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  1. #1
    DSL GURU
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    AT&T, Cingular, and TMobile now all have plans where a family can have 2 phones
    sharing 500 or more anytime minutes for $49.99/month, and $10/month or less for
    each additonal phone.

    The lowest price SprintPCS plan is a pre-WLNP plan at $35 for 300 minutes, and
    if they let you use Share a Phone with it, you'd be paying $55/month for 300
    minutes or $65 for 500 minutes, ($45 for 500 minutes plus $20 for 2nd phone and
    $20 more for each additional phone), clearly more expensive than their
    competition.

    How can SprintPCS expect to be attracting customers when unlike former times,
    they are not the value leader?



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    O/Siris
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??

    In article <[email protected]>,=20
    DSL [email protected] says...
    > How can SprintPCS expect to be attracting customers when unlike former ti=

    mes,
    > they are not the value leader?
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    SPCS has never put being "The Value Leader" as a primary=20
    focus. Let everyone else fight for having the lowest=20
    price. That fight doesn't really have a winner (not even=20
    the customer, if it breaks the company).

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    O/Siris
    I work for SprintPCS
    I *don't* speak for them.



  3. #3
    DSL GURU
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??

    SPCS has never put being "The Value Leader" as a primary=20
    focus. Let everyone else fight for having the lowest=20
    price. That fight doesn't really have a winner (not even=20
    the customer, if it breaks the company).
    ===============================
    Some companies value market share, which sometimes can more effect their
    ultimate survival than quarterly profits. Thats why SprintPCS' current loses
    are so troubling. They're also losing market share.



  4. #4
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??


    "DSL GURU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > AT&T, Cingular, and TMobile now all have plans where a family can have 2

    phones
    > sharing 500 or more anytime minutes for $49.99/month, and $10/month or

    less for
    > each additonal phone.
    >
    > The lowest price SprintPCS plan is a pre-WLNP plan at $35 for 300 minutes,

    and
    > if they let you use Share a Phone with it, you'd be paying $55/month for

    300
    > minutes or $65 for 500 minutes, ($45 for 500 minutes plus $20 for 2nd

    phone and
    > $20 more for each additional phone), clearly more expensive than their
    > competition.
    >
    > How can SprintPCS expect to be attracting customers when unlike former

    times,
    > they are not the value leader?


    To be honest, I think Sprint's real competition is with Verizon. AT&T is
    competition in the sense that it is another national carrier, but right now,
    they don't offer quality and reliability on the same phone (TDMA voice
    stinks and GSM coverage is horrible at a nationwide scope). In both of
    these areas I thing Sprint is the industry leader with F&CA. They haven't
    really pushed the plan in their marketing, so perhaps it is less of a money
    maker then it is a retention plan (and it is working as the latter for me).

    Frankly, I believe that WLNP is way over hyped. People can take their
    number with them when they leave, but I don't think that it will do alot for
    overall numbers of customers. It may cause a spike in churn because of the
    few who didn't leave because they don't want to change phone numbers, but
    that will ease off within about one year (two at the most as a full round of
    contracts will have expired). I think a true advantage to the customer will
    come when a phone will work with any carrier as is the case in Europe. The
    days of proprietary phones needs to end. Software can differ, but the
    phones should be compatible between providers. Perhaps WCDMA will finally
    help make this a reality.

    Tom Veldhouse






  5. #5
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??


    "DSL GURU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > ===============================
    > Some companies value market share, which sometimes can more effect their
    > ultimate survival than quarterly profits. Thats why SprintPCS' current

    loses
    > are so troubling. They're also losing market share.


    You need to look at it on an annual basis, not a monthly or quarterly basis.
    Further, the recent [3 year] economy has skewed the numbers badly. Check
    back on year from now and make your evaluation on the success of Sprint PCS.
    The fact that they survived the recent economy with little damage and
    expensive upgrades says a lot about its future success IMHO.

    Tom Veldhouse





  6. #6
    DSL GURU
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??

    Frankly, I believe that WLNP is way over hyped. People can take their number
    with them when they leave, but I don't think that it will do alot for
    overall numbers of customers.
    =========================
    I respectfully disagree. based on what happen in Sweden, England etc when they
    went to number portability, churn rates increased by 50%, and some carriers
    were "winners" and some were "losers"; basically it is assumed that carriers
    with high current churn rates (SprintPCS) are most likely to be losers, while
    carriers with low current churn rates (Verizon, Nextel) are likely to be
    winners. If any carrier pulls a rabbit out the hat in turns of plans, that
    could change. So far we've only seen what I consider relatively small rabbits:
    7 PM nights from SprintPCS, new phone every year from AT&T, phone price drops
    of $100 from Verizon.

    I fully expect after a while when some carriers see their customer case
    shrinking, new plans will be offered that will be "wonderful" from a consumers
    viewpoint by today's standards. And then other carriers may have to bite the
    bullet to match them.

    Thats what happened in the competition between DirecTv and Dish. Originally it
    was $398 for a Receiver and $200 for installation. Now Installation is free,
    and so i are upto 3 receivers.

    The logic is its market share that counts, and a customer you lose money on to
    gain, will be a good cash flow in the future.



  7. #7
    DSL GURU
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??

    The fact that they survived the recent economy with little damage and expensive
    upgrades says a lot about its future success IMHO.
    ====================

    Anyone who bought SprintPCS stock at (or above) its price of $60 a share in
    June of 2000, would likely disagree, seeing its stock languish currently below
    $5 a share.



  8. #8
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??


    "DSL GURU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > The fact that they survived the recent economy with little damage and

    expensive
    > upgrades says a lot about its future success IMHO.
    > ====================
    >
    > Anyone who bought SprintPCS stock at (or above) its price of $60 a share

    in
    > June of 2000, would likely disagree, seeing its stock languish currently

    below
    > $5 a share.


    That is true of many many stocks including Cisco to name a good company.

    Tom Veldhouse





  9. #9
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??


    "DSL GURU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Frankly, I believe that WLNP is way over hyped. People can take their

    number
    > with them when they leave, but I don't think that it will do alot for
    > overall numbers of customers.
    > =========================
    > I respectfully disagree. based on what happen in Sweden, England etc when

    they
    > went to number portability, churn rates increased by 50%, and some

    carriers
    > were "winners" and some were "losers";

    <snip>

    This isn't Sweden or England. Keep in mind that changing carriers also
    requires buying a new phone [in nearly every case]. That is definitely NOT
    true in Sweden or England.

    Tom Veldhouse





  10. #10
    DSL GURU
    Guest

    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??

    This isn't Sweden or England. Keep in mind that changing carriers also
    requires buying a new phone [in nearly every case]. That is definitely NOT
    true in Sweden or England.

    =========================
    EVERY carrier has phones that are available for free with a contract, and Ebay
    is available to sell phones from a former carrier.

    You are engaged in wishful thinking if you dont think WLNP will be traumatic
    for Sprint.

    I for one find GSM phones and their SIM cards attractive. Get a new phone, swap
    SIM cards. No grief with activation or transferring phone books.
    I also would like to have a phone that would work indoors in more places.



  11. #11
    DSL GURU
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??

    That is true of many many stocks including Cisco to name a good company.
    ========================
    Cisco is not facing WLNP.



  12. #12
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??


    "DSL GURU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > That is true of many many stocks including Cisco to name a good company.
    > ========================
    > Cisco is not facing WLNP.


    Circular argument, as I just said I don't think WLNP is going to be a big
    deal.

    Tom Veldhouse





  13. #13
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??


    "DSL GURU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    > You are engaged in wishful thinking if you dont think WLNP will be

    traumatic
    > for Sprint.
    >


    I think you are engaged in spiteful thinking because not only do you think
    it will be hurtful, you are actually trying to make it so.

    For me, I don't believe it will pan out as any big deal.

    > I for one find GSM phones and their SIM cards attractive. Get a new phone,

    swap
    > SIM cards. No grief with activation or transferring phone books.
    > I also would like to have a phone that would work indoors in more places.


    SIMs have the disadvantage of dual memory. By this I mean that if you store
    a phone number in your phonebook, you must choose between storing it on the
    phone or storing it on the SIM. The SIM is usually limitted in how it can
    handle phonebooks (it is not easy to put into a SIM multiple numbers per
    contact as you can in my Samsung A500 phone's memory). There are very few
    GSM carriers in this country that have any service on a band other than PCS,
    and GSM has more trouble with buildings than CDMA due to the weaker error
    correction capabilities of GSM.

    Tom Veldhouse





  14. #14
    Aboutdakota
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??



    Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    > "DSL GURU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    >>AT&T, Cingular, and TMobile now all have plans where a family can have 2

    >
    > phones
    >
    >>sharing 500 or more anytime minutes for $49.99/month, and $10/month or

    >
    > less for
    >
    >>each additonal phone.
    >>
    >>The lowest price SprintPCS plan is a pre-WLNP plan at $35 for 300 minutes,

    >
    > and
    >
    >>if they let you use Share a Phone with it, you'd be paying $55/month for

    >
    > 300
    >
    >>minutes or $65 for 500 minutes, ($45 for 500 minutes plus $20 for 2nd

    >
    > phone and
    >
    >>$20 more for each additional phone), clearly more expensive than their
    >>competition.
    >>
    >>How can SprintPCS expect to be attracting customers when unlike former

    >
    > times,
    >
    >>they are not the value leader?

    >
    >
    > To be honest, I think Sprint's real competition is with Verizon. AT&T is
    > competition in the sense that it is another national carrier, but right now,
    > they don't offer quality and reliability on the same phone (TDMA voice
    > stinks and GSM coverage is horrible at a nationwide scope). In both of
    > these areas I thing Sprint is the industry leader with F&CA. They haven't
    > really pushed the plan in their marketing, so perhaps it is less of a money
    > maker then it is a retention plan (and it is working as the latter for me).
    >
    > Frankly, I believe that WLNP is way over hyped. People can take their
    > number with them when they leave, but I don't think that it will do alot for
    > overall numbers of customers. It may cause a spike in churn because of the
    > few who didn't leave because they don't want to change phone numbers, but
    > that will ease off within about one year (two at the most as a full round of
    > contracts will have expired). I think a true advantage to the customer will
    > come when a phone will work with any carrier as is the case in Europe. The
    > days of proprietary phones needs to end. Software can differ, but the
    > phones should be compatible between providers. Perhaps WCDMA will finally
    > help make this a reality.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse


    I think the days of proprietary phones are not over. I don't think
    WCDMA will help much, because the current CDMA carriers don't seem to
    think much of WCDMA. I think that the days of proprietary phones will
    end when a fully functional SIM will dictate the protocol of the phone,
    and the only thing we will worry about will be frequency. Kind of like
    DirecTV's system. Every now and then, they change out the cards. The
    technology is there, it's just a matter of applying it to mobile phones.

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  15. #15
    Steven J Sobol
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    Re: SprintPCS no longer low priced leader ??

    DSL GURU <[email protected]> wrote:
    > That is true of many many stocks including Cisco to name a good company.
    > ========================
    > Cisco is not facing WLNP.


    Cisco has plenty of competition in all its market segments, though.

    WLNP is going to mess with all but the one or two strongest carriers.

    Maybe. (Even the strongest carriers are far from perfect).

    Given Sprint's track record with customer service and billing issues, it's
    not illogical to think that they might lose a large chunk of the market, but
    it will be very interesting to see how this all plays out in the next 6-12
    months.

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