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  1. #1
    RexYBlue
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    What is it that makes these phones so darned tenacious with holding on
    to a signal? The reception ability of these phones is unparalleled.
    Why? How do they do it?



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  2. #2
    Matt
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    I don't think they are any better than my Samsung. My wife and I just got
    new spcs phones. I got the Samsung VGA100, she got the Sanyo 8100. Last
    week we were driving into an area where we knew we would loose a signal. I
    told her to pull her Sanyo out and to tell me exactly when she lost the
    signal. I watched my Samsung as she watched her Sanyo. My Samsung actually
    held the signal for about 2 seconds longer, which probably only equated to
    about 50 feet at the speed we were driving at the time. The results were
    repeated on our way back through the area, when both of our phones picked
    the signal back up within 1 to 2 seconds of each other as we drove back
    through the area. I don't see this so called advantage by Sanyo, at least
    not over my Samsung.
    Matt

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    > What is it that makes these phones so darned tenacious with holding on
    > to a signal? The reception ability of these phones is unparalleled.
    > Why? How do they do it?
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  3. #3
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    Matt wrote:
    > I don't think they are any better than my Samsung. My wife and I
    > just got new spcs phones. I got the Samsung VGA100, she got the
    > Sanyo 8100. Last week we were driving into an area where we knew we
    > would loose a signal. I told her to pull her Sanyo out and to tell
    > me exactly when she lost the signal. I watched my Samsung as she
    > watched her Sanyo. My Samsung actually held the signal for about 2
    > seconds longer, which probably only equated to about 50 feet at the
    > speed we were driving at the time. The results were repeated on our
    > way back through the area, when both of our phones picked the signal
    > back up within 1 to 2 seconds of each other as we drove back through
    > the area. I don't see this so called advantage by Sanyo, at least
    > not over my Samsung.
    > Matt


    I think that most recent cases of reported superiority of the Sanyo phones
    is simply a matter of the "feel good" effect of more bars displayed on the
    Sanyo than the Samsungs for the same signal.

    Tom Veldhouse





  4. #4
    Clubdeluxe
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    I don't think it's just the "bar effect" with the Sanyo's; they really do
    seem to grab and hang onto a signal. Here in DC, Sprint doesn't have a
    signal in the Metro. With other phones, I would have to wait until I got
    out to the street to get a signal. With my Sanyo 8100, I consistently get a
    useable signal as soon as I hit the bottom of the escalators. If anyone has
    been to the Dupont Circle station, with its unbelievably long escalators,
    getting a signal down there is quite impressive.

    My only complaint with the Sanyo's is that they don't have anywhere near as
    many accessories available as Nokia, Motorola or even Samsung. It doesn't
    help that they keep changing the connectors so that third party developers
    can't keep up.

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Matt wrote:
    > > I don't think they are any better than my Samsung. My wife and I
    > > just got new spcs phones. I got the Samsung VGA100, she got the
    > > Sanyo 8100. Last week we were driving into an area where we knew we
    > > would loose a signal. I told her to pull her Sanyo out and to tell
    > > me exactly when she lost the signal. I watched my Samsung as she
    > > watched her Sanyo. My Samsung actually held the signal for about 2
    > > seconds longer, which probably only equated to about 50 feet at the
    > > speed we were driving at the time. The results were repeated on our
    > > way back through the area, when both of our phones picked the signal
    > > back up within 1 to 2 seconds of each other as we drove back through
    > > the area. I don't see this so called advantage by Sanyo, at least
    > > not over my Samsung.
    > > Matt

    >
    > I think that most recent cases of reported superiority of the Sanyo phones
    > is simply a matter of the "feel good" effect of more bars displayed on the
    > Sanyo than the Samsungs for the same signal.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse
    >
    >






  5. #5
    JAC
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    Re: Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    They are definitely better than older Samsungs. I don't know about
    the VGA100, but my coworker has a Samsung and when we travel together,
    the reception different is remarkable.

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:14:33 GMT, "Matt"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I don't think they are any better than my Samsung. My wife and I just got
    >new spcs phones. I got the Samsung VGA100, she got the Sanyo 8100. Last
    >week we were driving into an area where we knew we would loose a signal. I
    >told her to pull her Sanyo out and to tell me exactly when she lost the
    >signal. I watched my Samsung as she watched her Sanyo. My Samsung actually
    >held the signal for about 2 seconds longer, which probably only equated to
    >about 50 feet at the speed we were driving at the time. The results were
    >repeated on our way back through the area, when both of our phones picked
    >the signal back up within 1 to 2 seconds of each other as we drove back
    >through the area. I don't see this so called advantage by Sanyo, at least
    >not over my Samsung.
    >Matt
    >
    >"RexYBlue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> What is it that makes these phones so darned tenacious with holding on
    >> to a signal? The reception ability of these phones is unparalleled.
    >> Why? How do they do it?
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    John R. Copeland
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    I'd guess Sanyo's performance edge might be a combination of small =
    things.
    One small feature on some (not all) Sanyo phones is the dual antenna.
    Some Sanyos have a resonant helical stub atop their pull-out antenna,
    which is separately excited by its own little metal sleeve when in the =
    retracted position.

    The tiny stub is less efficient than the extended antenna, but it is =
    better than
    the ordinary *retracted* antennas not equipped with the extra stub.
    ---JRC---

    "Clubdeluxe" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
    news:[email protected]
    > I don't think it's just the "bar effect" with the Sanyo's; they really =

    do
    > seem to grab and hang onto a signal. Here in DC, Sprint doesn't have =

    a
    > signal in the Metro. With other phones, I would have to wait until I =

    got
    > out to the street to get a signal. With my Sanyo 8100, I consistently =

    get a
    > useable signal as soon as I hit the bottom of the escalators. If =

    anyone has
    > been to the Dupont Circle station, with its unbelievably long =

    escalators,
    > getting a signal down there is quite impressive.
    >=20
    > My only complaint with the Sanyo's is that they don't have anywhere =

    near as
    > many accessories available as Nokia, Motorola or even Samsung. It =

    doesn't
    > help that they keep changing the connectors so that third party =

    developers
    > can't keep up.
    >=20
    > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > Matt wrote:
    > > > I don't think they are any better than my Samsung. My wife and I
    > > > just got new spcs phones. I got the Samsung VGA100, she got the
    > > > Sanyo 8100. Last week we were driving into an area where we knew =

    we
    > > > would loose a signal. I told her to pull her Sanyo out and to =

    tell
    > > > me exactly when she lost the signal. I watched my Samsung as she
    > > > watched her Sanyo. My Samsung actually held the signal for about =

    2
    > > > seconds longer, which probably only equated to about 50 feet at =

    the
    > > > speed we were driving at the time. The results were repeated on =

    our
    > > > way back through the area, when both of our phones picked the =

    signal
    > > > back up within 1 to 2 seconds of each other as we drove back =

    through
    > > > the area. I don't see this so called advantage by Sanyo, at least
    > > > not over my Samsung.
    > > > Matt

    > >
    > > I think that most recent cases of reported superiority of the Sanyo =

    phones
    > > is simply a matter of the "feel good" effect of more bars displayed =

    on the
    > > Sanyo than the Samsungs for the same signal.
    > >
    > > Tom Veldhouse
    > >
    > >

    >=20
    >




  7. #7
    Isaiah Beard
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

    >
    > I think that most recent cases of reported superiority of the Sanyo phones
    > is simply a matter of the "feel good" effect of more bars displayed on the
    > Sanyo than the Samsungs for the same signal.


    I'd have to disagree with that. I tried a Samsung VGA1000 recently, and
    my experience with it lasted all of a weekend. It dropped the call to
    *2 to activate it, twice, in an area where my old Sanyo 8100 (and the
    4900 before it) could reliably pulling in a 3-bar signal and ever once
    drop the call. And from there, it was just dropping calls all weekend.
    It was rare that I could complete a conversation (lasting maybe 5 to
    10 minutes at most) without losing the signal. This in Central NJ where
    Sprint coverage is actually quite good.

    The last straw was on Sunday when I was in a shopping center UNDERNEATH
    a Sprint cell tower (I know for a fact it's a Sprint tower, I verified
    its location on Sprintsites.com) and my call to someone started cutting
    out. It didn't drop, but it was cutting out like crazy. I couldn't
    stand it and my next stop was to the Best Buy where I bought the phone
    to return it. That evening I was back on my 8100 and once again had no
    problems.

    This is pretty much similar to the experiences I've had with a lot of
    Samsung phones. I've given them many chances, from the N200, to the
    N400, and an A400 when Vision first came out. All were plagued with
    various problems... mainly signal-holding issues, but also software
    glitches, overheating during a call, and poor audio quality from the
    earpiece. Not to mention every Samsung I've held in my hands has this
    aura of CHEAP construction about them.

    That said, Sanyos do perform better than Samsungs in many respects, at
    least based on my experiences. It may not be that Sanyo is anything
    special in being able to pull a weak signal from the air... rather, it
    may just be that Samsungs are exceptionally BAD at pulling even STRONG
    signals out of the air. This seems to be borne out by the fact that
    Nokias are also getting good reviews, and I haven't too many bad things
    about the LG models.


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  8. #8
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    Isaiah Beard wrote:

    <snipped>

    Perhaps your trouble was that the particular phone you were using was
    defective rather than Sanyo's being somehow magically superior. Granted,
    historically, Sanyos have had better performance, mostly due to more modern
    CDMA chipsets in them and probably better materials for the case and
    antenna. However, since the release of the Samsung A600 and A620 (VGA1000),
    the reports have been overwhelmingly positive about reception ... in
    particular compared to that of the Sanyo. Again, judging by reports I have
    read here and on some other locations, the reception has been just as good
    with the Samsungs (although the bars are known to read lower than the
    Sanyos).

    Tom Veldhouse





  9. #9
    Matt
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    Sorry Isaiah, but if your Samsung VGA1000 was "cutting-out" underneath a
    sprint tower, then your phone was defective. Simple as that.
    you should have returned it for a properly working model.
    good luck to you.
    Matt

    "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > I think that most recent cases of reported superiority of the Sanyo

    phones
    > > is simply a matter of the "feel good" effect of more bars displayed on

    the
    > > Sanyo than the Samsungs for the same signal.

    >
    > I'd have to disagree with that. I tried a Samsung VGA1000 recently, and
    > my experience with it lasted all of a weekend. It dropped the call to
    > *2 to activate it, twice, in an area where my old Sanyo 8100 (and the
    > 4900 before it) could reliably pulling in a 3-bar signal and ever once
    > drop the call. And from there, it was just dropping calls all weekend.
    > It was rare that I could complete a conversation (lasting maybe 5 to
    > 10 minutes at most) without losing the signal. This in Central NJ where
    > Sprint coverage is actually quite good.
    >
    > The last straw was on Sunday when I was in a shopping center UNDERNEATH
    > a Sprint cell tower (I know for a fact it's a Sprint tower, I verified
    > its location on Sprintsites.com) and my call to someone started cutting
    > out. It didn't drop, but it was cutting out like crazy. I couldn't
    > stand it and my next stop was to the Best Buy where I bought the phone
    > to return it. That evening I was back on my 8100 and once again had no
    > problems.
    >
    > This is pretty much similar to the experiences I've had with a lot of
    > Samsung phones. I've given them many chances, from the N200, to the
    > N400, and an A400 when Vision first came out. All were plagued with
    > various problems... mainly signal-holding issues, but also software
    > glitches, overheating during a call, and poor audio quality from the
    > earpiece. Not to mention every Samsung I've held in my hands has this
    > aura of CHEAP construction about them.
    >
    > That said, Sanyos do perform better than Samsungs in many respects, at
    > least based on my experiences. It may not be that Sanyo is anything
    > special in being able to pull a weak signal from the air... rather, it
    > may just be that Samsungs are exceptionally BAD at pulling even STRONG
    > signals out of the air. This seems to be borne out by the fact that
    > Nokias are also getting good reviews, and I haven't too many bad things
    > about the LG models.
    >
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  10. #10
    RexYBlue
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:35:19 -0500, Isaiah Beard
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    >The last straw was on Sunday when I was in a shopping center UNDERNEATH
    >a Sprint cell tower (I know for a fact it's a Sprint tower, I verified
    >its location on Sprintsites.com) and my call to someone started cutting
    >out. It didn't drop, but it was cutting out like crazy. I couldn't
    >stand it and my next stop was to the Best Buy where I bought the phone
    >to return it. That evening I was back on my 8100 and once again had no
    >problems.


    I snipped a lot of your post, but I wonder if you were using an earbud
    or headset when all this happened on the VGA 1000. I tried three of
    these phones before I gave up--ALL had defective headset jacks, and
    the call quality was just as you described. Without the headset, the
    phone was fine. Sanyo's still got 'em all beat with regard to
    reception, in my opinion.



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  11. #11
    ll
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    Matt wrote:
    > I don't see this so called advantage by Sanyo,
    > at least not over my Samsung.


    We agree with you. My wife has a Sanyo 6400 (expensive)
    and I have a Samsung N400 (cheap).

    We moved recently. To get to our house, we have to over
    and then down a *small* hill. We both take this route
    multiple times daily. Her Sanyo drops out *every time*
    on the home-side of the hill. My Samsung *never*
    drops out.

    This surprised me. We both had Sanyo 4500's previously
    and were satisfied with them.

    I believe that both phones have the latest software
    versions. The Samsung N400 was a POC before it got
    the latest software. Since then it has been great.



  12. #12
    Stromm Sarnac
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    In article <ZQCEb.17332$P%[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    > week we were !!!!driving!!!! into an area where we knew we would loose a signal. I
    > told her to pull her Sanyo out and to tell me exactly when she lost the
    > signal. I watched my Samsung as she watched her Sanyo. My Samsung actually



    DUDE. It's people like you that make the cops want to ban cellphone in
    cars period.

    Watch the road, not your phone.



  13. #13
    The Roys
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    Well in my opinion that samsung is junk I had one for a week and it went
    back . I'm sticking with my faithful sanyo 4900 , I thought about upgrading
    but why I don't use the ready link .





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    Central
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:56:06 -0500, Clubdeluxe wrote:

    > I don't think it's just the "bar effect" with the Sanyo's; they really do
    > seem to grab and hang onto a signal. Here in DC, Sprint doesn't have a
    > signal in the Metro. With other phones, I would have to wait until I got
    > out to the street to get a signal. With my Sanyo 8100, I consistently get a
    > useable signal as soon as I hit the bottom of the escalators. If anyone has
    > been to the Dupont Circle station, with its unbelievably long escalators,
    > getting a signal down there is quite impressive.
    >
    > My only complaint with the Sanyo's is that they don't have anywhere near as
    > many accessories available as Nokia, Motorola or even Samsung. It doesn't
    > help that they keep changing the connectors so that third party developers
    > can't keep up.
    >


    I have been there and even at union station on my 4900 I was able to get
    to the red line before I lost my call. Now in my case I bet I roamed over
    to verizon's analog setup(didn't get a roaming sign tho) mid call. As you
    probly know they wired the metro with 800mhz digital/analog. Btw there is
    a nice cyber cafe near dupont circle, believe p st. and 19th st. not sure,
    called cyberstop if I recall :P Great place free wifi access.



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    Isaiah Beard
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    Re: What is it with the Sanyo's?

    Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

    > Isaiah Beard wrote:
    >
    > <snipped>
    >
    > Perhaps your trouble was that the particular phone you were using was
    > defective rather than Sanyo's being somehow magically superior.


    I find it highly unlikely that the Samsung N200, N400, A600, and
    VGA1000's that I've sampled at varies points in time would all just
    happen to be "defective." And there s no "magically superior" about it.
    It's entirely explainable in that perhaps Sanyo just does a better job
    of designing their RF circuitry while Samsung is very willing to cut
    costs in order to increase profit margins and sell an inferior product,
    believing their users won't know the difference.


    > Granted,
    > historically, Sanyos have had better performance, mostly due to more modern
    > CDMA chipsets in them and probably better materials for the case and
    > antenna.


    There you go. You've just managed to explain, completely on your own,
    how a Sanyo can be "magically" superior.

    > However, since the release of the Samsung A600 and A620 (VGA1000),
    > the reports have been overwhelmingly positive about reception ...


    *shrug* I can definitely give you negative reports on both.



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