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  1. #1
    Dave U. Random
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    (Good Gear Guide) - Nokia still sells more phones than Samsung, LG
    and Research in Motion (RIM) put together, but its inability to
    produce high-margin, high-end smartphones that can compete head-to-
    head with Apple's iPhone and Android-based smartphones is causing
    it major problems.

    Since April 22, when Nokia announced its first quarter results and
    the delayed launch of its first competitive smartphone in over
    three years -- following that up in June with a lowered outlook for
    the second quarter -- the company's share price has almost been cut
    in half on the New York Stock Exchange.

    The company's status stands in stark contrast to the end of 2006,
    when Nokia dominated the market...

    Continued: http://sn.im/NokiaMisses




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  2. #2
    R. Mark Clayton
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses

    Next time have a look on their web site before you start typing!

    Nokia N8 due out 24/8/10.

    Miles better than iPhone, which if you have been keeping up with the news
    does not seem to work when you hold it in your hand - oops!

    "Dave U. Random" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > (Good Gear Guide) - Nokia still sells more phones than Samsung, LG
    > and Research in Motion (RIM) put together, but its inability to
    > produce high-margin, high-end smartphones that can compete head-to-
    > head with Apple's iPhone and Android-based smartphones is causing
    > it major problems.
    >
    > Since April 22, when Nokia announced its first quarter results and
    > the delayed launch of its first competitive smartphone in over
    > three years -- following that up in June with a lowered outlook for
    > the second quarter -- the company's share price has almost been cut
    > in half on the New York Stock Exchange.
    >
    > The company's status stands in stark contrast to the end of 2006,
    > when Nokia dominated the market...
    >
    > Continued: http://sn.im/NokiaMisses
    >






  3. #3
    Bellende Belhamel
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses

    R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    > Next time have a look on their web site before you start typing!
    >
    > Nokia N8 due out 24/8/10.
    >
    > Miles better than iPhone, which if you have been keeping up with the news
    > does not seem to work when you hold it in your hand - oops!


    May I ask, how do you know it is better when is isn`t even out yet?
    How do you know it hasn`t quirks too?+





  4. #4
    R. Mark Clayton
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses


    "Bellende Belhamel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    >> Next time have a look on their web site before you start typing!
    >>
    >> Nokia N8 due out 24/8/10.
    >>
    >> Miles better than iPhone, which if you have been keeping up with the news
    >> does not seem to work when you hold it in your hand - oops!

    >
    > May I ask, how do you know it is better when is isn`t even out yet?


    Let me see - oh yes I can read a specification and that it will be about
    half the price.

    > How do you know it hasn`t quirks too?+


    I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!

    >
    >






  5. #5
    Rex
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses

    R. Mark Clayton wrote:

    >
    > I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!


    You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
    removable battery.

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    Actually, Posix requires that leap seconds be ignored; see IEEE Std
    1003.1b-1993 section 2.2.2.106 (page 22 lines 448-458). There is some
    excellent doublespeak attempting to justify this in the annexes; my
    favorite is "it is inappropriate to require that a time represented as
    seconds since the Epoch precisely represent the number of seconds between
    the referenced time and the Epoch" (section B.2.2.2 page 306 lines
    620-622).
    -- Paul Eggert
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  6. #6
    R. Mark Clayton
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses


    "Rex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!

    >
    > You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
    > removable battery.
    >

    No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
    Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...





  7. #7
    Chris Blunt
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses

    On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 21:37:34 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Rex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!

    >>
    >> You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
    >> removable battery.
    >>

    >No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
    >Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...


    I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
    removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
    replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
    dismantling the case.

    I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
    worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
    the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.

    Chris



  8. #8
    Bellende Belhamel
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses

    R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    > "Bellende Belhamel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    >>> Next time have a look on their web site before you start typing!
    >>>
    >>> Nokia N8 due out 24/8/10.
    >>>
    >>> Miles better than iPhone, which if you have been keeping up with the
    >>> news
    >>> does not seem to work when you hold it in your hand - oops!

    >>
    >> May I ask, how do you know it is better when is isn`t even out yet?

    >
    > Let me see - oh yes I can read a specification and that it will be about
    > half the price.


    I fyou don`t know if it has quirks, you don`t know do you.


    >> How do you know it hasn`t quirks too?+

    >
    > I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!






  9. #9
    Bellende Belhamel
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses

    Chris Blunt wrote:
    > On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 21:37:34 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "Rex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the
    >>>> battery!
    >>>
    >>> You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
    >>> removable battery.
    >>>

    >> No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
    >> Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...

    >
    > I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
    > removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
    > replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
    > dismantling the case.
    >
    > I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
    > worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
    > the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.


    Unless your phone gets stuck, which my N95 sometimes did.
    The only remedie was, removing the battery.





  10. #10
    Bellende Belhamel
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses

    Bellende Belhamel wrote:
    > Chris Blunt wrote:
    >> On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 21:37:34 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> "Rex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the
    >>>>> battery!
    >>>>
    >>>> You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
    >>>> removable battery.
    >>>>
    >>> No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
    >>> Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...

    >>
    >> I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
    >> removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
    >> replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
    >> dismantling the case.
    >>
    >> I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
    >> worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
    >> the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.

    >
    > Unless your phone gets stuck, which my N95 sometimes did.
    > The only remedie was, removing the battery.


    or you must wait until your battery was drained ofcourse.





  11. #11
    Chris Blunt
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses

    On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:36:00 +0200, "Bellende Belhamel"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Chris Blunt wrote:
    >> On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 21:37:34 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> "Rex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the
    >>>>> battery!
    >>>>
    >>>> You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
    >>>> removable battery.
    >>>>
    >>> No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
    >>> Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...

    >>
    >> I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
    >> removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
    >> replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
    >> dismantling the case.
    >>
    >> I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
    >> worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
    >> the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.

    >
    >Unless your phone gets stuck, which my N95 sometimes did.
    >The only remedie was, removing the battery.


    Looking at pictures of the N8, it looks like there's a small pinhole
    on the side of the phone. I wonder if that's some kind of reset
    button?

    Chris



  12. #12
    R. Mark Clayton
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses


    "Bellende Belhamel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Chris Blunt wrote:
    >
    >> I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
    >> removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
    >> replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
    >> dismantling the case.
    >>
    >> I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
    >> worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
    >> the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.

    >
    > Unless your phone gets stuck, which my N95 sometimes did.
    > The only remedie was, removing the battery.
    >


    Indeed it looks like a standard battery, but not user access (but unlikely
    to be that difficult to open - this is Nokia NOT Apple).

    Does not look like there is a reset "hole" OTOH having found the manual
    https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/f...ive_or_pdf=pdf
    it appears that the on / off switch exerts a hard reset after 8 seconds.





  13. #13
    Chris Blunt
    Guest

    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses

    On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:56:32 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Bellende Belhamel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> Chris Blunt wrote:
    >>
    >>> I guess you're both right to a certain extent. The N8 doesn't have a
    >>> removable battery cover like normal Nokia phones. You can still
    >>> replace the battery, but it involves removing a few screws and
    >>> dismantling the case.
    >>>
    >>> I'm sure many people will dislike that, but I don't think it will
    >>> worry me. I can't remember ever replacing a battery more than once in
    >>> the entire lifetime of any phones I've owned.

    >>
    >> Unless your phone gets stuck, which my N95 sometimes did.
    >> The only remedie was, removing the battery.
    >>

    >
    >Indeed it looks like a standard battery, but not user access (but unlikely
    >to be that difficult to open - this is Nokia NOT Apple).
    >
    >Does not look like there is a reset "hole" OTOH having found the manual
    >https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/f...ive_or_pdf=pdf
    >it appears that the on / off switch exerts a hard reset after 8 seconds.


    Those resets that tell you to hold down a button for a certain period
    of time are not really true hardware resets because they require some
    processing power to work. If the phone has well and truly locked up
    then they won't work if the firmware in the phone has completely
    stopped running.

    Chris



  14. #14
    Ted Nelson
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses

    Dave U. Random <[email protected]> wrote:

    > (Good Gear Guide) - Nokia still sells more phones than Samsung, LG
    > and Research in Motion (RIM) put together, but its inability to
    > produce high-margin, high-end smartphones that can compete head-to-
    > head with Apple's iPhone and Android-based smartphones is causing
    > it major problems.


    Just wait until Apple starts selling a small version of their iPhone,
    then it's over for Nokia.

    Apple certainly is working in that direction...

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07...apple_display/



  15. #15
    Rex
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    Re: Nokia on long comeback trail after smartphone misses

    R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    > "Rex"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> I don't - but I do know that the user will be able to change the battery!

    >>
    >> You're wrong there. The N8 is the first Nokia with an iPhone style non
    >> removable battery.
    >>

    > No I am not it takes the existing Nokia Battery BL-4D (same as the N97
    > Mini) - do read the spec's old boy...
    >
    >

    It does use the BL 4D, but there`s no standard way to remove it as was
    the case with other nokias. the back cover is sealed.


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