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  1. #1
    SprintPCS Sucks!!!
    Guest
    So the idiots at SprintPCS have decided to shackle the T608 owners
    with a 3-MB vision cap for $15/month. Everyone can see this is
    completely unreasonable. They have no such limits on phones with
    picture phones and wireless web. Many of these customers get unlimited
    vision for $10/month. In comparison, the t608 owners are being bent
    over and raped by SprintPCS.

    Everyone can see this is not fair. What can be doen to make SprintPCS
    do the right thing and offer unlimited Vision for $10/month to
    SonyEricsson T608 customers too?

    This is like charging a Chevy owner twice as much for Gasoline as a
    Ford owner.

    Why is SprintPCS always trying to rape it's customers like this?

    Why does it have such a double standard when it comes to the Sony
    Ericsson phone. Any idiot can get a data cable and use unlimited
    vision service with all the other piece of **** phones SPCS sells.
    Why can SprintPCS never act with integrity?


    SprintPCS_Sucks
    (We know they'll never stop.)



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  2. #2
    Mike
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608

    Sprint PCS Sucks!!! wrote:
    > So the idiots at SprintPCS have decided to shackle the T608 owners
    > with a 3-MB vision cap for $15/month. Everyone can see this is
    > completely unreasonable. They have no such limits on phones with
    > picture phones and wireless web. Many of these customers get unlimited
    > vision for $10/month. In comparison, the t608 owners are being bent
    > over and raped by SprintPCS.
    >
    > Everyone can see this is not fair. What can be doen to make SprintPCS
    > do the right thing and offer unlimited Vision for $10/month to
    > SonyEricsson T608 customers too?
    >
    > This is like charging a Chevy owner twice as much for Gasoline as a
    > Ford owner.
    >
    > Why is SprintPCS always trying to rape it's customers like this?
    >
    > Why does it have such a double standard when it comes to the Sony
    > Ericsson phone. Any idiot can get a data cable and use unlimited
    > vision service with all the other piece of **** phones SPCS sells.
    > Why can SprintPCS never act with integrity?
    >
    >
    > SprintPCS_Sucks
    > (We know they'll never stop.)


    I hope I'm not feeding a troll.

    Okay, look. Sprint PCS has its little world. It's a bit of a vacuum. Put
    simply, computers use more data than phones. It's hard for a phone to
    use more than a few megabytes in a month, so Sprint gives those devices
    unlimited usage for $10-$15 a month, knowing that "unlimited" is a draw,
    and that they'll seldom have someone move more than a few megabytes.
    Also, because of the terms of service and the fact that they don't sell
    cables, (remember, we're in that vacuum right now) phones cannot be used
    as data devices for laptops. PocketPC devices have fancy media players
    and such, and can use more data than a standard phone, so they pay a
    little more each month. Computers are voracious users, with large hard
    drives, p2p apps, games, and a landline-centric view of bandwidth
    consumption. Because "unlimited" could mean gigabytes of data, Sprint
    offers the data card, and more or less meters (with some exceptions) its
    use. Now, Sprint is offering a device that carves a new (for Sprint)
    niche. It's a phone, but it's officially usable as a data device. I
    suspect 3MB represents typical vision phone user monthly data
    consumption, the idea being that the users that stick with the built-in
    browser won't see a disadvantage in data plan pricing, but heavy users
    and those that use the device for internet access will pay extra for
    their disproportionally higher usage. I'd want to see that number reach
    5MB though.
    -mike




  3. #3
    Jon Clark
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608

    I am feeding a troll, but here goes:

    Put simply, they are selling this phone almost exclusively because of
    increasing pressure to have a bluetooth phone for VOICE device
    compatibility. They neither want, nor care about catering to, data users -
    if it isn't abundantly clear from the 3MB vision plan limit. They are
    artifically capping the vision use on this phone because that isn't the
    taget market for this device at this time.

    All of you people with data tunnel vision: get over it. 95% of cell revenue
    still comes from voice, and the majority of the people who will buy a
    bluetooth phone want it for the headset and automotive hands-free
    capabilities. A small minority care about the unlimited data side. While a
    nice feature for a bluetooth-enabled PDA, it really isn't that much of a
    chore to carry a small data cable if the concern is a laptop, since the vast
    majority of the time, using a laptop with a data-enabled phone is going to
    be something done while stationary.

    Why do you think the phone number to order the T608 is 1-866-PCS-AUTO?

    Think bluetooth-integrated cars - That's the 'killer app' for Bluetooth.

    -Jon


    "SprintPCS Sucks!!!" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > So the idiots at SprintPCS have decided to shackle the T608 owners
    > with a 3-MB vision cap for $15/month. Everyone can see this is
    > completely unreasonable. They have no such limits on phones with
    > picture phones and wireless web. Many of these customers get unlimited
    > vision for $10/month. In comparison, the t608 owners are being bent
    > over and raped by SprintPCS.
    >
    > Everyone can see this is not fair. What can be doen to make SprintPCS
    > do the right thing and offer unlimited Vision for $10/month to
    > SonyEricsson T608 customers too?
    >
    > This is like charging a Chevy owner twice as much for Gasoline as a
    > Ford owner.
    >
    > Why is SprintPCS always trying to rape it's customers like this?
    >
    > Why does it have such a double standard when it comes to the Sony
    > Ericsson phone. Any idiot can get a data cable and use unlimited
    > vision service with all the other piece of **** phones SPCS sells.
    > Why can SprintPCS never act with integrity?
    >
    >
    > SprintPCS_Sucks
    > (We know they'll never stop.)






  4. #4
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608


    "SprintPCS Sucks!!!" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > So the idiots at SprintPCS have decided to shackle the T608 owners
    > with a 3-MB vision cap for $15/month. Everyone can see this is
    > completely unreasonable. They have no such limits on phones with
    > picture phones and wireless web. Many of these customers get unlimited
    > vision for $10/month. In comparison, the t608 owners are being bent
    > over and raped by SprintPCS.
    >


    Well ... DUH. It is pretty clear this is to avoid the "tethered" fiasco of
    the first time around ... to which you so cynically refer.

    > Everyone can see this is not fair. What can be doen to make SprintPCS
    > do the right thing and offer unlimited Vision for $10/month to
    > SonyEricsson T608 customers too?
    >


    Why is that the right thing. They made a mistake once by offering that
    deal, why do you expect them to offer it again? It has nothing to do with
    being fair. There are plenty of people still on the $10/mo Vision plan.

    > This is like charging a Chevy owner twice as much for Gasoline as a
    > Ford owner.


    No it isn't and you know it. Now if they offered one BT phone with the
    $10/mo Vision offer and not another BT phone, I could understand that.
    Currently, they don't offer ANYBODY a $10/mo plan. The key word here is
    "offer".

    >
    > Why is SprintPCS always trying to rape it's customers like this?


    They probably have it in for you ... or they just like the way you walk.

    >
    > Why does it have such a double standard when it comes to the Sony
    > Ericsson phone. Any idiot can get a data cable and use unlimited
    > vision service with all the other piece of **** phones SPCS sells.
    > Why can SprintPCS never act with integrity?


    You sound exactly like Phillip!

    Tom Veldhouse





  5. #5
    SprintPCS Sucks!!!
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608

    Mike <spam[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Sprint PCS Sucks!!! wrote:
    > > So the idiots at SprintPCS have decided to shackle the T608 owners
    > > with a 3-MB vision cap for $15/month. Everyone can see this is
    > > completely unreasonable. They have no such limits on phones with
    > > picture phones and wireless web. Many of these customers get unlimited
    > > vision for $10/month. In comparison, the t608 owners are being bent
    > > over and raped by SprintPCS.
    > >
    > > Everyone can see this is not fair. What can be doen to make SprintPCS
    > > do the right thing and offer unlimited Vision for $10/month to
    > > SonyEricsson T608 customers too?
    > >
    > > This is like charging a Chevy owner twice as much for Gasoline as a
    > > Ford owner.
    > >
    > > Why is SprintPCS always trying to rape it's customers like this?
    > >
    > > Why does it have such a double standard when it comes to the Sony
    > > Ericsson phone. Any idiot can get a data cable and use unlimited
    > > vision service with all the other piece of **** phones SPCS sells.
    > > Why can SprintPCS never act with integrity?
    > >
    > >
    > > SprintPCS_Sucks
    > > (We know they'll never stop.)

    >
    > I hope I'm not feeding a troll.
    >
    > Okay, look. Sprint PCS has its little world. It's a bit of a vacuum. Put
    > simply, computers use more data than phones. It's hard for a phone to
    > use more than a few megabytes in a month, so Sprint gives those devices
    > unlimited usage for $10-$15 a month, knowing that "unlimited" is a draw,
    > and that they'll seldom have someone move more than a few megabytes.
    > Also, because of the terms of service and the fact that they don't sell
    > cables, (remember, we're in that vacuum right now) phones cannot be used
    > as data devices for laptops. PocketPC devices have fancy media players
    > and such, and can use more data than a standard phone, so they pay a
    > little more each month. Computers are voracious users, with large hard
    > drives, p2p apps, games, and a landline-centric view of bandwidth
    > consumption. Because "unlimited" could mean gigabytes of data, Sprint
    > offers the data card, and more or less meters (with some exceptions) its
    > use. Now, Sprint is offering a device that carves a new (for Sprint)
    > niche. It's a phone, but it's officially usable as a data device. I
    > suspect 3MB represents typical vision phone user monthly data
    > consumption, the idea being that the users that stick with the built-in
    > browser won't see a disadvantage in data plan pricing, but heavy users
    > and those that use the device for internet access will pay extra for
    > their disproportionally higher usage. I'd want to see that number reach
    > 5MB though.
    > -mike



    Ok, I can see your point. No one here will debate the SprintPCS is
    clueless.

    I thought everybody figured out the voice is just a special type of
    data. If data folks built the network, then we wouldn't be talking
    about this. This is the age-old "we're a telecom and data scares us."

    I do take issue with them trying to charge more than everyone else for
    less. They could at least charge $10/mo.

    It doesn't scare T-mobile though, who gives customers with bluetooth
    phones unlimited data.

    I wonder how they will respond to these competitve issues as just
    about every t608 customer complains about the bald-faced double
    standard, which is very different from market offerings.

    How much does an average unlimited customer with a data card use in a
    month?

    sprintpcs_sucks



  6. #6
    SprintPCS Sucks!!!
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "SprintPCS Sucks!!!" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > So the idiots at SprintPCS have decided to shackle the T608 owners
    > > with a 3-MB vision cap for $15/month. Everyone can see this is
    > > completely unreasonable. They have no such limits on phones with
    > > picture phones and wireless web. Many of these customers get unlimited
    > > vision for $10/month. In comparison, the t608 owners are being bent
    > > over and raped by SprintPCS.
    > >

    >
    > Well ... DUH. It is pretty clear this is to avoid the "tethered" fiasco of
    > the first time around ... to which you so cynically refer.


    Look, 100% of what their network carries is data. Why do they care if
    someone uses "data" over bluetooth?

    I'd be happy with an unlimited plan for $20 or $30 on top of my
    current $75/mo bill. They should not be capping this service.


    > > Everyone can see this is not fair. What can be doen to make SprintPCS
    > > do the right thing and offer unlimited Vision for $10/month to
    > > SonyEricsson T608 customers too?
    > >

    >
    > Why is that the right thing. They made a mistake once by offering that
    > deal, why do you expect them to offer it again? It has nothing to do with
    > being fair. There are plenty of people still on the $10/mo Vision plan.


    I don't think the need to necessarily offer it again. Competitors
    offer it for free (T-mobile), so they should be competitive.

    They should let people who have the $10/mo Vision plan already move it
    to their new T608s.


    > > This is like charging a Chevy owner twice as much for Gasoline as a
    > > Ford owner.

    >
    > No it isn't and you know it. Now if they offered one BT phone with the
    > $10/mo Vision offer and not another BT phone, I could understand that.
    > Currently, they don't offer ANYBODY a $10/mo plan. The key word here is
    > "offer".


    Yes, well, what I have heard so far (and maybe they will relent) is
    that no customer will be able to move unlimited Vision service to
    their new T608.

    Are they not getting bent over here?

    I can't imagine anyone would not think SPCS was srcewing those
    customers over.


    > > Why is SprintPCS always trying to rape it's customers like this?

    >
    > They probably have it in for you ... or they just like the way you walk.


    That's amusing, but they don't just have it in for me. There's
    millions of customers that they are screwing over and thousands who
    are being screwed on the bluetooth-vision issue.


    > >
    > > Why does it have such a double standard when it comes to the Sony
    > > Ericsson phone. Any idiot can get a data cable and use unlimited
    > > vision service with all the other piece of **** phones SPCS sells.
    > > Why can SprintPCS never act with integrity?

    >
    > You sound exactly like Phillip!



    I don't know who Phillip is, as I'm relatively new to the group. I've
    seen his name mentioned a few times. I think I'll go look for some of
    his posts on google.


    SprintPCS Sucks
    SprintPCS Sucks
    SprintPCS Sucks



  7. #7
    SprintPCS Sucks!!!
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608

    "Jon Clark" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > I am feeding a troll, but here goes:
    >
    > Put simply, they are selling this phone almost exclusively because of
    > increasing pressure to have a bluetooth phone for VOICE device
    > compatibility. They neither want, nor care about catering to, data users -
    > if it isn't abundantly clear from the 3MB vision plan limit. They are
    > artifically capping the vision use on this phone because that isn't the
    > taget market for this device at this time.


    It's nice to have Bluetooth for voice headsets and synchornization,
    but they are being to narrow-minded. Their competition is not.


    > All of you people with data tunnel vision: get over it. 95% of cell revenue


    100% of what they carry on their network is data. They need to join
    the 21st century and stop thinking about voice as seperate from data.
    They are trying to do this but going about it in the wrong way with
    the lame wireless web and the WAP phones. Phones are not browsers.

    They need to provide nice, unlimited IP connectivity for a reasonable
    price. They have a $100/mo unlimited plan for data only. I should be
    able to get a phone with voice service and unlimited data for $100/mo
    too, since someone with a bluetooth phone can not use the same amount
    of bandwidth as a data card customer over the course of the month.



    > still comes from voice, and the majority of the people who will buy a
    > bluetooth phone want it for the headset and automotive hands-free
    > capabilities. A small minority care about the unlimited data side. While a
    > nice feature for a bluetooth-enabled PDA, it really isn't that much of a
    > chore to carry a small data cable if the concern is a laptop, since the vast
    > majority of the time, using a laptop with a data-enabled phone is going to
    > be something done while stationary.
    >
    > Why do you think the phone number to order the T608 is 1-866-PCS-AUTO?


    Sure that's one number. Yes, they had planned a marketing campaign
    targeted at those poeople, but I don't think they be any phones left
    by the time they get around to marketing it.


    > Think bluetooth-integrated cars - That's the 'killer app' for Bluetooth.


    No, it't not. It's one application. The killer app is intergrating all
    things in close proximity that need to share data securely. This is
    still a ways away.

    SprintPCS is not making it happen any faster with this lame rule.


    SprintPCS Sucks
    (They are masters of the vacuum)


    > -Jon
    >
    >
    > "SprintPCS Sucks!!!" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > So the idiots at SprintPCS have decided to shackle the T608 owners
    > > with a 3-MB vision cap for $15/month. Everyone can see this is
    > > completely unreasonable. They have no such limits on phones with
    > > picture phones and wireless web. Many of these customers get unlimited
    > > vision for $10/month. In comparison, the t608 owners are being bent
    > > over and raped by SprintPCS.
    > >
    > > Everyone can see this is not fair. What can be doen to make SprintPCS
    > > do the right thing and offer unlimited Vision for $10/month to
    > > SonyEricsson T608 customers too?
    > >
    > > This is like charging a Chevy owner twice as much for Gasoline as a
    > > Ford owner.
    > >
    > > Why is SprintPCS always trying to rape it's customers like this?
    > >
    > > Why does it have such a double standard when it comes to the Sony
    > > Ericsson phone. Any idiot can get a data cable and use unlimited
    > > vision service with all the other piece of **** phones SPCS sells.
    > > Why can SprintPCS never act with integrity?
    > >
    > >
    > > SprintPCS_Sucks
    > > (We know they'll never stop.)




  8. #8
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608


    "SprintPCS Sucks!!!" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "Jon Clark" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > I am feeding a troll, but here goes:
    > >
    > > Put simply, they are selling this phone almost exclusively because of
    > > increasing pressure to have a bluetooth phone for VOICE device
    > > compatibility. They neither want, nor care about catering to, data

    users -
    > > if it isn't abundantly clear from the 3MB vision plan limit. They are
    > > artifically capping the vision use on this phone because that isn't the
    > > taget market for this device at this time.

    >
    > It's nice to have Bluetooth for voice headsets and synchornization,
    > but they are being to narrow-minded. Their competition is not.


    Here's a hint. Go to the competition then, if it's bothering you so much ...
    >
    >
    > > All of you people with data tunnel vision: get over it. 95% of cell

    revenue
    >
    > 100% of what they carry on their network is data. They need to join
    > the 21st century and stop thinking about voice as seperate from data.
    > They are trying to do this but going about it in the wrong way with
    > the lame wireless web and the WAP phones. Phones are not browsers.


    No, but what SPCS does not want to do is for you to use it as your ISP. It
    was never intended at this time to utilize Vision as an ISP. Maybe, when
    they release 4G, when burst speed will be 3.2 Megs, but not now ... There is
    only so much bandwidth to offer at this time.
    >
    > They need to provide nice, unlimited IP connectivity for a reasonable
    > price. They have a $100/mo unlimited plan for data only. I should be
    > able to get a phone with voice service and unlimited data for $100/mo
    > too, since someone with a bluetooth phone can not use the same amount
    > of bandwidth as a data card customer over the course of the month.
    >


    Actually it's $80/mo, on their business page ... As to your last comment in
    the above paragraph, it looks like you do want to replace your ISP with
    Vision ... If you want to do that, with a pcmcia card, then go for it ...

    Getting back to some other points made, SPCS did initially sell cables, and
    then realized it was a mistake, as people would use it as an ISP. A few of
    us use the cable to connect up with Vision, however it's on a very limited
    basis to pull down email, and do some light surfing ... That's a whole lot
    different than what you want to do.
    >
    >
    > > still comes from voice, and the majority of the people who will buy a
    > > bluetooth phone want it for the headset and automotive hands-free
    > > capabilities. A small minority care about the unlimited data side. While

    a
    > > nice feature for a bluetooth-enabled PDA, it really isn't that much of a
    > > chore to carry a small data cable if the concern is a laptop, since the

    vast
    > > majority of the time, using a laptop with a data-enabled phone is going

    to
    > > be something done while stationary.
    > >
    > > Why do you think the phone number to order the T608 is 1-866-PCS-AUTO?

    >
    > Sure that's one number. Yes, they had planned a marketing campaign
    > targeted at those poeople, but I don't think they be any phones left
    > by the time they get around to marketing it.
    >
    >
    > > Think bluetooth-integrated cars - That's the 'killer app' for Bluetooth.

    >
    > No, it't not. It's one application. The killer app is intergrating all
    > things in close proximity that need to share data securely. This is
    > still a ways away.
    >
    > SprintPCS is not making it happen any faster with this lame rule.
    >
    >
    > SprintPCS Sucks
    > (They are masters of the vacuum)


    One thing obviously here is that you are trolling ... Again, if you are so
    dissatisfied, go with T-Mobile ... Vote with your dollars and port your
    number over there.

    Bob





  9. #9
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608


    "SprintPCS Sucks!!!" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > Look, 100% of what their network carries is data. Why do they care if
    > someone uses "data" over bluetooth?


    They don't. However, they do care how much data!

    >
    > I'd be happy with an unlimited plan for $20 or $30 on top of my
    > current $75/mo bill. They should not be capping this service.


    They can't afford to offer you a plan for $20 or $30 / month for unlimitted
    service. If that doesn't make you happy, you should go with the company
    that can offer this to you (I am not sure anybody really can, T-Mobile is
    known to be both congested and slow).

    >
    > I don't think the need to necessarily offer it again. Competitors
    > offer it for free (T-mobile), so they should be competitive.


    T-Mobile offers it for either $19.99 or $29.99 / month [for data usage].

    >
    > They should let people who have the $10/mo Vision plan already move it
    > to their new T608s.
    >


    No, they shouldn't. That is like winning free gasonline on your Pinto and
    then buying a Excursion and expecting them to continue giving your free gas
    .... to use your automobile analogy.

    >
    > Yes, well, what I have heard so far (and maybe they will relent) is
    > that no customer will be able to move unlimited Vision service to
    > their new T608.
    >


    I addressed that one a second ago. You have far more capability to draw
    data with the bluetooth phone than you do with a $10 Vision plan. Again,
    they don't offer the plan anymore because many people [like yourself?]
    abused the unlimitted Vision using a cable because they knew Sprint had no
    way to monitor it.

    > Are they not getting bent over here?
    >


    No, if you have a problem and you have the $10 Vision plan, stick with your
    old phone. If you want the BT functionality, you need to maintain the
    contract that goes with it ... and in this case, it is with a 3MB Vision
    data cap. Take it or leave it.

    > I can't imagine anyone would not think SPCS was srcewing those
    > customers over.


    You should try harder ... because I don't. BT is still a niche market,
    although there are some vocal enthusiasts. If Sprint gives you the ability
    to screw them (i.e. cost them more in data delivery than they charge you
    for), are you saying you don't plan to do it?

    >
    >
    > > > Why is SprintPCS always trying to rape it's customers like this?

    > >
    > > They probably have it in for you ... or they just like the way you walk.

    >
    > That's amusing, but they don't just have it in for me. There's
    > millions of customers that they are screwing over and thousands who
    > are being screwed on the bluetooth-vision issue.


    You missed it ... that was a slam on your paranoia I assure you that
    there are not millions of BT (or potential BT) customers out there ...
    probably not in all providers combined. I doubt there is a single million
    amongst all the current providers.

    > I don't know who Phillip is, as I'm relatively new to the group. I've
    > seen his name mentioned a few times. I think I'll go look for some of
    > his posts on google.
    >


    You showed up around when he did .. a couple of months back. Oh ... good
    luck finding his posts ... he goes under 40 different names ... because he
    is a real troll (meaning that you are not a troll).

    Tom Veldhouse





  10. #10
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608

    Jon Clark wrote:


    > A small minority care about the unlimited data side. While a
    > nice feature for a bluetooth-enabled PDA, it really isn't that much of a
    > chore to carry a small data cable if the concern is a laptop, since the vast
    > majority of the time, using a laptop with a data-enabled phone is going to
    > be something done while stationary.



    While I agreed with some of your points Jon, there is a huge gaping flaw
    in your logic in the statement above. If it's such a minor chore, and
    so few people are interested in data tunneling over vision as you say,
    then why go through such great lengths to cap it?

    My theory is this. Sprint knows it has a very limited supply of these
    phones. It had promised DaimlerChrysler that some of these phones would
    be available as a promotion to their new car buyers. When SonyEricssion
    pulled the plug on the T608, Sprint knew it was gonna be in a jam
    because a LOT of gagdet freaks were going to clamor for this
    bluetooth-data capable phone and there WOULD be great demand for the
    data capability, leaving little or no handsets left to meet its
    obligations to DaimlerChrysler. As such, Sprint HAD to cap the data
    feature to meet its obligations.

    Maybe if/when another bluetooth phone comes out on Sprint, this cap will
    be removed. Who knows?


    --
    E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
    Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.




  11. #11
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608

    SprintPCS Sucks!!! wrote:


    > I thought everybody figured out the voice is just a special type of
    > data.


    No, actually, it isn't. Voice is VOICE... it can be companded into an
    8kbps EVRC vocoder and come out reasonably well at the other end. 1xRTT
    data on the other hand, can burst up to 144kbps... the equivalent of
    *18* voice channels. Even if you base calculations on the older, better
    sounding 13k QCELP vocoder, data on 1XRTT still dwarfs voice traffic by
    a factor of 11.

    So unless you're using the old Wireless Web to connect (which ran at
    good old 14.4kbps), you can't really argue that voice and data traffic
    are all the same. Data puts a HUGE overhead on the network, and until
    the 1xEVDV upgrade happens, I can't blame Sprint for trying to limit the
    data usage a bit.


    If data folks built the network, then we wouldn't be talking
    > about this. This is the age-old "we're a telecom and data scares us."


    If data folks built the network, then there wouldn't be voice traffic...
    which is STILL the primary source of revenue for Sprint. I bet you'd
    get very pissed if you tried to make a call on your cell phone and got
    "network busy" because data users are tying up the channel.


    > It doesn't scare T-mobile though, who gives customers with bluetooth
    > phones unlimited data.


    Yes, they do... if you don't mind a slower data rate, a well-documented
    lack of reliability, and it's even free if all you want to do is surf
    from port 80 and check your e-mail from port 25. However, I'm sure
    you'll agree that most of the users who are truly interested in data
    won't limit their activities to ports 80 and 25... even someone who
    wants to do online banking from the road will find that they're SOL
    because they can't use Secure Socket Layer unless they pay up to T-Mo
    for the privilege.


    --
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    Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.




  12. #12
    Mike
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    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608

    Isaiah Beard wrote:


    >
    > Yes, they do... if you don't mind a slower data rate, a well-documented
    > lack of reliability, and it's even free if all you want to do is surf
    > from port 80 and check your e-mail from port 25. However, I'm sure
    > you'll agree that most of the users who are truly interested in data
    > won't limit their activities to ports 80 and 25... even someone who
    > wants to do online banking from the road will find that they're SOL
    > because they can't use Secure Socket Layer unless they pay up to T-Mo
    > for the privilege.
    >
    >



    What? Seriously? Are you sure? I blows my mind that they would open port
    80 and 25 but close 443. Seems nuts! Actually, seems like an opportunity
    to open a service to cater to those people... An https over port 80 proxy.

    feh.

    -mike




  13. #13
    Chris Taylor Jr
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608

    This is exactly what I use vision for. light e-mail and browsing on my
    laptop on a VERY limited basis.

    3mb is not nearly enough even for the lightest mail and browsing.

    If they said 3mb a day that MIGHT be ok but their are times where I probably
    move more than that in 3 or 4 hours (I only log in at night after 9 or 10
    pm.)

    Then again I really do not know how mych mb I transfer. it might only be a
    meg or 2 per session.

    I will have to work on finding that out.

    Chris Taylor
    http://www.nerys.com/


    > Actually it's $80/mo, on their business page ... As to your last comment

    in
    > the above paragraph, it looks like you do want to replace your ISP with
    > Vision ... If you want to do that, with a pcmcia card, then go for it ...
    >
    > Getting back to some other points made, SPCS did initially sell cables,

    and
    > then realized it was a mistake, as people would use it as an ISP. A few

    of
    > us use the cable to connect up with Vision, however it's on a very limited
    > basis to pull down email, and do some light surfing ... That's a whole lot
    > different than what you want to do.






  14. #14
    Chris Taylor Jr
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608

    Incorrect analogy.

    free gas is free gas. if they offer you 10gallons of gas a day or something
    what do they care WHAT you are putting that gas in. they are not giving you
    any more or less.

    If I am using xbandwidth a month now why do you think that this will change
    when I change phones ?

    if they are ok with my usage now why would they NOT be ok with the same
    usage on a different phone.

    so NO your analogy is NOT correct.

    Chris Taylor
    http://www.nerys.com/



    > > They should let people who have the $10/mo Vision plan already move it
    > > to their new T608s.
    > >

    >
    > No, they shouldn't. That is like winning free gasonline on your Pinto and
    > then buying a Excursion and expecting them to continue giving your free

    gas
    > ... to use your automobile analogy.






  15. #15
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: Vision Problem with SonyEricsson T608


    "Chris Taylor Jr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > This is exactly what I use vision for. light e-mail and browsing on my
    > laptop on a VERY limited basis.
    >
    > 3mb is not nearly enough even for the lightest mail and browsing.
    >
    > If they said 3mb a day that MIGHT be ok but their are times where I

    probably
    > move more than that in 3 or 4 hours (I only log in at night after 9 or 10
    > pm.)
    >
    > Then again I really do not know how mych mb I transfer. it might only be a
    > meg or 2 per session.
    >
    > I will have to work on finding that out.
    >
    > Chris Taylor
    > http://www.nerys.com/


    Yea, that's like yours truly, only not as often, maybe once every couple of
    weeks or so and two hours max, more like 1-2 hours. Now, in staying that,
    think about even my limited usage, and then all the other users out there in
    my area. If one in 100 did what I did, it would snatch up so much bandwidth,
    that the towers would be maxed out ...

    Bob





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