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  1. #1
    Dan Albrich
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    I believe there used to be a circuit switched 14.4K data option for Sprint
    users that just used minutes, something like dial #777, web, web. Is there
    any data options available from the phone & tethered laptop that do not cost
    any money monthly? I don't mind dialing my own ISP.
    If the answer is yes for the older 2G handsets, do you know if the current
    generation handsets can still be used this way? If I do this, and it works,
    will I be charged per kilobyte?

    I'm not trolling here. I actually have used this feature for years on
    Verizon, and am investigating this issue to see if I can switch to Sprint
    without losing a feature I use. With Verizon, all the 2G handsets that
    support data can dial #777, qnc, qnc and get a 14.4K data connection that
    just uses minutes (no additional monthly charge). In addition, the newer 3G
    handsets simply need a modem initialization string to connect at the slower
    14.4K speed (AT$QCMDR=2) which continues to be free (it does use minutes--
    by "free" I mean that I use my unlimited nights and weekend minutes).

    I find Sprint's no roaming option to be an appealing possibility, but may
    not be able to consider switching if I'd have to start paying for data which
    I have gotten for free the past several years.

    Thanks in advance for your help,

    -Dan

    PS: I don't care about any of the "high speed" data services. My needs are
    simple and text-only (SSH). I prefer not to have to pay seperately.
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  2. #2
    Bob Smith
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    Re: Question Regarding Data-- Is there any included method?


    "Dan Albrich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I believe there used to be a circuit switched 14.4K data option for Sprint
    > users that just used minutes, something like dial #777, web, web.


    That was the former internet access called Wireless Web aka: WW.

    > Is there
    > any data options available from the phone & tethered laptop that do not

    cost
    > any money monthly? I don't mind dialing my own ISP.


    No, unless you currently have the WW option on your plan now. With the new
    plans and new phones, it's Vision, and it will cost you. If you don't want
    to subscribe to that, it will cost you between $0.01 to $0.02 per KB.

    > If the answer is yes for the older 2G handsets, do you know if the current
    > generation handsets can still be used this way? If I do this, and it

    works,
    > will I be charged per kilobyte?


    No, if you can dial out on the new phones to access your ISP, it's going to
    cost you $0.39/min. It's not worth doing that.
    >
    > I'm not trolling here. I actually have used this feature for years on
    > Verizon, and am investigating this issue to see if I can switch to Sprint
    > without losing a feature I use. With Verizon, all the 2G handsets that
    > support data can dial #777, qnc, qnc and get a 14.4K data connection that
    > just uses minutes (no additional monthly charge). In addition, the newer

    3G
    > handsets simply need a modem initialization string to connect at the

    slower
    > 14.4K speed (AT$QCMDR=2) which continues to be free (it does use minutes--
    > by "free" I mean that I use my unlimited nights and weekend minutes).
    >
    > I find Sprint's no roaming option to be an appealing possibility, but may
    > not be able to consider switching if I'd have to start paying for data

    which
    > I have gotten for free the past several years.


    Well, it sounds like you want to do a lot of accessing. You will need to
    subscribe to Vision to do it.
    >
    > Thanks in advance for your help,
    >
    > -Dan






  3. #3
    Dan Albrich
    Guest

    Re: Question Regarding Data-- Is there any included method?

    > > I believe there used to be a circuit switched 14.4K data option for
    Sprint
    > > users that just used minutes, something like dial #777, web, web.

    >
    > That was the former internet access called Wireless Web aka: WW.
    >
    > > Is there
    > > any data options available from the phone & tethered laptop that do not

    > cost
    > > any money monthly? I don't mind dialing my own ISP.

    >
    > No, unless you currently have the WW option on your plan now. With the new
    > plans and new phones, it's Vision, and it will cost you. If you don't want
    > to subscribe to that, it will cost you between $0.01 to $0.02 per KB.
    >
    > > If the answer is yes for the older 2G handsets, do you know if the

    current
    > > generation handsets can still be used this way? If I do this, and it

    > works,
    > > will I be charged per kilobyte?

    >
    > No, if you can dial out on the new phones to access your ISP, it's going

    to
    > cost you $0.39/min. It's not worth doing that.
    > >
    > > I'm not trolling here. I actually have used this feature for years on
    > > Verizon, and am investigating this issue to see if I can switch to

    Sprint
    > > without losing a feature I use. With Verizon, all the 2G handsets

    that
    > > support data can dial #777, qnc, qnc and get a 14.4K data connection

    that
    > > just uses minutes (no additional monthly charge). In addition, the

    newer
    > 3G
    > > handsets simply need a modem initialization string to connect at the

    > slower
    > > 14.4K speed (AT$QCMDR=2) which continues to be free (it does use

    minutes--
    > > by "free" I mean that I use my unlimited nights and weekend minutes).
    > >
    > > I find Sprint's no roaming option to be an appealing possibility, but

    may
    > > not be able to consider switching if I'd have to start paying for data

    > which
    > > I have gotten for free the past several years.

    >
    > Well, it sounds like you want to do a lot of accessing. You will need to
    > subscribe to Vision to do it.
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance for your help,
    > >
    > > -Dan


    Thank you Bob. I really appreciate the information.

    -Dan


    >
    >






  4. #4
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: Question Regarding Data-- Is there any included method?

    Dan Albrich wrote:

    > I believe there used to be a circuit switched 14.4K data option for Sprint
    > users that just used minutes, something like dial #777, web, web.


    That's actually the current method for dialing using vision, the 1xRTT
    higher-speed data service that Sprint has. The old circuit switched
    method was #2932 I beleive.

    > Is there
    > any data options available from the phone & tethered laptop that do not cost
    > any money monthly?


    Nope. Some people have reportedly gotten away with using the $15 Vision
    add-on packs with unlimited data to use as a tethered solution, but if
    you go by the letter of the PCS user agreement, that add-on wasn't
    intended for this type of connection.

    For older 2G handsets, the wireless web option was $5 and used airtime.

    > If the answer is yes for the older 2G handsets, do you know if the current
    > generation handsets can still be used this way?


    Yes, but you will be charged on the order of $.39 per minute that you're
    connected. So, using the 2G dialup method for data isn't advisable.


    > I'm not trolling here. I actually have used this feature for years on
    > Verizon, and am investigating this issue to see if I can switch to Sprint
    > without losing a feature I use. With Verizon, all the 2G handsets that
    > support data can dial #777, qnc, qnc and get a 14.4K data connection that
    > just uses minutes (no additional monthly charge). In addition, the newer 3G
    > handsets simply need a modem initialization string to connect at the slower
    > 14.4K speed (AT$QCMDR=2) which continues to be free (it does use minutes--
    > by "free" I mean that I use my unlimited nights and weekend minutes).


    Considering that Verizon has their own monthly plans for just this type
    of use, I would guess that similar to Sprint's this is technically not
    kosher. Sprint just happens to do a slightly better job of making sure
    they get SOME revenue for the data usage.

    > I find Sprint's no roaming option to be an appealing possibility, but may
    > not be able to consider switching if I'd have to start paying for data which
    > I have gotten for free the past several years.


    Then I guess you're sticking with Verizon.


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  5. #5
    John Richards
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    Re: Question Regarding Data-- Is there any included method?

    > I find Sprint's no roaming option to be an appealing possibility, but may
    > not be able to consider switching if I'd have to start paying for data which
    > I have gotten for free the past several years.


    Get a calling plan from T-Mobile and you'll get a free data connection (GPRS)
    with it.

    --
    John Richards





  6. #6
    Donkey Agony
    Guest

    Re: Question Regarding Data-- Is there any included method?

    Dan Albrich wrote:

    > I believe there used to be a circuit switched 14.4K data option for
    > Sprint users that just used minutes, something like dial #777, web,
    > web. Is there any data options available from the phone & tethered
    > laptop that do not cost any money monthly?


    No. $15 a month gets you "Vision", their term for data access. Vision
    works the same way (#777), but you'll get data a LOT faster than any
    14.4K. Average I've found to be around 80K (I've seen speeds as high as
    120K). You don't need an ISP, in fact, if you used one, it would cost
    you by the minute.

    Officially, Vision is for in-phone use. Sprint doesn't officially
    sanction tethered usage -- they're evidently afraid of 24-7 KaZaa
    downloaders taking advantage of a $15 all-you-can-eat monthly cost for
    faster-than-dialup speeds. Problem is, there's no way at least
    currently to distiguish between in-phone and tethered usage, so they
    apparently monitor the amount of data downloaded. If you don't do
    massive MP3, etc. downloading and such, you'll be all right.

    Because they don't officially sanction it, you'll have to get your cable
    from places like FutureDial.com.

    I wouldn't want to replace my regular ISP with its 3mbps cable
    connection, but tethered Vision is very nice to have when you need to
    connect your laptop to the Net on the road, in the airport, at the
    convention center, etc. etc.

    --
    da
    ~~
    "OE Quotefix" http://flash.to/oe-quotefix
    to fix Outlook Express' broken quoting.





  7. #7
    Central
    Guest

    Re: Question Regarding Data-- Is there any included method?

    On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:15:12 -0500, Isaiah Beard wrote:

    > Dan Albrich wrote:
    >
    >> I believe there used to be a circuit switched 14.4K data option for Sprint
    >> users that just used minutes, something like dial #777, web, web.

    >
    > That's actually the current method for dialing using vision, the 1xRTT
    > higher-speed data service that Sprint has. The old circuit switched
    > method was #2932 I beleive.
    >
    >> Is there
    >> any data options available from the phone & tethered laptop that do not cost
    >> any money monthly?

    >
    > Nope. Some people have reportedly gotten away with using the $15 Vision
    > add-on packs with unlimited data to use as a tethered solution, but if
    > you go by the letter of the PCS user agreement, that add-on wasn't
    > intended for this type of connection.
    >
    > For older 2G handsets, the wireless web option was $5 and used airtime.
    >
    >> If the answer is yes for the older 2G handsets, do you know if the current
    >> generation handsets can still be used this way?

    >
    > Yes, but you will be charged on the order of $.39 per minute that you're
    > connected. So, using the 2G dialup method for data isn't advisable.

    <SNIP>

    Ok there were reports of dialing out on new generation phones when vision
    was starting to roll around the corner but I have not see any recently. As
    long as you have the Wireless Web option using the 2G dialup method will
    only eat your mins up. Sadly tho you will not find a sprint rep who will
    put 2G Wireless Web option on a vision phone(which may or may not be
    capable with the new units) without twisting their arm. On a side note
    sprint has abolished all connection kits(even 2G) for the phones. This fact by
    itself shows how open they are to connecting phones to the laptop, and yes
    I know you can buy the cables from third parties. I personally use vision
    with radioshack futuredial cable without problems to vpn/ssh/ssl-http
    proxy/etc.. away from home or in the car and it works great. It is much
    better then the 2G equiv dialup setup I had with cingular(Lag was
    900-1.5kms Sprint is 400-600ms). When I signed up for vision like you I
    was looking for laptop usage and was promised it but sadly sprint has
    decided to change their minds so I recommend try calling them up and see
    if they can offer you anything remotely close to what you want and if not
    just explain how you are going to stay with verizon. Maybe someday sprint
    will see tethered laptop users can be good for business without being abusive.




  8. #8
    Dan Albrich
    Guest

    Re: Question Regarding Data-- Is there any included method?

    > Considering that Verizon has their own monthly plans for just this type
    > of use, I would guess that similar to Sprint's this is technically not
    > kosher. Sprint just happens to do a slightly better job of making sure
    > they get SOME revenue for the data usage.


    1st- Thanks for the helpful information and tips. I appreciate them.

    2nd (more as FYI etc.) --> Verizon supported free (just uses minutes) 14.4K
    data for years. They called it mobile office for circuit switched data,
    complete with web pages describing the service and how to use it, and a
    dedicated support group for data. They even gave folks a free email account
    (which I still have, and still works). The email was primarily to allow
    SMTP authentication, but allowed for POP and webmail access. In June of
    2003 Verizon took the circuit switched data information off of their website
    (so they've obviously depricated this service in favor of their fee-based
    data service "National Access"). Who knows, in the future they may make
    14.4K data quit working, stop supporting it, or even start charging for it.
    In any event, it has never been something anyone paid for, and was an
    officially supported option for years.

    This is not akin to folks using vision with tethered laptops because from
    the very beginning this type of use was never officially sanctioned, and
    even Sprint's website listed a separate price for laptop tethered use. When
    I started my Verizon service, and for several years, data use with a laptop
    was simply an included service. I continue to use it to this day, and even
    have called the data group for help in the past few months and received help
    using it (I got a new 3g handset and needed help getting the 14.4K data
    working with a future dial cable).

    Back when this feature existed on their website, and was officially
    supported, I would routinely send folks toward Verizon that had limited data
    needs. Now that they have pulled the web pages, I don't feel comfortable
    pointing folks at this service (even though it still exists), because it may
    be pulled at any time.

    I have a Kyocera 6035 palm phone and use the 14.4K data both from my phone
    directly, and with my laptop. I doubt they'll take this away from existing
    users (who have had it for years) unless some technology issue forces their
    hand -- i.e. if EVDO doesn't allow QNC circuit switched data to coexist. At
    the same time, I can see them not wanting to help *new* customers get on
    this legacy system.
    Ah, very long winded FYI...






  9. #9
    Lawrence G. Mayka
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    Re: Question Regarding Data-- Is there any included method?

    "Dan Albrich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > This is not akin to folks using vision with tethered laptops because from
    > the very beginning this type of use was never officially sanctioned, and


    Actually, Sprint *did* officially sanction tethered usage when Vision first
    came out, because Vision data itself was supposed to be measured, and
    charged accordingly. My own initial service plan included 2MB of Vision.
    Larger quantities were also available, with higher pricing, and were
    intended for PDAs and laptops.

    During the first couple of months that Vision was available, Sprint assured
    customers that it was not yet actually measuring Vision data usage. Rather,
    customers were encouraged to find out, experimentally, how much they would
    need per month. But less than 3 months after Vision's public launch, Sprint
    announced new service plans that included Unlimited Vision. Shortly
    thereafter, Sprint "grandfathered" the initial Vision customers (whose plans
    specified measured data usage) onto Unlimited Vision also. Presumably,
    Sprint had decided that measured Vision was either unworkable or unsellable.

    Even after that point, the issue of tethered usage was muddled for many
    months. Initially, Sprint reps and supervisors repeatedly told customers
    that such usage was definitely permissible, and even wrote notes to that
    effect in customers' accounts. Later, reps and supervisors began to say
    that heavy use was forbidden, but moderate use was acceptable. Very
    recently, most reps and supervisors will not admit any degree of
    acceptability to tethered usage, though informal sources indicate that
    Sprint enforcement targets heavy users, not moderate or light ones.





  10. #10
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: Question Regarding Data-- Is there any included method?

    John Richards wrote:

    >>I find Sprint's no roaming option to be an appealing possibility, but may
    >>not be able to consider switching if I'd have to start paying for data which
    >>I have gotten for free the past several years.

    >
    >
    > Get a calling plan from T-Mobile and you'll get a free data connection (GPRS)
    > with it.


    However, it's important to note that this "free" connection is severely
    hobbled, limited to only port 80 and 25 traffic. Basically, just e-mail
    and web surfing (and not SSL either). If this is fine for you, then go
    for it. But for anyone who plans on SSH, SSL, telnet or other methods
    that require net access on different ports, T-Mo's free GPRS option
    won't work for you.



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  11. #11
    Isaiah Beard
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    Re: Question Regarding Data-- Is there any included method?

    Dan Albrich wrote:


    > I have a Kyocera 6035 palm phone and use the 14.4K data both from my phone
    > directly, and with my laptop. I doubt they'll take this away from existing
    > users (who have had it for years) unless some technology issue forces their
    > hand -- i.e. if EVDO doesn't allow QNC circuit switched data to coexist.


    EVDO should be just fine with allowing circuit-switched data. I think
    really the only technological or market force that would cause Verizon
    (or Sprint for that matter) to drop circuit switched data is whether a
    point will come where it becomes too expensive to maintain. In order
    for circuit data to work, Sprint and Verizon have to maintain analog
    modem banks to allow your cell phone to "dial out" on circuit switched
    data. If/when it is no longer cost effective to keep these modems
    running, they'll probably discontinue the service. You'll most likely
    get ample notice though; I beleive AT&T gave people almost a year before
    they announced they would stop supporting CDPD.

    And FYI, maintaing a rack of modems isn't cheap. A year ago where I
    work, a proposal was floated around where our IT department planned to
    decommission our modem pool (where I work, employees have the option of
    getting free dialup ISP access through this modem pool), because they
    assumed a lot of people would rather get broadband and work over a VPN.
    The IT department faced budget cuts, and they figured if they
    decommissioned the modem pool they wouldn't have to lay anyone off.

    Unfortunately, the backlash to this plan was SOOO huge that the IT
    department was forced to keep the modem racks up and running, and they
    had to lay off five people to cover the expense. Some people really
    like their free dialup, I guess (FYI; I'm on a cable modem myself).



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