Ringers and Pictures on Sanyo phones

"Chris Taylor Jr" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Replies below
>
> > FYI - these "free" ringers, screensavers, applications have several
> > faults to them.,
> >
> > 1) Downloading free ringers - you're using someone else's copyrighted
> > materials for yuor own purposes without paying them for it. It's on
> > the same level as Kazaa, Napster, and what the RIAA is going after
> > everyone for.
>
> First their is no real legal recourse. Second I am betting something of this
> nature and quality level falls well within the bounds of the betamax
> decision and fair use.
>
> third midi's for the most part are public domain.
>
While I'll agree with you on the MIDI aspect, I haven't seen many
'free' sites offering them. It's people who are using the actual song
recordings, but this is a huge grey area, no one has rules either way
(and I'm very interested to see how it would turn if it did end up in
a court).

>
> > 2) *NONE* of these have been tested nor approved by the respective
> > carriers. They can cause serious issues, people have already written
> > viruses (virii?) for cel phones. But no, I'm sure you'll spurt out
> > "it's impossible". Well, it is very possible, and I see it.
>
> Who cares. Viruses in this manner are NOT possible. midi and wav files are
> NON executable. they are passive files and you CAN NOT GET A VIRUS FROM A
> PASSIVE FILE I do not care WHAT you think you know or have been told.
>
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>
> NOW if you download a java app to your phone THAT can give you a virus
> theoretically. it is executing instructions on your computer.
>

There has already been some viruses in the Japan wireless market, but
like you said (and I'll agree) it can be obtained though a downloaded
program.

Also, as I stated, thet're not tested. If your phone takes WAV files,
then, if someone is lazy, can just rename an MP3 file to a WAV file,
you download it to your phone. The program can have the correct
extension, but won't be in the right format, the phone (most likely)
may not know how to use it and it can cause lockups, the same can go
with screensavers.

>
> DO be careful download PROGRAMS for your phone. but ringers and screensavers
> are PERFECTLY safe if you use your stinking brain.
>
> this means if you click to download a ringer and it gets put in your
> PROGRAMS well DUH it was not a ringer DON't Open it :-)

I'll fully agree with that statement.

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First of all the riaa, needs to have better things to do with their time.
B, if you own a cd, make it into a file and put it on your phone as a
ringer, that's fine, the free ring tones thing, hell, what is it, 10-20
seconds maybe of a song, how the hell would the riaa, aka music nazis, like
people to pay for that. the whole music swapping raid that the riaa is on
needs to go away, after all, a lot of bands wouldn't be around if people
didn't sneak in tape recorders and tape their concerts before they became
filthy rich.

Capt.
"TechGeek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Chris Taylor Jr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Replies below
> >
> > > FYI - these "free" ringers, screensavers, applications have several
> > > faults to them.,
> > >
> > > 1) Downloading free ringers - you're using someone else's copyrighted
> > > materials for yuor own purposes without paying them for it. It's on
> > > the same level as Kazaa, Napster, and what the RIAA is going after
> > > everyone for.
> >
> > First their is no real legal recourse. Second I am betting something of
this
> > nature and quality level falls well within the bounds of the betamax
> > decision and fair use.
> >
> > third midi's for the most part are public domain.
> >
> While I'll agree with you on the MIDI aspect, I haven't seen many
> 'free' sites offering them. It's people who are using the actual song
> recordings, but this is a huge grey area, no one has rules either way
> (and I'm very interested to see how it would turn if it did end up in
> a court).
>
> >
> > > 2) *NONE* of these have been tested nor approved by the respective
> > > carriers. They can cause serious issues, people have already written
> > > viruses (virii?) for cel phones. But no, I'm sure you'll spurt out
> > > "it's impossible". Well, it is very possible, and I see it.
> >
> > Who cares. Viruses in this manner are NOT possible. midi and wav files
are
> > NON executable. they are passive files and you CAN NOT GET A VIRUS FROM
A
> > PASSIVE FILE I do not care WHAT you think you know or have been told.
> >
> *** (snip) ***
> >
> > NOW if you download a java app to your phone THAT can give you a virus
> > theoretically. it is executing instructions on your computer.
> >
>
> There has already been some viruses in the Japan wireless market, but
> like you said (and I'll agree) it can be obtained though a downloaded
> program.
>
> Also, as I stated, thet're not tested. If your phone takes WAV files,
> then, if someone is lazy, can just rename an MP3 file to a WAV file,
> you download it to your phone. The program can have the correct
> extension, but won't be in the right format, the phone (most likely)
> may not know how to use it and it can cause lockups, the same can go
> with screensavers.
>
> >
> > DO be careful download PROGRAMS for your phone. but ringers and
screensavers
> > are PERFECTLY safe if you use your stinking brain.
> >
> > this means if you click to download a ringer and it gets put in your
> > PROGRAMS well DUH it was not a ringer DON't Open it :-)
>
> I'll fully agree with that statement.

"Captain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> First of all the riaa, needs to have better things to do with their time.
> B, if you own a cd, make it into a file and put it on your phone as a
> ringer, that's fine, the free ring tones thing, hell, what is it, 10-20
> seconds maybe of a song, how the hell would the riaa, aka music nazis,
like
> people to pay for that. the whole music swapping raid that the riaa is on
> needs to go away, after all, a lot of bands wouldn't be around if people
> didn't sneak in tape recorders and tape their concerts before they became
> filthy rich.
>
> Capt.

My comments aren't here for ring tones, but more for the comments on the
last sentence above. They wouldn't be around? So, for all those bands in the
late 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and so on and so on, should be screwed out of
the royalties on their product? Who cares if they get filthy rich?

Those bands earned it for what they put out there, for all the road trips.
The record companies get a piece for investing and marketing the bands ...
and every place where the music is sold.

Bob

I will have to test this and see. first off most all phones have
DRAMATICALLY limited memories. this means NO mp3 of any commonality will
even BE downloadable :-)

Second so what if a file locks up the phone. pop the battery reboot and
delete the offending file.

worst case scenario (can not see it happening) you go to a sprint store and
they whack it for you.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/


> Also, as I stated, thet're not tested. If your phone takes WAV files,
> then, if someone is lazy, can just rename an MP3 file to a WAV file,
> you download it to your phone. The program can have the correct
> extension, but won't be in the right format, the phone (most likely)
> may not know how to use it and it can cause lockups, the same can go
> with screensavers.

That is your primary flaw.

THEY GET NO STINKING ROYALTIES !!! that is why they HAVE to sell MILLIONS of
copies to get ANYTHING.

MANY MANY MANY idie groups go BANKRUPT and end up OWING labels MONEY when
they try to go with a label.

the contracts they are made to sign are so draconian and so ANTI ARTIST that
NOTHING a user can do will help or hurt either way across the board.

only a VERY small number of VERY famous artists "get rich" off the labels.

the labels suck them dry like vampires. you become famous in most cases when
THEY DECIDE you become famous and they decide that based on how badly they
think they can MILK YOU.

I have NO sympathy and THAT is who I am hurting. NOT the artists. I hate
when pompous no nothings rally behind artists bull**** taglines like you
just did. makes me SOOO MAD since the RIAA and their ilk are the ones
KILLING artists chances. NOT US.

I can not say this enough. PIRACY (as the riaa calls it) HELPS ARTISTS more
than it hurts.

CD SALES WENT UP when napster hit its stride.

WHY ? because people KNEW what they were buying KNEW what they wanted AND
KNEW that they in fact WANTED IT. because they heard it on napster and now
they want the HIGH QUALITY copy.

it is UTTERLY NO DIFFERENT than taping a song off the radio in my book. NO
DIFFERENT.

you say but wait you are trading it with thousands maybe millions of others
users for free.

Hmmm what the hell do you think those 150,000 watt transmitters are doing to
my little $2 FM radio reciever or my $10 casette recorder with FM radio.

Your not paying for that mp3 download people say. Well in fact yes I am. I
pay a monthly bill to my ISP of $60 not counting the thousands this computer
cost.

why is that relevant. because you can do the same equivalent with a $10
radio with casette recorder and NEVER pay a monthly fee. radio is free and
its LEGAL to record songs off the radio.

RIAA says buts its digitall a perfect copy. are you out of your ****ing mind
?? 128kbit and even 192kit mp3 (good luck finding anything over 128kbit
online) is WORSE THAN FM RADIO

I can hear a CLEAR AS A BELL CLEAR AS DAY difference between the CD and a
128kbit mp3. their is simply absolutely ZERO COMPARISON.

I bought more CD's since the inception of napster than my entire life before
napster. I had a problemspending $18 on a CD that I was unsure if I was even
going to like and their is NO going back. NO returns NO exchanges NO
refunds.

they push **** and they want to legally force you to EAT that ****.

its the ONLY industry (music and software) that I know of where you have NO
RECOURSE if it plain out SUCKS.

**** you can even return a CANDY BAR for your money back if it SUCKS.

They screw me I screw them. thats the way the game is played.

the artists are not relevant in this scenario. I do not care about them I
care about the $18 I plonk down for that peice of poly carbonate. its MY
MONEY. I want $18 worth of something for that money.

What recourse do users have.

we can not speak with our wallets because you can not return or exchange a
cd.

we can not sue they are too big.

we can not complain they are too big.

what else can we do.

well the internet came along and changed things. mp3 changes things. we are
making RIAA and their ilk OBSOLETE. that is whey they are attacking so hard.

it has NOTHING to do with piracy. get that OUT OF YOUR SKULL RIGHT NOW.

it has ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOTHING AT ALL ON ANY LEVEL TO DO WITH PIRACY.

Piracy is their scapegoat. NOTHING MORE.

MP3 EMPOWERS ARTISTS.

THAT and ONLY THAT is why the riaa is attacking it so hard. MP3 has the
potential to make RIAA obsolete. MP3 has the potential to allow the artists
to say **** YOU AND YOUR DRACONIAN CONTRACTS and do it themselves it with a
much smaller level of capitol.

an artist can BURN a copy of their CD and sell it to your for $5 and make
more money from that one sale than they do from the RIAA and their ilk. a
LOT MORE MONEY.

the RIAA knows this. that is why they want mp3 (open format file trading)
DEADER than a door nail and fast. THAT is why they are rallying behind the
bull**** of piracy.

the ONLY piracy that has any effect on CD sales is the asian etc.. pirates
who ripp off millions of counterfiet CD's financially we are not even on
their radar screens. not even a minor blip. but we make a good target.

Nothing more. a target.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/



>
> My comments aren't here for ring tones, but more for the comments on the
> last sentence above. They wouldn't be around? So, for all those bands in
the
> late 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and so on and so on, should be screwed out of
> the royalties on their product? Who cares if they get filthy rich?
>
> Those bands earned it for what they put out there, for all the road trips.
> The record companies get a piece for investing and marketing the bands ...
> and every place where the music is sold.
>
> Bob
>
>

I'm not familiar with any midi files that have singers voices in them.

I know of many teenagers that have as a hobby creating midi files and
freely posting them to internet.

One need only go to Google and search on "Midi Files", if each of the
2,170,000 hits is a site needing to be shut down by the RIAA, they'll be
busy for a while,.