Oxygen software. Licence renewals

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Hello, Chris!
You wrote on Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:08:53 +0100:

CB> Can I make a suggestion to you?

Surely you can, Chris.

CB> Instead of spending time here arguing with your customers, why don't
CB> you listen to them. Its clear that many people find your policy
CB> onerous, so why not reconsider it? Of course you need to make money,
CB> nobody would deny that, but other software producers seem to be able to
CB> find ways around software piracy without going to such extreme
CB> measures. I registered my copy of Logomanager 4 years ago. I paid less
CB> that half the price I paid you for OPM yet I have been entitled to use
CB> every new release of Logomanager since, and
CB> I can use it with any phone I want without having to re-register
CB> phones. Mike Bradley is still in business, so don't give us this
CB> nonsense about you having to charge us again every year for what
CB> we've already paid for just so that you can continue to develop
CB> software.

Chris, could you please name any similar software that is not
pirated/cracked in several days from release? I don't know any. Pirated
version of Logomanager or MobiMB are usually available right the day after
they released.
About Logomanager and its update policy - I think you've found a bad
example. Yes you keep receiving new versions, but please compare the
dynamics of adding new features to Logomanager and OPM2. Oxygen Phone
Manager II is just less than 1.5 years old, but it has *much* more features
than LM. Logomanager is almost dead now, it stopped in its evolution a long
time ago. And Mike (btw, I think he is a great programmer!) understood it
and created three(!) new products to continue earning his living.
So there is a simple choice between purchasing next product every time the
previous become antiquated and paying small fixed free yearly and be sure
you will receive all the new features in regular updates. We choose the
second way.
And we are not going to change our policy, because I consider it's more
fair than, for example, charging for every update of MobiMB.

By the way our registered customers who bought Nokia 7650 or 3650 phones
are very happy now that they can get Symbian phones support *absolutely
free*, despite of the fact that we worked on it almost 1 year and were
forced to make a separate program for this - Oxygen Phone Manager for
Symbian OS phones, and it has only about 10% common code with OPM2. It's
more fair than if we would charge an additional fee for it.

If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact
us.

Best regards, Oleg Fyodorov.
Oxygen Software - tools for your Nokia.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your Nokia.
[email protected]
http://www.oxygensoftware.com
http://www.oxygensoftware.co.uk

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Hello, Dolphin!
You wrote on Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:57:56 +0100:

DB> Chris, mate, I don't think we're going to win this one. They already
DB> have our money and therefore no longer care.

It is not true. We care about all our customers. Otherwise I would never
wrote a lot of messages here clarifying some moments of our upgrade policy
you haven't even read.

f you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards, Oleg Fyodorov.
Oxygen Software - tools for your Nokia.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your Nokia.
[email protected]
http://www.oxygensoftware.com
http://www.oxygensoftware.co.uk

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> > As you probably know the registration key for Oxygen Phone Manager II
has
> >an information about the phones you're currently using. If you want to
get
> >the updated registration key that will allow you to work with a new (not
> >previously registered) phone, you send a special message with the
> >"Register/Unregister phones" dialog to our technical support service.
> >Somebody from our technical support service checks your data, includes
your
> >new phone in your license and sends the new registration key back to you.
> >Therefore we assume this operation as a technical support.
>
> According to your documentation, this is an automated process
> performed by what you say is a 'robot'. The registration key is
> normally returned within just a few minutes. I find it hard to
> believe your claim here that it requires someone in your technical
> support to manually check the data. Besides, this entire procedure is
> for your benefit only to protect yourselves against piracy. Its of no
> benefit to the customers, yet you expect us to pay for it.
Not a good arguement for the simple reason the License = Product +
Updates&Support
is well documented (always read small print). As far as I can tell the
automation is to yes, protect the software within the realms of your
licence. After the year has expired all they need do is tell the server to
deny the user and no more updated keys as per licencing conditions. If you
pay the U&S upgrade price then this is reinitialised. Like Norton
AntiVirus do, in order to support their software with latest definitions,
pay staff etc, otherwise = no product. Way of the world m8y. Get used to
it - because that's the way it is. This method is the way of updating the
program with new phones. So you are paying for the updates, not the server
dishing them out.

> Can I make a suggestion to you? Instead of spending time here arguing
> with your customers, why don't you listen to them. Its clear that many
> people find your policy onerous, so why not reconsider it? Of course
> you need to make money, nobody would deny that, but other software
> producers seem to be able to find ways around software piracy without
> going to such extreme measures. I registered my copy of Logomanager 4
> years ago. I paid less that half the price I paid you for OPM yet I
> have been entitled to use every new release of Logomanager since, and
> I can use it with any phone I want without having to re-register
> phones. Mike Bradley is still in business, so don't give us this
> nonsense about you having to charge us again every year for what we've
> already paid for just so that you can continue to develop software.
You have to realise that times change. Mike Bradley has since learnt that
trying to be socialist and capitalist does not work. Bastards still rip
him off even when he charged just £20. It also meant all his hard work in
updates became free which is impossible to do as much as he may like to
because new phones are coming out constantly and he is making no money for
developing for them. These are new products, new coding. You may think
it should be free but that is stupid to do. Periodically you have to have
2.0, 3.0 etc with a new charge/upgrade structure otherwise you fold.

Mike's new products split from LM (I would guess) in order to have a new
price structure introduced. LM had the infinite updates policy, but he
couldn't see the future and of which has stuck to in regards to all DCT3.
DCT4 being different workings made sense to create individual tools, so you
buy what features you want, can use them as long as want, unless and upgrade
where you pay an upgrade charge. If you want cheap quality products, you
a) support the author so he has desire and b) don't pirate them. Otherwise
you have to pay for it and that is just life. Go and play some Monty
Python!

LM is likely to stop I would guess at 1.3.0 now as there is really not much
more can do in it (apart from clock set) and it really has no future in it
financially. Development time is now in the DCT4 stuff, not worth making
new LM which get pirated anyway.
Well that is what I would do anyway if I had programmed it.

Mole.
Just pay the 12.95 euros for the renew of live update and all will be well.
Very simple really - it equates to less than £10 for a years continued
support of the latest technology. The licence was there, you just
didn't read it. Don't want to add new phones after a year for £10? Stick
with what you have then. Simple. Mike and Oxygen are two different
people competing and each have a right to express what methods they choose
to sell their software, in the way they want to sell it.

> Thats pathetic. You're blaming me for your rip-off. As other posters have
> responded,
> your text only refers to updates & support, I want nether. I want a key,
> which is an
> automated process.
1. Don't slag the author of constantly and you may reach an understanding
2. Your software is expired, you lost phone registered to software, new
phone is not included in agreement, pay £10 and get free updates and support
for a year, problem fixed or pay £100+ to go to lawyers and still end up
with nothing.
3. Don't slag the author of constantly and you may reach an understanding,
this is a customer relations issue not a rip off, nor is he obliged to help
you until you purchase a renewal of upgrades as per agreement. Had you not
slagged him off, voiced your opinion sensibly, maybe Oxygen seeing the
arguement, the misunderstanding would have let £10 go. You're being an
idiot, so why should he as you are costing him business. If I were Oxygen
I'd give you the damn key because you are a pratt and it affects business
more than the £10 you would lose dealing in threads with idiots like you.
Then I would say, if you want upgrades in the future great, if not goodbye.
That is what I would do anyway.

Just to make that clear. That is adding in your new phone to your licence.
Not giving you a years updates, further technical support.
If you would want that - pay the £10.

And this would be for goodwill, not because he has to, obliged to or is a
rip off!
It isn't. Most would say **** off then and not respond to you any more.
It's silly to create a hostility over £10. In the long term you may value
the relationship with the author.

Mole

> 1. Don't slag the author of constantly and you may reach an understanding

Mole, we have already reached an understanding. They have agreed bar me from
using
my software (MY software because I have already purchased it)
I, in turn agree to publicise this rip-off whenever possible

> 2. Your software is expired, you lost phone registered to software, new
> phone is not included in agreement, pay £10 and get free updates and
support
> for a year, problem fixed or pay £100+ to go to lawyers and still end up
> with nothing.

Why bother with lawyers? Oxygen forced me away from their products, now I
make
do with other products.

> 3. Don't slag the author of constantly and you may reach an
understanding,
> this is a customer relations issue not a rip off, nor is he obliged to
help
> you until you purchase a renewal of upgrades as per agreement. Had you
not
> slagged him off, voiced your opinion sensibly, maybe Oxygen seeing the
> arguement, the misunderstanding would have let £10 go.

Oxygen were given ample chance to do just that in private e-mails. These
approaches all failed

>You're being an idiot,

I'll just ignore that...

>so why should he as you are costing him business.

That is exactly my intention. They have annoyed the wrong aquatic mammal
this time.

If I were Oxygen
> I'd give you the damn key because you are a pratt and it affects business
> more than the £10 you would lose dealing in threads with idiots like you.
> Then I would say, if you want upgrades in the future great, if not
goodbye.
> That is what I would do anyway.

Good for you.

The end.

> > Had you not
> > slagged him off, voiced your opinion sensibly, maybe Oxygen seeing the
> > arguement, the misunderstanding would have let £10 go.
>
> Oxygen were given ample chance to do just that in private e-mails. These
> approaches all failed

Unfortunately, that is what the licence dictates. If they want to be 100%
by that then that is that.
I'll give you an example of something...

I have MobiMB 1.2.3. There is 1.2.5 out.
I like to have the latest version of software, all the time.

If I want the latest 1.2.5 version I have to pay £x.xx (it's very small).
I could do, I quite support Mike's policy - it is very sensible. I bought
and use MobiMB with a 3510i only as I no longer unlock now all the time. I
don't need support for 7210i added or whatever it is, so I have stuck with
1.2.3. For now, likelyhood is I will do a deal with Mike if I buy their
Poly thingy. But I don't need it really...

If a time 1.2.8 is out and I have say a 3610i then, then I am happy to pay
the £x.xx fee to upgrade my sw to include the new phone additions. As I
accepted when I bought MobiMB in the first place. Until then 1.2.3
suffices and I can quite happily use 1.2.3 until then... If however, you
want the latest builds, you have to pay as that is what the licence
dictates. You are under no obligation.

Right or wrong, this is how it is. You cannot change it. Rule is made.
If Oxygen allowed your new key for your new version of the same phone it
would help them and you, but they don't have to and you cannot flame them
because that is the policy. It is called life, you read the rules wrong -
it is not Oxygen's fault.
After all your flaming, I would probably allow use of your new phone, but no
more until you pay the £10 (if was me).
Not because I agree with you, but for good will. You have behaved stupidly
and I don't think Oxygen deserve damage to the company because you insist on
your way. It would be sensible for Oxygen to dismiss you as a pratt and
give you the one off key, but they don't have to and after your posts may
not want to.

If you could prove your last phone registered is the same as one now, maybe
they could honour that - but no way you can demand free licence upgrades for
your error - you lost a phone. Everyone would demand it.

Work now...so cannot argue any more, hopefully the pair of you will come to
an understanding.
Oxygen needs your help, support, custom, so I would let it go - but you are
not right in this instance Mr Dolphin.
If they say no, just pay the £10 if you want to use the sw or use an
alternative. It may be unfair, but that is the way life works.

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:48:44 +0400, "Oxygen Software"
<[email protected]> wrote:


> Let's take Individual license as an example and clarify some moments. You
>paid 39Euro for a product + 1 year of updates and technical support.


Updates?. Most of them were bug fixes, and when i informed you about a
bug you would not answer my e-mails until i put it on this newsgroup.

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:23:27 +0400, "Oxygen Software"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Hello, Chris!
>You wrote on Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:08:53 +0100:
>
> CB> Can I make a suggestion to you?
>
> Surely you can, Chris.
>
> CB> Instead of spending time here arguing with your customers, why don't
> CB> you listen to them. Its clear that many people find your policy
> CB> onerous, so why not reconsider it? Of course you need to make money,
> CB> nobody would deny that, but other software producers seem to be able to
> CB> find ways around software piracy without going to such extreme
> CB> measures. I registered my copy of Logomanager 4 years ago. I paid less
> CB> that half the price I paid you for OPM yet I have been entitled to use
> CB> every new release of Logomanager since, and
> CB> I can use it with any phone I want without having to re-register
> CB> phones. Mike Bradley is still in business, so don't give us this
> CB> nonsense about you having to charge us again every year for what
> CB> we've already paid for just so that you can continue to develop
> CB> software.
>
> Chris, could you please name any similar software that is not
>pirated/cracked in several days from release? I don't know any. Pirated
>version of Logomanager or MobiMB are usually available right the day after
>they released.

That may be true, but those guilty people who are pirating the
software are not your customers. Your customers have paid you for the
software, so why punish them for somebody else's crime by making them
pay for anti-piracy measures that benefit only you?

> About Logomanager and its update policy - I think you've found a bad
>example. Yes you keep receiving new versions, but please compare the
>dynamics of adding new features to Logomanager and OPM2. Oxygen Phone
>Manager II is just less than 1.5 years old, but it has *much* more features
>than LM. Logomanager is almost dead now, it stopped in its evolution a long
>time ago. And Mike (btw, I think he is a great programmer!) understood it
>and created three(!) new products to continue earning his living.
> So there is a simple choice between purchasing next product every time the
>previous become antiquated and paying small fixed free yearly and be sure
>you will receive all the new features in regular updates. We choose the
>second way.
> And we are not going to change our policy, because I consider it's more
>fair than, for example, charging for every update of MobiMB.

Oleg, in all your responses you keep talking about the benefits of
receiving upgraded software when that is not the real issue being
questioned here. What people dislike is being forced to pay again for
using the *same* version of OPM with another phone, even of the *same*
model.

> By the way our registered customers who bought Nokia 7650 or 3650 phones
>are very happy now that they can get Symbian phones support *absolutely
>free*, despite of the fact that we worked on it almost 1 year and were
>forced to make a separate program for this - Oxygen Phone Manager for
>Symbian OS phones, and it has only about 10% common code with OPM2. It's
>more fair than if we would charge an additional fee for it.

Perhaps I can suggest a compromise solution that you could consider.
Let's say that when you buy OPM, you get a registration code which
allows you to use *any* currently released phone, plus any new models
which are released during the next 12 months. You would be able to
identify the model of the phone being used just as you can now
identify the IMEI. That would allow more flexibility in case people
lose their phones, change them for another model or upgrade them soon
after buying your software.

Then, at any time after the expiry of his license, the customer has
the option of buying an additional license from you which would enable
his software to be used with an extended range of phones, including
any currently available phone plus any new models released in the next
12 months. That additional license would be your payment for the
additional development work you had done to support new phones.

There would then be no need to obtain new codes every time you changed
your phone for a current model. Customers could still download the
latest version of OPM in order to fix any bugs, but will not have the
ability to use the software with the latest models unless they buy
another license.

Hello, Jakey!
You wrote on Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:50:23 +0100:

J> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:48:44 +0400, "Oxygen Software"
J> <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Let's take Individual license as an example and clarify some moments.
>> You paid 39Euro for a product + 1 year of updates and technical
>> support.

J> Updates?. Most of them were bug fixes, and when i informed you about a
J> bug you would not answer my e-mails until i put it on this newsgroup.

Oxygen Phone Manager II has built-in bug reporting system that sends us an
internal information about error and helps us to track the problem's
location and reason. We gather this information and try to fix the problem.
And we include all bugfixes' description into WhatsNew.txt file that's
available in every new release or update. But please understand that
this bug reporting system is *for our internal use only*. We don't answer
all bug reports and we claim nowhere that we do this.

If you will have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.

With best regards, Oleg Fyodorov.
Oxygen Software - tools for your Nokia.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your Nokia.
[email protected]
http://www.oxygensoftware.com
http://www.oxygensoftware.co.uk

"Oxygen Software" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
<SNIP>
> Let's take Individual license as an example and clarify some moments.
You
> paid 39Euro for a product + 1 year of updates and technical support. After
1
> year you can continue using the product with the last registered phone as
> long as you want. Renewal price of 12.95Euro allows you to get one more
year
> of upgrades and technical support. If it would be more simple for you, the
> license cost formula is
>
> License = Product + Updates&Support
>
> Where "Product" is one-time payment; "Updates&Support" - regular yearly
> payment. I don't see any scam in this formula.
>
> If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact
> us.
>
> Best regards, Oleg Fyodorov.
> Oxygen Software - tools for your Nokia.
> Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your Nokia.
> [email protected]
> http://www.oxygensoftware.com

OK, I've been thinking of trying out OPM for my phones.
Here's my predicament.. I've got a Nokia 3210, a 3310, and a 5110, and my
wife has a 3310.
My 3310 was bought about 2 years ago, and the wifes was 3-4 months ago.

How much would it cost me to use OPM on these?

Also, from the banter in this thread, is it correct to say that if I did
register now, and in 13 months time, my 3310 dies and I get another 3310,
that I have to pay more money?
(note, I would buy another 3310 because of all the accessxories, etc, I
have)

Alternately, if I decided to get a 3410 (which is out now) in a years time,
but is currently supported now, I would have to pay extra? (ie, have to pay
"for the development of 3410 code" even though the version of the software I
bought originally (if I do decide to buy it from you) supported it?

Cheers, and I look forward to your response,

Chris.


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> OK, I've been thinking of trying out OPM for my phones.
> Here's my predicament.. I've got a Nokia 3210, a 3310, and a 5110, and my
> wife has a 3310.
> My 3310 was bought about 2 years ago, and the wifes was 3-4 months ago.
>
> How much would it cost me to use OPM on these?
Oxygen is a great program for DCT4 and DCT3 models. The phones you list
are all DCT3 and to be honest, although Oxygen is powerful, it is more an
all rounder software. LogoManager is incredibly cheap, very easy to use,
is unlimited phones, unlimited support and covers every DCT3 phone to the
extremes as well as useful addons like copying simcards, phone memory to
harddisk. Not saying that Oxygen is rubbish, but when it comes to the DCT3
due to Mike's then generous policy, it is a program you really should invest
in. Also 3410 is DCT3 technology (another reason why my favourite Nokia).
You can even make animated screensavers in LM. Not sure what Oxygen does
in the way of here, but from using LM for yonks and still to this day, you
couldn't ask for a friendlier piece of software!

> Also, from the banter in this thread, is it correct to say that if I did
> register now, and in 13 months time, my 3310 dies and I get another 3310,
> that I have to pay more money?
Oxygen's registration is a different structure to Mikes. LM was the old
licence structure, but is still honoured. On newer products this is not as
generous, due to having to survive now, so both are as competitive in their
own ways. But for LM being DCT3 and Mike's unlimited access policy with LM
software only, it makes LM a superb buy for you.
Also 3310 and 3330 are not the most bugfree of firmwares, so hardly worth
spending lots when the firmware can let the product down. Ie on 3310,
reading off the simcard trunchicates the names - due to a bug in the phone.
But Graphics, ringtone wise etc, LM is brilliant for. Also ask Mike for
NKProfile, free with LM. If your phone (3210) supports it, it will give
you two free games. LM is now also only £13 or so with unlimited
phones and updates (though probably won't be any now as no DCT3 phones to
come out as old technology) and because it is the older licence policy.
1.3.0 is excellent. Get it, and software on my site... See later...

> (note, I would buy another 3310 because of all the accessxories, etc, I
> have)
>
> Alternately, if I decided to get a 3410 (which is out now) in a years
time,
> but is currently supported now, I would have to pay extra? (ie, have to
pay
> "for the development of 3410 code" even though the version of the software
I
> bought originally (if I do decide to buy it from you) supported it?
3310 is VERY crap next to the 3410. On 3410 the software has majorly been
overhauled. The bonus 3315 feature are improved on and included by default
in the 3410, off on 3310. The 3410 has all the best bits of 3310 and 3330
with the operator names now correct. 3410 does not trunchicate the names
in LM. 3410 has extra screensavers to 3330 and you can still edit them in
LM. 3410 has two great clock screensavers, very useful when in your
pocket. 3410 has an autokeylock as standard. 3410s battery is a lighter
design. 3410 has a dedicated menu button. 3410 doesn't have the annoying
battery going flat quick on two bars bug. 3410 is ONLY £10 DIFFERENCE on
pay and go. Unlock it and works on all with your LM f/m cable.

I got one on the last bank holiday sale on T-Mobile for £39.99 with an old
phone traded in. Not now though. Unlocked it, works on what I want it to
now - just buy cheapest p&g and unlock it for your current SIM. Sorry
T-Mobile. New SIM is in my 3310 (sorry 3315 PPM B) LOL... 3410 is now on
O2. Boast etc...

See http://www.unlocksmith.com/ guide 1.

A lot of 3310 accessories (abeit covers) work on the 3410. Ie charger, car
charger, battery, usb charger, deck chair, dual charger probably, water
proof case, carry case etc... These are all very expensive to replace
according to phoneworld.tv. LOL

Don't wait a year though. You will be lucky if 3510i still exists - let
alone 3410.
If you want a cheap, reasonable phone, lightish - get one asap...
Highly recommended over a 3310 and the terrible 3330 (well the software is
terrible, not the phone itself).

Mole.

"The Mole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > OK, I've been thinking of trying out OPM for my phones.
> > Here's my predicament.. I've got a Nokia 3210, a 3310, and a 5110, and
my
> > wife has a 3310.
> > My 3310 was bought about 2 years ago, and the wifes was 3-4 months ago.
> >
> > How much would it cost me to use OPM on these?
> Oxygen is a great program for DCT4 and DCT3 models. The phones you list
> are all DCT3 and to be honest, although Oxygen is powerful, it is more an
> all rounder software. LogoManager is incredibly cheap, very easy to use,
> is unlimited phones, unlimited support and covers every DCT3 phone to the
> extremes as well as useful addons like copying simcards, phone memory to
> harddisk. Not saying that Oxygen is rubbish, but when it comes to the
DCT3
> due to Mike's then generous policy, it is a program you really should
invest
> in. Also 3410 is DCT3 technology (another reason why my favourite
Nokia).
> You can even make animated screensavers in LM. Not sure what Oxygen does
> in the way of here, but from using LM for yonks and still to this day, you
> couldn't ask for a friendlier piece of software!
>
> > Also, from the banter in this thread, is it correct to say that if I did
> > register now, and in 13 months time, my 3310 dies and I get another
3310,
> > that I have to pay more money?
> Oxygen's registration is a different structure to Mikes. LM was the old
> licence structure, but is still honoured. On newer products this is not
as
> generous, due to having to survive now, so both are as competitive in
their
> own ways. But for LM being DCT3 and Mike's unlimited access policy with
LM
> software only, it makes LM a superb buy for you.
> Also 3310 and 3330 are not the most bugfree of firmwares, so hardly worth
> spending lots when the firmware can let the product down. Ie on 3310,
> reading off the simcard trunchicates the names - due to a bug in the
phone.
> But Graphics, ringtone wise etc, LM is brilliant for. Also ask Mike for
> NKProfile, free with LM. If your phone (3210) supports it, it will give
> you two free games. LM is now also only £13 or so with unlimited
> phones and updates (though probably won't be any now as no DCT3 phones to
> come out as old technology) and because it is the older licence policy.
> 1.3.0 is excellent. Get it, and software on my site... See later...
>
> > (note, I would buy another 3310 because of all the accessxories, etc, I
> > have)
> >
> > Alternately, if I decided to get a 3410 (which is out now) in a years
> time,
> > but is currently supported now, I would have to pay extra? (ie, have to
> pay
> > "for the development of 3410 code" even though the version of the
software
> I
> > bought originally (if I do decide to buy it from you) supported it?
> 3310 is VERY crap next to the 3410. On 3410 the software has majorly
been
> overhauled. The bonus 3315 feature are improved on and included by
default
> in the 3410, off on 3310. The 3410 has all the best bits of 3310 and
3330
> with the operator names now correct. 3410 does not trunchicate the names
> in LM. 3410 has extra screensavers to 3330 and you can still edit them
in
> LM. 3410 has two great clock screensavers, very useful when in your
> pocket. 3410 has an autokeylock as standard. 3410s battery is a
lighter
> design. 3410 has a dedicated menu button. 3410 doesn't have the
annoying
> battery going flat quick on two bars bug. 3410 is ONLY £10 DIFFERENCE on
> pay and go. Unlock it and works on all with your LM f/m cable.
>
> I got one on the last bank holiday sale on T-Mobile for £39.99 with an old
> phone traded in. Not now though. Unlocked it, works on what I want it
to
> now - just buy cheapest p&g and unlock it for your current SIM. Sorry
> T-Mobile. New SIM is in my 3310 (sorry 3315 PPM B) LOL... 3410 is now
on
> O2. Boast etc...
>
> See http://www.unlocksmith.com/ guide 1.
>
> A lot of 3310 accessories (abeit covers) work on the 3410. Ie charger,
car
> charger, battery, usb charger, deck chair, dual charger probably, water
> proof case, carry case etc... These are all very expensive to replace
> according to phoneworld.tv. LOL
>
> Don't wait a year though. You will be lucky if 3510i still exists - let
> alone 3410.
> If you want a cheap, reasonable phone, lightish - get one asap...
> Highly recommended over a 3310 and the terrible 3330 (well the software is
> terrible, not the phone itself).
>
> Mole.
>

Yes, I understand this, but have a real affection with 3310's ;-)

So, Mr Oxygen out there, can you explain how much it's going to cost me?

Chris


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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:25:20 +0100, "Chunky"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"The Mole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> > OK, I've been thinking of trying out OPM for my phones.
>> > Here's my predicament.. I've got a Nokia 3210, a 3310, and a 5110, and
>my
>> > wife has a 3310.
>> > My 3310 was bought about 2 years ago, and the wifes was 3-4 months ago.
>> >
>> > How much would it cost me to use OPM on these?
>> Oxygen is a great program for DCT4 and DCT3 models. The phones you list
>> are all DCT3 and to be honest, although Oxygen is powerful, it is more an
>> all rounder software. LogoManager is incredibly cheap, very easy to use,
>> is unlimited phones, unlimited support and covers every DCT3 phone to the
>> extremes as well as useful addons like copying simcards, phone memory to
>> harddisk. Not saying that Oxygen is rubbish, but when it comes to the
>DCT3
>> due to Mike's then generous policy, it is a program you really should
>invest
>> in. Also 3410 is DCT3 technology (another reason why my favourite
>Nokia).
>> You can even make animated screensavers in LM. Not sure what Oxygen does
>> in the way of here, but from using LM for yonks and still to this day, you
>> couldn't ask for a friendlier piece of software!
>>
>> > Also, from the banter in this thread, is it correct to say that if I did
>> > register now, and in 13 months time, my 3310 dies and I get another
>3310,
>> > that I have to pay more money?
>> Oxygen's registration is a different structure to Mikes. LM was the old
>> licence structure, but is still honoured. On newer products this is not
>as
>> generous, due to having to survive now, so both are as competitive in
>their
>> own ways. But for LM being DCT3 and Mike's unlimited access policy with
>LM
>> software only, it makes LM a superb buy for you.
>> Also 3310 and 3330 are not the most bugfree of firmwares, so hardly worth
>> spending lots when the firmware can let the product down. Ie on 3310,
>> reading off the simcard trunchicates the names - due to a bug in the
>phone.
>> But Graphics, ringtone wise etc, LM is brilliant for. Also ask Mike for
>> NKProfile, free with LM. If your phone (3210) supports it, it will give
>> you two free games. LM is now also only £13 or so with unlimited
>> phones and updates (though probably won't be any now as no DCT3 phones to
>> come out as old technology) and because it is the older licence policy.
>> 1.3.0 is excellent. Get it, and software on my site... See later...
>>
>> > (note, I would buy another 3310 because of all the accessxories, etc, I
>> > have)
>> >
>> > Alternately, if I decided to get a 3410 (which is out now) in a years
>> time,
>> > but is currently supported now, I would have to pay extra? (ie, have to
>> pay
>> > "for the development of 3410 code" even though the version of the
>software
>> I
>> > bought originally (if I do decide to buy it from you) supported it?
>> 3310 is VERY crap next to the 3410. On 3410 the software has majorly
>been
>> overhauled. The bonus 3315 feature are improved on and included by
>default
>> in the 3410, off on 3310. The 3410 has all the best bits of 3310 and
>3330
>> with the operator names now correct. 3410 does not trunchicate the names
>> in LM. 3410 has extra screensavers to 3330 and you can still edit them
>in
>> LM. 3410 has two great clock screensavers, very useful when in your
>> pocket. 3410 has an autokeylock as standard. 3410s battery is a
>lighter
>> design. 3410 has a dedicated menu button. 3410 doesn't have the
>annoying
>> battery going flat quick on two bars bug. 3410 is ONLY £10 DIFFERENCE on
>> pay and go. Unlock it and works on all with your LM f/m cable.
>>
>> I got one on the last bank holiday sale on T-Mobile for £39.99 with an old
>> phone traded in. Not now though. Unlocked it, works on what I want it
>to
>> now - just buy cheapest p&g and unlock it for your current SIM. Sorry
>> T-Mobile. New SIM is in my 3310 (sorry 3315 PPM B) LOL... 3410 is now
>on
>> O2. Boast etc...
>>
>> See http://www.unlocksmith.com/ guide 1.
>>
>> A lot of 3310 accessories (abeit covers) work on the 3410. Ie charger,
>car
>> charger, battery, usb charger, deck chair, dual charger probably, water
>> proof case, carry case etc... These are all very expensive to replace
>> according to phoneworld.tv. LOL
>>
>> Don't wait a year though. You will be lucky if 3510i still exists - let
>> alone 3410.
>> If you want a cheap, reasonable phone, lightish - get one asap...
>> Highly recommended over a 3310 and the terrible 3330 (well the software is
>> terrible, not the phone itself).
>>
>> Mole.
>>
>
>Yes, I understand this, but have a real affection with 3310's ;-)
>
>So, Mr Oxygen out there, can you explain how much it's going to cost me?

I'm not Mr. Oxygen, but in the absence of a reply from him I'll give
my calculation which is that it will cost you 89 Euros to manage all
four phones. That is for a license for 12 months, which allows use of
up to five phones.

After 12 months, you'll need to pay 39.80 Euros every year to extend
your support for four phones.

Perhaps Oxygen would like to correct that if its wrong.