Is Bluetooth in a Nokia phone a good thinr or not?

Would I be making a wise move to get Bluetooth in my
next Nokia phone?

John

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> Would I be making a wise move to get Bluetooth in my
> next Nokia phone?
>
> John

Yes. I find it useful for phone sync to PC and handsfree.

>> Would I be making a wise move to get Bluetooth in my
>> next Nokia phone?
>>
>> John
>
>Yes. I find it useful for phone sync to PC and handsfree.

Is it "reliable" tho?

Or is it something that constantly needs "fiddling"
with?

John

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> >> Would I be making a wise move to get Bluetooth in my
> >> next Nokia phone?
> >>
> >> John
> >
> >Yes. I find it useful for phone sync to PC and handsfree.
>
> Is it "reliable" tho?
>
> Or is it something that constantly needs "fiddling"
> with?

Nokia have gone out of their way to ensure it is incompatible with as much
as possible. PC BT adaptors are the worst. Nokia hate 'open standards'
mostly this refers to the nokia PC suite - with most third party software it
will work fine. That said, once running, it should run fine, there is plenty
of tips and guides floating through this group- it's mostly a case of
picking the right adaptor.

For headset use, its fantastic, and for use with a PDA its even better.
Swapping pictures and other files with friends is so much easier.

There is no reason to buy a phone without bluetooth, since none come with
WiFi, to which BT is usually compared. bluetooth is better for phone
purposes, since it only occupies your 'personal space'. it's only meant as a
temporary link, not as a networking standard.

ignore the 7650's listing as 'bluetooth'. IMO it isn't, since it will not
support headsets, such a major thing to leave out for no reason, one of
nokia's most heinous crimes.

the 3650 is good, but wait for a 3660, or 6600 - the odd keypad is useable,
but only barely, and the screens on the other two are much better. note also
that the 3650 only supports handsfree profile headsets, not headset
profiles, so you are limited in your headset choice, but there are still
plenty out there.

the 6310i is good now nokia have sorted the seriously dire compatibility
issues, but its the oldest phone of the bunch. and the least capable. budget
only.

The 8910i is the mother of style, but, like the 6310i, only if you use it
with a PDA, since neither phone can accomplish much on its own.

I haven't BT'd my PC yet (win98 only) but I have had no problems using my
3650 with a HDW-2 headset and an IPAQ 2210. I don't recommend the HDW-2
though - serious deign flaws in the ear mean they break very easily. try an
SE HBH-60, or the Jabra BT200 is popular.

HTH
Martin Crosbie.

Hi,

Martin, about the Jabra BT200 paired to a Nokia 6310i
with V5.5 firmware. I cannot get the headset to hang-up calls I make that
are not answered.(I posted to alt.cellular.bluetooth before I saw this
thread)
You seem like a knowlegable bloke, any ideas??

cheers!

NightLight

"NightLight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> Martin, about the Jabra BT200 paired to a Nokia 6310i
> with V5.5 firmware. I cannot get the headset to hang-up calls I make that
> are not answered.(I posted to alt.cellular.bluetooth before I saw this
> thread)
> You seem like a knowlegable bloke, any ideas??

Thanks.

I guess it's a standard nokia thing, the same happens with my 3650 / HDW-2.
Can't see any reason for this to be by design, but then there is little that
nokia seem to be doing that makes sense. Maybe it's to encourage us to leave
voicemails so someone gets charged more, wouldn't surprise me.

Martin Crosbie

>I haven't BT'd my PC yet (win98 only) but I have had no problems using my
>3650 with a HDW-2 headset and an IPAQ 2210.

Cool!!

Thanks Martin.... very good info!

And Im glad to see you are having success using a BT
phone with your iPaq 2210..... as Im in the market for
a PPC as well and looking at the 2210.

Tell me tho.... what cool things can you do with a BT
phone and the iPaq 2210?

John

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >I haven't BT'd my PC yet (win98 only) but I have had no problems using my
> >3650 with a HDW-2 headset and an IPAQ 2210.
>
> Cool!!
>
> Thanks Martin.... very good info!
>
> And Im glad to see you are having success using a BT
> phone with your iPaq 2210..... as Im in the market for
> a PPC as well and looking at the 2210.
>
> Tell me tho.... what cool things can you do with a BT
> phone and the iPaq 2210?

THE NET.

had no problems using pocket internet and pocket outlook inbox. a proper
pop3 email and full internet browser. the two connected quite happily, using
UK Voda's auto setup software. some of the PPC connection options can get
confusing, but BT wise, the two link together nicely.

I recently offered to put some ringtones etc onto a friends phone (SE T610)
via my PC, but then found that my IR port had suffered a few wires coming
loose. but easily put the files onto the 2210 (USB cradle), and BT'd them
across no hassle. compatibility is no problem.

using pocket outlook, you can select a contact, click 'dial via BT' and the
phone starts to dial the selected number. a little pointless as most people
with a PDA will sync their phone with the same contact DB, but none the less
very cool. using the PDA I can browse an SE phone's file system, but not
with a nokia. I don't know if this is a security option, but selecting
'explore' on the PDA results in nothing but a blank directory with the
nokia. sending files from the phone works happily, I haven't tried to get a
..3gp video codec for the PDA yet, but video look bad enough on the nokia
screen, without putting it on a good screen :-)

The Ipaq 2210 comes well recommended from me. it's very small compared to
the rest of the Ipaq range, but includes both SDIO / CF slots and BT. it
does lack in terms of WiFi, but this is easily added through the expansion
slots, only way to get both costs a lot more. BT is the more important
standard at this level- no phone/portable comms device includes WiFi, and it
works seamlessly. it won't pair with my HDW-2 (no audio profiles) but thats
no biggie IMO. Audio on the unit is great anyway, it doubles as my MP3
player happily. I've not used BT on my PC yet (only a win98 machine til jan,
not worth toying with) but if it's as simple as IR/USB it will be no
problem.

The Ipaq came with built in drivers for some SE phones. but no nokia stuff.
the generic one presented no problems though despite nokia's efforts to the
contrary.

"Martin Crosbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<snip>
> Nokia have gone out of their way to ensure it is incompatible with as much
> as possible. PC BT adaptors are the worst. Nokia hate 'open standards'
> mostly this refers to the nokia PC suite - with most third party software
it
> will work fine. That said, once running, it should run fine, there is
plenty
> of tips and guides floating through this group- it's mostly a case of
> picking the right adaptor.

Here, here. Been there, suffered with that (6310i), but overall, more
benefits than hassle. *If* nokia manage to sort out their "issues" with open
standards, then well worth it. Else I've heard nice things about
SonyEricsson's bluetooth implementation.

> For headset use, its fantastic, and for use with a PDA its even better.
> Swapping pictures and other files with friends is so much easier.

Great for car handsfree kit too (I don't even have to remember to take the
thing out of my pocket and its connected). Again though, I think other
handset manufacturers have made this a bit more user-friendly (Nokia
handsets only support 10 voice tags; others seem to allow separate voice
tags - lots of them - and voice functions stored in the handsfree kit).
Don't know how well they work though.

<snip>
> the 6310i is good now nokia have sorted the seriously dire compatibility
> issues, but its the oldest phone of the bunch. and the least capable.
budget
> only.
<snip>

Definitely, also has the longest battery life I've ever had in a nokia
phone. Great as a phone, but *just* as a phone; very little "extras" and no
colour screen :-( . Still the favourite phone I've owned though (I can do
anything else I need with my PDA)! Only need to charge the bugger once a
week!

> The Ipaq 2210 comes well recommended from me. it's very small compared to
> the rest of the Ipaq range, but includes both SDIO / CF slots and BT. it
> does lack in terms of WiFi, but this is easily added through the expansion
> slots, only way to get both costs a lot more. BT is the more important
> standard at this level- no phone/portable comms device includes WiFi, and
it
> works seamlessly. it won't pair with my HDW-2 (no audio profiles) but
thats
> no biggie IMO. Audio on the unit is great anyway, it doubles as my MP3
> player happily.

I also use a Ipaq 2210 with a Nokia (n-gage) and I can confirm that it works
great. BT and Wifi seem to work happily together on the 2210 even though
they share the same spectrum.

There is a headset patch available from http://www.pocketkai.de/ if you
want to use your BT headset with the 2210.

>The Ipaq 2210 comes well recommended from me. it's very small compared to
>the rest of the Ipaq range, but includes both SDIO / CF slots and BT. it
>does lack in terms of WiFi, but this is easily added through the expansion
>slots, only way to get both costs a lot more. BT is the more important
>standard at this level- no phone/portable comms device includes WiFi, and it
>works seamlessly. it won't pair with my HDW-2 (no audio profiles) but thats
>no biggie IMO. Audio on the unit is great anyway, it doubles as my MP3
>player happily. I've not used BT on my PC yet (only a win98 machine til jan,
>not worth toying with) but if it's as simple as IR/USB it will be no
>problem.

OK Martin thanks for the info on the IPaq 2210

Actually..... the reason I posted here abt BT in a cell
phone... was to make a decision abt whether to get BT
in a PocketPC

Im actually in the market for a PPC right now.... not a
cell phone.... but I was curious if BT in a cell phone
was as nice to have as it appeared to be in a PPC.

Question..... do you think buying a PPC with BT "built
in" is better than trying to add it on via a CF card?

Is built in BT more reliable.... better?

John

>The Ipaq 2210 comes well recommended from me. it's very small compared to
>the rest of the Ipaq range, but includes both SDIO / CF slots and BT

Question......

Do you think CF slots are dying out? To be replaced
with SD slots?

I keep noticing as Im shopping for PockePCs that SD
slots are fairly prevalent.... but that CF slots are
getting hard to find.

If the answers is yes that CF slots are dying.... why
is that?

Is SD a better size or performance or something?

John

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >The Ipaq 2210 comes well recommended from me. it's very small compared to
> >the rest of the Ipaq range, but includes both SDIO / CF slots and BT
>
> Question......
>
> Do you think CF slots are dying out? To be replaced
> with SD slots?
>
> I keep noticing as Im shopping for PockePCs that SD
> slots are fairly prevalent.... but that CF slots are
> getting hard to find.
>
> If the answers is yes that CF slots are dying.... why
> is that?

SD cards are tiny, and so easier to incorporate. a CF slot is relatively
large.

CF is far from dying out IMO. My 2210 has both. there are many more CF
expansion cards than there are SDIO. Personally I plan on using the SD slot
as removable storage, and the CF slot as expansion. and SD card is small
enough to make it difficult to build something's, until nanotech comes of
age, there will never be a SD hard drive, but CF hard drives currently go up
to 4GB, even though you can get a memory CF card up to 3GB (for £900!!!!).
take a look at www.expansys.com, and look at the range of BT, WiFi, GPS,
expansion cards, and count how many there are of each. CF is the expansion
weapon of choice.

Personally I find BT more important to have built in, unless you really are
going to be wandering around your office or home trying to access you
network (in which case go WiFi). BT is all about linking portable devices
together, there are no mobile phones with WiFi, but many with BT. the 3
prime functions for BT in a PDA are, 1 sync to desktop PC. 2 Modem link to
cell phone. 3 Quick file / business card transfer to the bloke next to you.
this is not the kind of activity WiFi was meant for.

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More info Martin,

I took the Jabra back and got a Plantronics M3000.
Works like a charm! hangs up unanswered calls no problem.
I've let Jabra know as well, gotta be a firmware bug if the M3000 works eh?

NightLight

"Martin Crosbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "NightLight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Martin, about the Jabra BT200 paired to a Nokia 6310i
> > with V5.5 firmware. I cannot get the headset to hang-up calls I make
that
> > are not answered.(I posted to alt.cellular.bluetooth before I saw this
> > thread)
> > You seem like a knowlegable bloke, any ideas??
>
> Thanks.
>
> I guess it's a standard nokia thing, the same happens with my 3650 /
HDW-2.
> Can't see any reason for this to be by design, but then there is little
that
> nokia seem to be doing that makes sense. Maybe it's to encourage us to
leave
> voicemails so someone gets charged more, wouldn't surprise me.
>
> Martin Crosbie
>
>

"NightLight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> More info Martin,
>
> I took the Jabra back and got a Plantronics M3000.
> Works like a charm! hangs up unanswered calls no problem.
> I've let Jabra know as well, gotta be a firmware bug if the M3000 works
eh?

Hmm, I'd more expect it to be a nokia problem, but then, surely it would not
be a problem with my HDW-2, but then, it wouldn't surprise me if a nokia
accessory wasn't compatible - they go out of their way to make their
products incompatible with everyone else's, so why not their own?

Martin Crosbie