bellende Belhamel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>> Next time have a look on their web site before you start typing!
>>
>> Nokia N8 due out 24/8/10.
>>
>> Miles better than iPhone, which if you have been keeping up with the news
>> does not seem to work when you hold it in your hand - oops!
>
> May I ask, how do you know it is better when is isn`t even out yet?
Let me see - oh yes I can read a specification and that it will be about
half the price.
> How do you know it hasn`t quirks too?+
I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!
>
>
- 07-08-2010, 09:43 PM #5RexGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>
> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!
You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
removable battery.
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- 07-09-2010, 02:37 PM #6R. Mark ClaytonGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
"Rex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!
>
> You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
> removable battery.
>
No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...
- 07-09-2010, 07:09 PM #7Chris BluntGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 21:37:34 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Rex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!
>>
>> You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
>> removable battery.
>>
>No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
>Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...
I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
dismantling the case.
I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.
Chris
- 07-10-2010, 05:34 AM #8Bellende BelhamelGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> "Bellende Belhamel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>> Next time have a look on their web site before you start typing!
>>>
>>> Nokia N8 due out 24/8/10.
>>>
>>> Miles better than iPhone, which if you have been keeping up with the
>>> news
>>> does not seem to work when you hold it in your hand - oops!
>>
>> May I ask, how do you know it is better when is isn`t even out yet?
>
> Let me see - oh yes I can read a specification and that it will be about
> half the price.
I fyou don`t know if it has quirks, you don`t know do you.
>> How do you know it hasn`t quirks too?+
>
> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!
- 07-10-2010, 05:36 AM #9Bellende BelhamelGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
Chris Blunt wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 21:37:34 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Rex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the
>>>> battery!
>>>
>>> You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
>>> removable battery.
>>>
>> No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
>> Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...
>
> I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
> removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
> replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
> dismantling the case.
>
> I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
> worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
> the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.
Unless your phone gets stuck, which my N95 sometimes did.
The only remedie was, removing the battery.
- 07-10-2010, 05:37 AM #10Bellende BelhamelGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
Bellende Belhamel wrote:
> Chris Blunt wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 21:37:34 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Rex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the
>>>>> battery!
>>>>
>>>> You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
>>>> removable battery.
>>>>
>>> No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
>>> Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...
>>
>> I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
>> removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
>> replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
>> dismantling the case.
>>
>> I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
>> worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
>> the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.
>
> Unless your phone gets stuck, which my N95 sometimes did.
> The only remedie was, removing the battery.
or you must wait until your battery was drained ofcourse.
- 07-10-2010, 09:06 PM #11Chris BluntGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:36:00 +0200, "Bellende Belhamel"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Chris Blunt wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 21:37:34 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Rex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the
>>>>> battery!
>>>>
>>>> You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
>>>> removable battery.
>>>>
>>> No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
>>> Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...
>>
>> I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
>> removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
>> replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
>> dismantling the case.
>>
>> I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
>> worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
>> the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.
>
>Unless your phone gets stuck, which my N95 sometimes did.
>The only remedie was, removing the battery.
Looking at pictures of the N8, it looks like there's a small pinhole
on the side of the phone. I wonder if that's some kind of reset
button?
Chris
- 07-11-2010, 04:56 AM #12R. Mark ClaytonGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
"Bellende Belhamel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Chris Blunt wrote:
>
>> I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
>> removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
>> replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
>> dismantling the case.
>>
>> I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
>> worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
>> the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.
>
> Unless your phone gets stuck, which my N95 sometimes did.
> The only remedie was, removing the battery.
>
Indeed it looks like a standard battery, but not user access (but unlikely
to be that difficult to open - this is Nokia NOT Apple).
Does not look like there is a reset "hole" OTOH having found the manual
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/f...ive_or_pdf=pdf
it appears that the on / off switch exerts a hard reset after 8 seconds.
- 07-11-2010, 09:33 AM #13Chris BluntGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:56:32 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Bellende Belhamel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Chris Blunt wrote:
>>
>>> I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
>>> removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
>>> replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
>>> dismantling the case.
>>>
>>> I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
>>> worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
>>> the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.
>>
>> Unless your phone gets stuck, which my N95 sometimes did.
>> The only remedie was, removing the battery.
>>
>
>Indeed it looks like a standard battery, but not user access (but unlikely
>to be that difficult to open - this is Nokia NOT Apple).
>
>Does not look like there is a reset "hole" OTOH having found the manual
>https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/f...ive_or_pdf=pdf
>it appears that the on / off switch exerts a hard reset after 8 seconds.
Those resets that tell you to hold down a button for a certain period
of time are not really true hardware resets because they require some
processing power to work. If the phone has well and truly locked up
then they won't work if the firmware in the phone has completely
stopped running.
Chris
- 07-11-2010, 06:46 PM #14Ted NelsonGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
Dave U. Random <[email protected]> wrote:
> (Good Gear Guide) - Nokia still sells more phones than Samsung, LG
> and Research in Motion (RIM) put together, but its inability to
> produce high-margin, high-end smartphones that can compete head-to-
> head with Apple's iPhone and Android-based smartphones is causing
> it major problems.
Just wait until Apple starts selling a small version of their iPhone,
then it's over for Nokia.
Apple certainly is working in that direction...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07...apple_display/
- 07-12-2010, 12:08 AM #15RexGuest
Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> "Rex"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!
>>
>> You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
>> removable battery.
>>
> No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
> Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...
>
>
It does use the BL 4D, but there`s no standard way to remove it as was
the case with other nokias. the back cover is sealed.
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