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  1. #1
    issie
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    If you thinking of moving over to the nokia 6600 from your previous
    phone or pda like me you might want to wait for the following symbian
    phones the
    Sony p900 , sendo x or
    the Ben q p30 amongst others

    I have the the nokia 3650 its good replacement for my ipaq 3600 but
    there things a smart phone should be able to do which
    the nokia 3650 does not

    1 does not sync your outlook notes.
    2 does not sync with your outlook inbox or email.

    No third party apps are availbale to carry out these funtions either.

    The above are standard pda functions that even the original palm
    pilot was able to carry out flawlessly.

    All i can say is the symbian smartphone area is hitting up now

    And thank god for that.

    Issie



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  2. #2
    Martin Crosbie
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    Re: Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)


    "issie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > If you thinking of moving over to the nokia 6600 from your previous
    > phone or pda like me you might want to wait for the following symbian
    > phones the
    > Sony p900 , sendo x or
    > the Ben q p30 amongst others
    >
    > I have the the nokia 3650 its good replacement for my ipaq 3600 but
    > there things a smart phone should be able to do which
    > the nokia 3650 does not
    >
    > 1 does not sync your outlook notes.
    > 2 does not sync with your outlook inbox or email.
    >
    > No third party apps are availbale to carry out these funtions either.
    >
    > The above are standard pda functions that even the original palm
    > pilot was able to carry out flawlessly.
    >
    > All i can say is the symbian smartphone area is hitting up now


    there is little benefit to upgrading from the 3650 to the 6600. you get a
    better screen, a usable keypad, and a slightly more pocketable device.

    Smartphones are no replacement for a connected PDA. My 3650 served me well
    recently when as a result of moving, I had no PC access, so had only my 3650
    for 2 months. getting a new PDA was the breath of fresh air I needed. the
    only problem is that the only decent Nokia, with the Bluetooth needed to
    make the PDA worthwhile, is the smartphone series, so many of the features
    are duplicated. However, I wouldn't take a PDA to a nightclub with me, but I
    wouldn't go without a phone. so for the time being, I need 2 separate
    devices.

    the small low quality phone screen and hideously bad text entry make phones
    a bad replacement, but a PDA is not something that is comfortable to hold
    against my ear.

    Martin Crosbie





  3. #3
    issie
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    Re: Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)

    just been checking out the sendo x spec, it kills the nokia 6600
    its can even sync with my outlook inbox.

    another phone to watch out for is the sony p900

    As far as my ipaq 3660 is concerned all i do on it is read my avantgo news channels

    which you can now get on the symbian phones.



  4. #4
    Martin Crosbie
    Guest

    Re: Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)


    "issie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > just been checking out the sendo x spec, it kills the nokia 6600
    > its can even sync with my outlook inbox.
    >
    > another phone to watch out for is the sony p900
    >
    > As far as my ipaq 3660 is concerned all i do on it is read my avantgo news

    channels
    >
    > which you can now get on the symbian phones.


    yes, but the screen size, and ease of use alone are enough to warrant the
    PDA IMO. a PDA with a GSM CF card, and a BT headset are still much better
    than smartphones alone. Symbian is no match for windows yet, and I can't
    really see it ever will be. a PDA is vastly superior for text entry, and
    readability. the screen on my 3650 is far beyond my 6510, but still cramped
    and low quality compared to my PDA.

    Convergence between the two device has to happen, and already is, but so far
    I haven't really liked any of the solutions. I think the MS smartphone OS
    has to be the market leader here. I don't want to just synch my outlook DB
    to the phone, I want to use outlook on the phone. we are still a long way
    off the Microsoft strategy of 'do anything, with any computing device' I
    like the idea of such a goal, but advanced as smartphones are, the computing
    power and compatibility is still a long way behind a windows pocket PC. the
    annoying feature lost in the current series 60 range is the document
    compatibility. the 9xxx series could do so much more. if anything the newer
    smartphones are dumbed down. they are geared towards the wrong thing. there
    is no point having full blown MMS capabilities and a half assed email
    client, when a decent email client could handle anything MMS can do and
    more - MMS is a toy designed to get us to send expensive messages. why
    couldn't we have just used email as a file transfer protocol for the image?
    WAP has always been a gimmick, but now even more so. it's still nothing
    compared to proper HTML, which is entirely possible on these devices, but
    like email/MMS, the lesser technology is the more heavily supported. (shades
    of betamax)

    Portable productivity needs a PDA, but to be used effectively, the PDA needs
    a mobile internet connection, and we ourselves need the communications of a
    phone line. both of these need a long range wireless network, which for now
    at least has to be the existing cellular network. wi-fi hotspots are not the
    answer, they are too few, and too short range (no use if you need to call
    the AA to the middle of nowhere). catch 22. we need the phone line of the
    cellphone, and any decent phone is going to duplicate many of the functions
    of the PDA, resulting in a bigger, more expensive phone than we may need.

    Largely this will need to sit with the masses, and let sales and society
    decide. unfortunately not enough people even know of PDA's to know of the
    alternative to a smartphone. If I pull my phone out to write an email in the
    middle of a pub, no one would bat an eyelid, but if I try and do the same
    task on my PDA, half a dozen people ask me 'what on earth is that'. I'm
    afraid that the public will vote for smartphones, and hence we will be left
    with again the lesser of two technologies.

    Martin Crosbie





  5. #5
    asta
    Guest

    Re: Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)

    hi!!!

    well, to me a phone is a phone with voice capabilities
    and with good datacomm capabilities.

    using it for voice, the phone can be small and doesn't
    need colour screens and other multimedia playthings.

    when using it for datacomm, i connect the phone to my
    laptop with bluetooth for serious use of the net and to
    have a decent keyboard and display.

    anything between these is a waste of time and a too big
    compromise.
    (anyone see why wap never catched on? i put up a small
    wapsite on my server just for fun and to see if it's any
    good. no, it isn't...)

    thus i'm (still) waiting for faster datacomm. i manage
    well with gprs for mail and newsreading with 42 kb/s,
    but for netsurfing i'd love to have a faster connection.
    in our country it seems we'll have to wait until next
    year before we get umts, which can give almost 400 kb/s
    (on a good day!), which is more than adekvat for
    netsurfing on travelling foot.(at home i have 1Mb/s). oh
    yes, there are a few experimental umts sites of course
    but not much for the public.

    i see in the papers, nokia sold 400.000 n-gage phones
    the first two weeks so i suppose fancy playthings have
    their audience too...:-)

    cheers,

    asta

    "Martin Crosbie"
    > "issie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > just been checking out the sendo x spec, it kills

    the nokia 6600
    > > its can even sync with my outlook inbox.
    > >
    > > another phone to watch out for is the sony p900
    > >
    > > As far as my ipaq 3660 is concerned all i do on it

    is read my avantgo news
    > channels
    > >
    > > which you can now get on the symbian phones.

    >
    > yes, but the screen size, and ease of use alone are

    enough to warrant the
    > PDA IMO. a PDA with a GSM CF card, and a BT headset

    are still much better
    > than smartphones alone. Symbian is no match for

    windows yet, and I can't
    > really see it ever will be. a PDA is vastly superior

    for text entry, and
    > readability. the screen on my 3650 is far beyond my

    6510, but still cramped
    > and low quality compared to my PDA.
    >
    > Convergence between the two device has to happen, and

    already is, but so far
    > I haven't really liked any of the solutions. I think

    the MS smartphone OS
    > has to be the market leader here. I don't want to just

    synch my outlook DB
    > to the phone, I want to use outlook on the phone. we

    are still a long way
    > off the Microsoft strategy of 'do anything, with any

    computing device' I
    > like the idea of such a goal, but advanced as

    smartphones are, the computing
    > power and compatibility is still a long way behind a

    windows pocket PC. the
    > annoying feature lost in the current series 60 range

    is the document
    > compatibility. the 9xxx series could do so much more.

    if anything the newer
    > smartphones are dumbed down. they are geared towards

    the wrong thing. there
    > is no point having full blown MMS capabilities and a

    half assed email
    > client, when a decent email client could handle

    anything MMS can do and
    > more - MMS is a toy designed to get us to send

    expensive messages. why
    > couldn't we have just used email as a file transfer

    protocol for the image?
    > WAP has always been a gimmick, but now even more so.

    it's still nothing
    > compared to proper HTML, which is entirely possible on

    these devices, but
    > like email/MMS, the lesser technology is the more

    heavily supported. (shades
    > of betamax)
    >
    > Portable productivity needs a PDA, but to be used

    effectively, the PDA needs
    > a mobile internet connection, and we ourselves need

    the communications of a
    > phone line. both of these need a long range wireless

    network, which for now
    > at least has to be the existing cellular network.

    wi-fi hotspots are not the
    > answer, they are too few, and too short range (no use

    if you need to call
    > the AA to the middle of nowhere). catch 22. we need

    the phone line of the
    > cellphone, and any decent phone is going to duplicate

    many of the functions
    > of the PDA, resulting in a bigger, more expensive

    phone than we may need.
    >
    > Largely this will need to sit with the masses, and let

    sales and society
    > decide. unfortunately not enough people even know of

    PDA's to know of the
    > alternative to a smartphone. If I pull my phone out to

    write an email in the
    > middle of a pub, no one would bat an eyelid, but if I

    try and do the same
    > task on my PDA, half a dozen people ask me 'what on

    earth is that'. I'm
    > afraid that the public will vote for smartphones, and

    hence we will be left
    > with again the lesser of two technologies.
    >
    > Martin Crosbie






  6. #6
    Martin Crosbie
    Guest

    Re: Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)


    "asta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > hi!!!
    >
    > well, to me a phone is a phone with voice capabilities
    > and with good datacomm capabilities.
    >
    > using it for voice, the phone can be small and doesn't
    > need colour screens and other multimedia playthings.


    A colour screen is at least far more readable, and generally bettter quality
    than a mono one. I need a phone that can at least do something towards the
    internet / multimedia. If I go out to a nightclub for example, I don't have
    the pockets to carry a PDA aswell, and wouldn't particularly want to risk
    the unit, but I still want to be able to show a friend a video, or picture.

    > when using it for datacomm, i connect the phone to my
    > laptop with bluetooth for serious use of the net and to
    > have a decent keyboard and display.
    >
    > anything between these is a waste of time and a too big
    > compromise.
    > (anyone see why wap never catched on? i put up a small
    > wapsite on my server just for fun and to see if it's any
    > good. no, it isn't...)


    WAP was far to small, and even now relies on WAP specific content, which
    everyone seems reluctant to provide. I've never seen a bank offering
    internet banking by WAP, even though nearly all offer an internet service.
    there is much it could do, but no-one will let it, and certainly now, when
    we have devices that are more than capable of giving us full HTML
    capabilities, there is no point including it, but we still have WAP its a
    waste.

    >
    > thus i'm (still) waiting for faster datacomm. i manage
    > well with gprs for mail and newsreading with 42 kb/s,
    > but for netsurfing i'd love to have a faster connection.
    > in our country it seems we'll have to wait until next
    > year before we get umts, which can give almost 400 kb/s
    > (on a good day!), which is more than adekvat for
    > netsurfing on travelling foot.(at home i have 1Mb/s). oh
    > yes, there are a few experimental umts sites of course
    > but not much for the public.


    In the UK, 3G is available here and now, but with a limited coverage area.
    but only on one network. thats been available for a year, but still the
    other networks have issued nothing to compete, and there are no nokia's that
    are suitable for such a network.

    > i see in the papers, nokia sold 400.000 n-gage phones
    > the first two weeks so i suppose fancy playthings have
    > their audience too...:-)


    unfortunately the general public always seems to choose the lesser option,
    and the compaines seem very reluctant to try and increase public awareness
    on newer technologies. and even when they do, it's in such a fashion that it
    'looks' too expensive, and joe bloggs ignores it as a gimmick.

    Martin Crosbie






  7. #7
    issie
    Guest

    Re: Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)

    going back to my initial query
    i found a software which seems quit good called mobipocket
    it looks like i can sync just about everything using this software.
    http://www.mobipocket.com

    i havent tried it yet



  8. #8
    Chanchao
    Guest

    Re: Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)

    On 23 Oct 2003 04:07:51 -0700, [email protected] (issie) wrote some stuff
    about "Re: Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)", to which I
    would like to add the following:

    >just been checking out the sendo x spec, it kills the nokia 6600
    >its can even sync with my outlook inbox.
    >
    >another phone to watch out for is the sony p900
    >
    >As far as my ipaq 3660 is concerned all i do on it is read my avantgo news channels


    You do know that there's AvantGo for Nokia Symbian phones as well right? A
    bit slowish but it does work.

    Cheers,
    Chanchao



  9. #9
    Chanchao
    Guest

    Re: Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)

    On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:21:04 +0100, "Martin Crosbie"
    <[email protected]> wrote some stuff about "Re: Nokia 6600
    ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)", to which I would like to add the
    following:

    >there is no point having full blown MMS capabilities and a half assed email
    >client, when a decent email client could handle anything MMS can do and
    >more - MMS is a toy designed to get us to send expensive messages.


    Hear hear.. :-) My thoughts exactly.

    >why couldn't we have just used email as a file transfer protocol for the image?
    >WAP has always been a gimmick, but now even more so. it's still nothing
    >compared to proper HTML, which is entirely possible on these devices, but
    >like email/MMS, the lesser technology is the more heavily supported. (shades
    >of betamax)


    Yes.. but.. WAP is quite a bit cheaper to use in terms of kilobytes
    transmitted. You could check the latest news or scores on BBC's wap site
    using quite a bit less kilobytes ($$$) compared to a regular web site. While
    the Opera browser (6.1, released VERY recently) has no trouble displaying a
    site like CNN.com in full, it's rather costly.

    >Largely this will need to sit with the masses, and let sales and society
    >decide. unfortunately not enough people even know of PDA's to know of the
    >alternative to a smartphone. If I pull my phone out to write an email in the
    >middle of a pub, no one would bat an eyelid, but if I try and do the same
    >task on my PDA, half a dozen people ask me 'what on earth is that'.


    Yes.. but.. if you flip out your phone during a business meeting to make some
    notes then everyone is like 'what on earth are you toying around with your
    phone for'. With a PDA on the other hand it's more accepted, and common, to be
    taking notes using one.

    Cheers,
    Chanchao



  10. #10
    issie
    Guest

    Re: Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)

    yes am aware that there is avantgo for the symbian phones, but it
    doesn't let me save my fav channels on the mmc card which the
    mobipocket does.

    arrr just to tell you all i have now managed port my music listing
    7,000 songs which was in excel format to a database like html on my
    phone, very very usful
    when iam in a record store to check if i have a paticular song.



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