Cingular Aquistion Of ATT&T Wireless

With Cingular making an all cash offer to AT&T Wireless over the weekend is
there any possibility that Sprint will be merging with any other carrier? I
woudl think this will initate a round of further consolidation in the
wireless industry....

T Jones




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"Thomas A. Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> With Cingular making an all cash offer to AT&T Wireless over the weekend
is
> there any possibility that Sprint will be merging with any other carrier?
I
> woudl think this will initate a round of further consolidation in the
> wireless industry....
>
> T Jones

I'm guessing that since Cingular did that, they received some sort of
unofficial green light from the Feds. It's a good fit, as both use the same
wireless protocol, and still keeps a number of major wireless providers out
there to compete with each other.

As to SPCS being bought out, I doubt that will happen. The FTC will want to
maintain competition in the wireless market place.

Bob

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:15:44 -0500, "Thomas A. Jones"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>With Cingular making an all cash offer to AT&T Wireless over the weekend is
>there any possibility that Sprint will be merging with any other carrier? I
>woudl think this will initate a round of further consolidation in the
>wireless industry....
>
>T Jones
>

Cingular and AT&T do not compete in all markets, so there is direct
benefits from a combined company. Further, both are moving from TDMA
to GSM, so that means both are probably bandwidth starved in many
areas because they are trying to maintain both systems. In these
areas, the combined company would essentially offer twice the
bandwidth (in general) and thus allow them to more seamlessly maintain
both systems during the transition, although the extent to which they
can utilize this is dependent upon their customer density in these
areas.

I guess I can see why an AT&T and Cingular merger might be beneficial
to both. Now, I don't see that for Verizon and Sprint PCS. They both
overlap geographically with very little area (demographically) not
covered by both. Analog roaming is the only thing that Verizon has
that Sprint PCS does not, and I don't see Sprint buying Verizon ... I
see very little incentive for Verizon to buy Sprint.

From my viewpoint, I don't see a Sprint PCS merger or aquitition by
Verizon. The QWest deal is already happening, and is really small
beans as QWest is only regional ... the motivation for that is allow a
larger scope of wireless bundling with landlines.


Tom Veldhouse

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:06:44 GMT, Michael Arends
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
>>
>> I guess I can see why an AT&T and Cingular merger might be beneficial
>> to both. Now, I don't see that for Verizon and Sprint PCS. They both
>> overlap geographically with very little area (demographically) not
>> covered by both. Analog roaming is the only thing that Verizon has
>> that Sprint PCS does not, and I don't see Sprint buying Verizon ... I
>> see very little incentive for Verizon to buy Sprint.
>
>Sprint doesn't have Analog roaming? That's not what my phone sometimes
>tells me.


That is also not what I meant (although I see what I wrote is
misleading). What I meant is that Verizon owns analog towers for
their customer and for other companies customer to roam on. In
otherwords, Verizon has assests that Sprint PCS might find useful, but
Sprint does not have much in the way of assets that Verizon would want
(spectrum is always good I guess, but overall, not something Verizon
really needs).

Tom Veldhouse

Sprint offers roaming via Verizon and other AMPS carriers via roaming
agreements.
The roaming you do on your phone is via a partnership agreement between
carriers.
They do it as a stop gap measure until they build out their network or where
it's not cost effective to build out their network, as there is not enough
traffic to support building a presence there. AMPS ( Analog Cellular ) has
had since 1982 to build out the network whereas Sprint has only done it
since ?1999? I want to say ( can't remember ).
Building presence takes a lot of $$$$$$. Anyway, I digress....... ;-)

Scotty



"Michael Arends" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
> >
> > I guess I can see why an AT&T and Cingular merger might be beneficial
> > to both. Now, I don't see that for Verizon and Sprint PCS. They both
> > overlap geographically with very little area (demographically) not
> > covered by both. Analog roaming is the only thing that Verizon has
> > that Sprint PCS does not, and I don't see Sprint buying Verizon ... I
> > see very little incentive for Verizon to buy Sprint.
>
> Sprint doesn't have Analog roaming? That's not what my phone sometimes
> tells me.

In article <[email protected]>,=20
Michael [email protected] says...
> Sprint doesn't have Analog roaming? That's not what my phone sometimes=20
> tells me.
>=20

We have no analog towers. So no, we don't.

Sort of

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O/Siris
I work for SprintPCS
I *don't* speak for them.

In article <[email protected]>,
O/Siris <0sīrīs@sprīntpcs.cōm> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Michael [email protected] says...
> > Sprint doesn't have Analog roaming? That's not what my phone sometimes
> > tells me.
> >
>
> We have no analog towers. So no, we don't.
>
> Sort of

In some areas SprintPCS customers roam on verizon or other carriers
analog service. Depends where you are and which PRL your phone is using.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Thomas A. Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:

> With Cingular making an all cash offer to AT&T Wireless over the weekend is
> there any possibility that Sprint will be merging with any other carrier? I
> woudl think this will initate a round of further consolidation in the
> wireless industry....
>
> T Jones

Word by the Wall Street commentators. SprintPCS is not a good fit with
any other carrier, and after a Cingular - AT&T Wireless hookup, another
merger would not be so quick to go down. That being said, SprintPCS
stock has been bid up, as if someone WAS about to buy it. Perhaps MCI so
it can have Wireless Service, perhaps Vodophone of England so it can
have a Wireless company of its own Stateside, and dump its share of
Verizon Wireless.

Just because SprintPCS stock price movement seems to indicate its about
to be bought, doesn't mean its about to be merged.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:34:57 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Thomas A. Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> With Cingular making an all cash offer to AT&T Wireless over the weekend is
>> there any possibility that Sprint will be merging with any other carrier? I
>> woudl think this will initate a round of further consolidation in the
>> wireless industry....
>>
>> T Jones
>
>Word by the Wall Street commentators. SprintPCS is not a good fit with
>any other carrier, and after a Cingular - AT&T Wireless hookup, another
>merger would not be so quick to go down. That being said, SprintPCS
>stock has been bid up, as if someone WAS about to buy it. Perhaps MCI so
>it can have Wireless Service, perhaps Vodophone of England so it can
>have a Wireless company of its own Stateside, and dump its share of
>Verizon Wireless.
>
>Just because SprintPCS stock price movement seems to indicate its about
>to be bought, doesn't mean its about to be merged.


Take a deep breath Phill and let the steam out! You have been talking
down Sprint PCS stock like a damn doom sayer. Then when it doesn't go
down, to cover your ass you no allege that it is propped up! Little
doubt that you will again be proven wrong ... it is quite tiring.

Tom Veldhouse

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:34:57 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Thomas A. Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> With Cingular making an all cash offer to AT&T Wireless over the
weekend is
> >> there any possibility that Sprint will be merging with any other
carrier? I
> >> woudl think this will initate a round of further consolidation in the
> >> wireless industry....
> >>
> >> T Jones
> >
> >Word by the Wall Street commentators. SprintPCS is not a good fit with
> >any other carrier, and after a Cingular - AT&T Wireless hookup, another
> >merger would not be so quick to go down. That being said, SprintPCS
> >stock has been bid up, as if someone WAS about to buy it. Perhaps MCI so
> >it can have Wireless Service, perhaps Vodophone of England so it can
> >have a Wireless company of its own Stateside, and dump its share of
> >Verizon Wireless.
> >
> >Just because SprintPCS stock price movement seems to indicate its about
> >to be bought, doesn't mean its about to be merged.
>
>
> Take a deep breath Phill and let the steam out! You have been talking
> down Sprint PCS stock like a damn doom sayer. Then when it doesn't go
> down, to cover your ass you no allege that it is propped up! Little
> doubt that you will again be proven wrong ... it is quite tiring.
>

THe one thing Phil forgot to mention- PCS is simply a tracking stock. Most
analysts are saying that the only to get Sprint PCS is a complete buyout of
Sprint.

>
> Word by the Wall Street commentators. SprintPCS is not a good fit with
> any other carrier

Huh, I think that Verizon would like to eliminate a competitor. And,
Although I doubt it, maybe ALLTEL has the cash.


>>, and after a Cingular - AT&T Wireless hookup, another
> merger would not be so quick to go down. That being said, SprintPCS
> stock has been bid up, as if someone WAS about to buy it. Perhaps MCI so
> it can have Wireless Service, perhaps Vodophone of England so it can
> have a Wireless company of its own Stateside, and dump its share of
> Verizon Wireless.


No way, Vodaphone is GSM, why buy into ANOTHER CDMA network.

>
> Just because SprintPCS stock price movement seems to indicate its about
> to be bought, doesn't mean its about to be merged.

I agree about Sprint being bought, But if not Verizon ( who after the
Nextwave Auction falling through has the assets), then who would put
money into Sprint?

Michael Arends <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
>>
>> I guess I can see why an AT&T and Cingular merger might be beneficial
>> to both. Now, I don't see that for Verizon and Sprint PCS. They both
>> overlap geographically with very little area (demographically) not
>> covered by both. Analog roaming is the only thing that Verizon has
>> that Sprint PCS does not, and I don't see Sprint buying Verizon ... I
>> see very little incentive for Verizon to buy Sprint.
>
> Sprint doesn't have Analog roaming? That's not what my phone sometimes
> tells me.

You can't roam analog on Sprint.

Sprint does *allow* analog roaming on selected networks operated by other
carriers, but you can't roam from another carrier onto Sprint unless you have
a 1900MHz CDMA-capable phone.

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> Word by the Wall Street commentators. SprintPCS is not a good fit with
> any other carrier, and after a Cingular - AT&T Wireless hookup, another
> merger would not be so quick to go down. That being said, SprintPCS
> stock has been bid up, as if someone WAS about to buy it. Perhaps MCI so
> it can have Wireless Service, perhaps Vodophone of England so it can
> have a Wireless company of its own Stateside, and dump its share of
> Verizon Wireless.

Why in God's name would Vodafone pick *another* carrier running CDMA just
to get rid of Verizon Wireless?

Try using your head. Vodafone is GSM in every country in which it does
business, EXCEPT the US.

I can't hear you Phillipe; you're talking out of your ass again, and your
pants are pulled all the way up. You sound muffled. (And no, that does NOT
mean I want you to pull down your pants.)

And if MCI buys Sprint, we're all in trouble. Worldcom Wireless defrauded a
large number of people back when they were reselling everyone else.

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Ben Dejo <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Word by the Wall Street commentators. SprintPCS is not a good fit with
>> any other carrier
>
> Huh, I think that Verizon would like to eliminate a competitor. And,
> Although I doubt it, maybe ALLTEL has the cash.

Alltel would be the most logical buyer since they have little coverage,
IF AND ONLY IF they want to change their business philosophy of only serving
smaller (mostly rural) markets. As far as I know they have no such desire...

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