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  1. #1
    HK
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    http://www.suntimes.com/cgi-bin/print.cgi


    Verizon wins, SprintPCS loses after a survey of 31,000 subscribers was
    tallied and rated for each of 12 cities.



    See More: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey




  2. #2
    Real Estate Agent
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey


    > http://www.suntimes.com/cgi-bin/print.cgi
    >
    >
    > Verizon wins, SprintPCS loses after a survey of 31,000 subscribers was
    > tallied and rated for each of 12 cities.


    Link did not work. However, I understand they did not rate Alltel. I don't
    put a lot of faith in their work, although the descriptions of appliance
    features is helpful for understanding what might or might not be useful.

    Years ago, Consumer Reports downgraded the Checker automobile because there
    was too much room in the back seat. Well, DUH! In an age before SUV's and
    Vans, THAT'S why you bought a Checker!

    -Paul-
    _________________________________
    One day, I purchased a 4-drawer metal
    filing cabinet at a clearance sale. We put
    the cabinet on the floor of the back seat
    of my Checker. The cabinet did not touch
    either door, or either seat!
    _________________________________






  3. #3
    Steven J Sobol
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey

    In alt.cellular Real Estate Agent <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> Verizon wins, SprintPCS loses after a survey of 31,000 subscribers was
    >> tallied and rated for each of 12 cities.

    >
    > Link did not work. However, I understand they did not rate Alltel. I don't
    > put a lot of faith in their work, although the descriptions of appliance
    > features is helpful for understanding what might or might not be useful.


    Alltel doesn't serve Chicago, and the Sun-Times is a Chicago paper.

    Alltel isn't really a nationwide carrier, either - doesn't serve anywhere
    near the number of markets that the big guys do.

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  4. #4
    Joseph
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:13:35 GMT, HK <[email protected]> wrote:

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    >
    >http://www.suntimes.com/cgi-bin/print.cgi
    >
    >
    >Verizon wins, SprintPCS loses after a survey of 31,000 subscribers was
    >tallied and rated for each of 12 cities.


    That's a nice reference unfortunately it doesn't show anything of any
    use to anyone unless you think a blank page is useful.

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  5. #5
    Justin
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey

    Joseph wrote on [Thu, 08 Jan 2004 07:57:15 -0800]:
    > On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:13:35 GMT, HK <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>http://www.suntimes.com/cgi-bin/print.cgi
    >>
    >>
    >>Verizon wins, SprintPCS loses after a survey of 31,000 subscribers was
    >>tallied and rated for each of 12 cities.

    >
    > That's a nice reference unfortunately it doesn't show anything of any
    > use to anyone unless you think a blank page is useful.


    try http://www.suntimes.com/output/busin...in-cell07.html




  6. #6
    Justin
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey

    Justin wrote on [Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:04:53 GMT]:
    > Joseph wrote on [Thu, 08 Jan 2004 07:57:15 -0800]:
    >> On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:13:35 GMT, HK <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>http://www.suntimes.com/cgi-bin/print.cgi
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Verizon wins, SprintPCS loses after a survey of 31,000 subscribers was
    >>>tallied and rated for each of 12 cities.

    >>
    >> That's a nice reference unfortunately it doesn't show anything of any
    >> use to anyone unless you think a blank page is useful.

    >
    > try http://www.suntimes.com/output/busin...in-cell07.html


    Of course, Consumer Reports is pretty useless when it comes to
    technology anyway

    "Others have been told by their phone company that they must buy a new
    phone to be able to transport their number, a practice the magazine
    calls unfair. "

    Ummmm.... so they expect every phone to work with every provider....



  7. #7
    RexYBlue
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:07:26 GMT, Justin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >"Others have been told by their phone company that they must buy a new
    >phone to be able to transport their number, a practice the magazine
    >calls unfair. "
    >
    >Ummmm.... so they expect every phone to work with every provider....


    My point exactly in previous posts. When you find a blatant error like
    this--and CR is guilty more often than you'd expect--revealing
    significant lack of knowledge on the subject, it is fair to doubt the
    entire study.

    CR isn't worth the price of the magazine, imo.

    I think it's TOTALLY unfair that T-Mo won't activate my SprintPCS
    phone. PLEASE!



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  8. #8
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:32:40 GMT, RexYBlue <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >My point exactly in previous posts. When you find a blatant error like
    >this--and CR is guilty more often than you'd expect--revealing
    >significant lack of knowledge on the subject, it is fair to doubt the
    >entire study.
    >
    >CR isn't worth the price of the magazine, imo.
    >
    >I think it's TOTALLY unfair that T-Mo won't activate my SprintPCS
    >phone. PLEASE!


    As far as automobiles go, they have done right by me. I ignored what
    I read about the car I bought. It turned out to have the same
    mediocre brakes that they mention. I think they probably handle most
    of their statistical analysis very well, where they may suffer is the
    questions they ask in a satisfaction poll.


    Tom Veldhouse



  9. #9
    Michael Arends
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey

    Justin wrote:

    > >>
    > >>Verizon wins, SprintPCS loses after a survey of 31,000 subscribers was
    > >>tallied and rated for each of 12 cities.

    > >
    > > That's a nice reference unfortunately it doesn't show anything of any
    > > use to anyone unless you think a blank page is useful.

    >
    > try http://www.suntimes.com/output/busin...in-cell07.html


    From the article:
    "Others have been told by their phone company that they must buy a new
    phone to be able to transport their number, a practice the magazine
    calls unfair. "

    Are we to beleive that CR is REALLY that clueless about taking your
    phone
    with you to another company?

    I don't think I'll be wasting any money on that trashloid.



  10. #10
    Michael Arends
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey

    Justin wrote:

    > > try http://www.suntimes.com/output/busin...in-cell07.html

    >
    > Of course, Consumer Reports is pretty useless when it comes to
    > technology anyway
    >
    > "Others have been told by their phone company that they must buy a new
    > phone to be able to transport their number, a practice the magazine
    > calls unfair. "
    >
    > Ummmm.... so they expect every phone to work with every provider....


    Exactly... don't know what they're thinking.



  11. #11
    Scott Stephenson
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey


    "Michael Arends" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Justin wrote:
    >
    > > >>
    > > >>Verizon wins, SprintPCS loses after a survey of 31,000 subscribers was
    > > >>tallied and rated for each of 12 cities.
    > > >
    > > > That's a nice reference unfortunately it doesn't show anything of any
    > > > use to anyone unless you think a blank page is useful.

    > >
    > > try http://www.suntimes.com/output/busin...in-cell07.html

    >
    > From the article:
    > "Others have been told by their phone company that they must buy a new
    > phone to be able to transport their number, a practice the magazine
    > calls unfair. "
    >
    > Are we to beleive that CR is REALLY that clueless about taking your
    > phone
    > with you to another company?
    >
    > I don't think I'll be wasting any money on that trashloid.


    And they also say this when talking about time to port and having to carry
    twophones during the process:

    "The Consumers Union, the watchdog group that publishes Consumer Reports,
    said it will lobby the Federal Communications Commission to better enforce
    rules regarding number portability, as it's called."

    What rules? There are no rules to enforce- they simply mandated that
    portability was to happen.

    My entire outlook on the magazine has changed because of the total lack of a
    clue that exhibit in this article. It puts their 'results' in a questionable
    light.





  12. #12
    Michael Notforyou
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey

    RexYBlue <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:07:26 GMT, Justin <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >"Others have been told by their phone company that they must buy a new
    > >phone to be able to transport their number, a practice the magazine
    > >calls unfair. "
    > >
    > >Ummmm.... so they expect every phone to work with every provider....

    >
    > My point exactly in previous posts. When you find a blatant error like
    > this--and CR is guilty more often than you'd expect--revealing
    > significant lack of knowledge on the subject, it is fair to doubt the
    > entire study.
    >
    > CR isn't worth the price of the magazine, imo.
    >
    > I think it's TOTALLY unfair that T-Mo won't activate my SprintPCS
    > phone. PLEASE!


    Find me the source!!

    From http://www.consumerreports.org/main/...=1073608774417

    " Numbers may be portable, but phones are not. If you change
    carriers, you'll need a new phone."

    *Michael Notforyou*



  13. #13
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey

    Only 31,000! I would think that a real study would need to be
    larger. Hundreds of thousands would be more reliable.


    Joseph wrote:

    > On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:13:35 GMT, HK <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>
    >>http://www.suntimes.com/cgi-bin/print.cgi
    >>
    >>
    >>Verizon wins, SprintPCS loses after a survey of 31,000 subscribers was
    >>tallied and rated for each of 12 cities.

    >
    >
    > That's a nice reference unfortunately it doesn't show anything of any
    > use to anyone unless you think a blank page is useful.
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  14. #14
    Scott Stephenson
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey


    "Jerome Zelinske" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Only 31,000! I would think that a real study would need to be
    > larger. Hundreds of thousands would be more reliable.


    I was kind of thinking the same thing. At best, it would represent less
    than 0.5% of the subscribers for the five largest carriers, and less than
    that of all cellular users. I'm also kind of curious how they got the
    31,000. Did they solicit participation (not scientifically or statistically
    accurate)? Did they ask carriers for subscriber's names (doubtful, and not
    accurate)? The more this gets discuseed, the more I doubt anything to do
    with this 'survey'.





  15. #15
    RexYBlue
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    Re: Verizon first in Consumer Reports satisfaction survey

    On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:22:14 GMT, Jerome Zelinske
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Only 31,000! I would think that a real study would need to be
    >larger. Hundreds of thousands would be more reliable.


    Actually a sample of 31,000 might not be bad, statistically. However,
    did they send out 31000 questionnaires (to which maybe only 2500
    replied)? Is this based on 31000 replies? If the sample wasn't
    carefully selected, it's worthless, 31000 or 310,000.

    Statistics don't lie, but statisticians can, and sometimes do. Also,
    the results of the survey depend on what questions are asked and how.
    Survey results can very easily be manipulated in this and other ways.

    I don't like Consumer Reports as a rule. I'm sure at times they're
    dead on the money, but as far as I'm concerned they're not reliable.



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