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  1. #1
    Can anyone who actually has and uses a PDA phone like a Treo 270
    comment on the internet browser capability of those units?

    I am looking for a way to look up things on ebay while in the field. I
    tried some of the windows PDA phones on ATT and Tmobile (GSM). They
    were very slow. I tried some of the PDA phones in the Sprint store
    (few were working). And they are slow as well.

    I didn't expect speed, but I understand there is a browser that helps
    called Blazer. Naturally that is not gonna be installed on the demo
    units in the store.

    So can anyone comment on this? Am I kidding myself to think any such
    thing is possible?

    Thanks!




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  2. #2
    Robert M.
    Guest

    Re: Internet browsing capability of treo phones?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Can anyone who actually has and uses a PDA phone like a Treo 270
    > comment on the internet browser capability of those units?
    >
    > I am looking for a way to look up things on ebay while in the field. I
    > tried some of the windows PDA phones on ATT and Tmobile (GSM). They
    > were very slow. I tried some of the PDA phones in the Sprint store
    > (few were working). And they are slow as well.
    >
    > I didn't expect speed, but I understand there is a browser that helps
    > called Blazer. Naturally that is not gonna be installed on the demo
    > units in the store.


    Don;t be mislead by the nake of the Browser. Until you're using true 3g,
    like Verizon has in Washington DC, best you can hope for is dial-up
    speed, and more often its effectively 9600 baud.

    SprintPCS would be using the Treo 300 or 600, the CDMA models.



  3. #3

    Re: Internet browsing capability of treo phones?

    On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:50:58 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    >> I didn't expect speed, but I understand there is a browser that helps
    >> called Blazer. Naturally that is not gonna be installed on the demo
    >> units in the store.

    >
    >Don;t be mislead by the nake of the Browser. Until you're using true 3g,
    >like Verizon has in Washington DC, best you can hope for is dial-up
    >speed, and more often its effectively 9600 baud.

    Like I said, I didn't expect it to be fast. But what I saw was
    unusable. I want to be able to search ebay. Not browse, but use the
    item search, even the completed items only search.

    And I couldn't do it with the ones I tried. But I didn't really try
    the Palm OS versions at all. Only the windows phones.

    I don't need the pictures, so it's fine if the images are turned off.

    So if someone actually has a Palm OS PDA phone on Sprint, can you
    search for completeds or not?




  4. #4

    Re: Internet browsing capability of treo phones?



    Robert M. wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Can anyone who actually has and uses a PDA phone like a Treo 270
    >> comment on the internet browser capability of those units?
    >>
    >> I am looking for a way to look up things on ebay while in the field. I
    >> tried some of the windows PDA phones on ATT and Tmobile (GSM). They
    >> were very slow. I tried some of the PDA phones in the Sprint store
    >> (few were working). And they are slow as well.
    >>
    >> I didn't expect speed, but I understand there is a browser that helps
    >> called Blazer. Naturally that is not gonna be installed on the demo
    >> units in the store.

    >
    > Don;t be mislead by the nake of the Browser. Until you're using true 3g,
    > like Verizon has in Washington DC, best you can hope for is dial-up
    > speed, and more often its effectively 9600 baud.


    I find it's more like dial-up speed, around 30-60kbps. I use a Treo
    600, and I'm *very* happy with the browser performance. Handspring did
    a great job with the Blazer browser. The version that runs on the Treo
    600 does NOT use a proxy server, unlike the version that runs on the
    QCP-6035. The higher bandwidth of these Vision phones, and the higher
    performance of the processor in the Treo, allows the browser to deal
    with the data directly. (No, it still doesn't do javascript or java!
    It does do frames, though.)

    It ain't like my broadband service at home, but this is a pocket device
    -- I don't need broadband service for the tasks I assign to the phone.
    And it's all-you-can-eat for $15 a month. Lots of popular dialup ISPs
    charge more than that...

    The phone ain't perfect -- I've got several minor gripes with the Treo
    600 design. Still, overall, I'm quite happy with it.




  5. #5

    Re: Internet browsing capability of treo phones?



    [email protected] wrote:

    > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:50:58 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >>> I didn't expect speed, but I understand there is a browser that helps
    >>> called Blazer. Naturally that is not gonna be installed on the demo
    >>> units in the store.

    >>
    >>Don;t be mislead by the nake of the Browser. Until you're using true 3g,
    >>like Verizon has in Washington DC, best you can hope for is dial-up
    >>speed, and more often its effectively 9600 baud.

    > Like I said, I didn't expect it to be fast. But what I saw was
    > unusable. I want to be able to search ebay. Not browse, but use the
    > item search, even the completed items only search.
    >
    > And I couldn't do it with the ones I tried. But I didn't really try
    > the Palm OS versions at all. Only the windows phones.
    >
    > I don't need the pictures, so it's fine if the images are turned off.
    >
    > So if someone actually has a Palm OS PDA phone on Sprint, can you
    > search for completeds or not?


    It's doable. It can take a couple of minutes to load up the home ebay
    page. The browser is smart enough to know when it can't display all the
    images on a page (as happens with the main page, and with a typical
    search for an item, e.g., "treo 600"). When that happens, it stops
    trying to load the images, and you can still scroll around in what
    you've got, which is typically the page sans images.

    Clicking through a search to a listing takes less than a minute, with
    images turned off. And the nice thing is that you can scroll around
    before everything has been downloaded.




  6. #6
    Esteban Nunez
    Guest

    Re: Internet browsing capability of treo phones?

    I have a Treo 600 and I'm happy with the web browsing speed... it's
    comparable to 56k dial-up. But a big factor to consider is the small
    screen. If I have heady duty browsing to do (as in reviewing many ebay
    items), I wouldn't rely on the phone for that. If that's critical, I would
    buy a very portable laptop with a wireless card (not the WiFi network kind,
    but the satellite kind that allows you to browse from anywhere). Sprint and
    others offer such a PC card for laptops.

    "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Can anyone who actually has and uses a PDA phone like a Treo 270
    > comment on the internet browser capability of those units?
    >
    > I am looking for a way to look up things on ebay while in the field. I
    > tried some of the windows PDA phones on ATT and Tmobile (GSM). They
    > were very slow. I tried some of the PDA phones in the Sprint store
    > (few were working). And they are slow as well.
    >
    > I didn't expect speed, but I understand there is a browser that helps
    > called Blazer. Naturally that is not gonna be installed on the demo
    > units in the store.
    >
    > So can anyone comment on this? Am I kidding myself to think any such
    > thing is possible?
    >
    > Thanks!
    >






  7. #7

    Re: Internet browsing capability of treo phones?

    On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 02:08:07 GMT, "Esteban Nunez"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I have a Treo 600 and I'm happy with the web browsing speed... it's
    >comparable to 56k dial-up.

    But how about the web browsing capability? Does it seem to handle
    most sites well? Anything that doesn't work?

    Does anyone have experience with the Toshiba or Hitachi Pocket PC
    based PDA phones on Sprint? Any shortcomings with those, disregarding
    speed that is?



  8. #8

    Re: Internet browsing capability of treo phones?



    [email protected] wrote:

    > On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 02:08:07 GMT, "Esteban Nunez"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I have a Treo 600 and I'm happy with the web browsing speed... it's
    >>comparable to 56k dial-up.

    > But how about the web browsing capability? Does it seem to handle
    > most sites well? Anything that doesn't work?


    Anything that requires java or javascript won't work. No flash.

    Some badly-designed pages might rely on huge image maps, and would cause
    problems.

    In general, it works very nicely. My suggestion is to go to a Sprint
    PCS store near you and try it out. They are generally happy to give you
    a live one to work with. Figure out which sites are representative of
    what you want to use wirelessly, and try 'em out!





  9. #9
    telecon
    Guest

    Re: Internet browsing capability of treo phones?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
    oes anyone have experience with the Toshiba or Hitachi Pocket PC
    :based PDA phones on Sprint? Any shortcomings with those, disregarding
    :speed that is?

    You mean aside from the MS operating system?




  10. #10

    Re: Internet browsing capability of treo phones?

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 05:58:42 GMT, "[email protected]"
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    >In general, it works very nicely. My suggestion is to go to a Sprint
    >PCS store near you and try it out. They are generally happy to give you
    >a live one to work with. Figure out which sites are representative of
    >what you want to use wirelessly, and try 'em out!


    I did, they were broken. Several, not working at all. So I got
    nowhere with that.

    At the ATT store they did have the Pocket PC GSM phone, they put a sim
    in it and id DID work, but very slow.

    At the Tmobile store they didn't have anything working, same story at
    Verizon and at Cingular. Nothing I could try out.

    So I am trying to figure if this is all smoke and mirrors or not. So
    far it seems that way. Some people say the Motorola Sidekick (GSM)
    works ok. But I have Sprint now, if I could find a used PDA phone and
    use it I would not have to deal with a contract at least. I could
    test for a while without commitment. .

    I figured if anyone were successfully using this for simple web
    browsing I would be able to find them in the newsgroup. Usenet seems
    to be the cream of the crop in users of anything, I think.



  11. #11

    Re: Internet browsing capability of treo phones?



    [email protected] wrote:

    > On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 05:58:42 GMT, "[email protected]"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>In general, it works very nicely. My suggestion is to go to a Sprint
    >>PCS store near you and try it out. They are generally happy to give you
    >>a live one to work with. Figure out which sites are representative of
    >>what you want to use wirelessly, and try 'em out!

    >
    > I did, they were broken. Several, not working at all. So I got
    > nowhere with that.
    >
    > At the ATT store they did have the Pocket PC GSM phone, they put a sim
    > in it and id DID work, but very slow.
    >
    > At the Tmobile store they didn't have anything working, same story at
    > Verizon and at Cingular. Nothing I could try out.
    >
    > So I am trying to figure if this is all smoke and mirrors or not. So
    > far it seems that way. Some people say the Motorola Sidekick (GSM)
    > works ok. But I have Sprint now, if I could find a used PDA phone and
    > use it I would not have to deal with a contract at least. I could
    > test for a while without commitment. .
    >
    > I figured if anyone were successfully using this for simple web
    > browsing I would be able to find them in the newsgroup. Usenet seems
    > to be the cream of the crop in users of anything, I think.


    You need to find a better Sprint store. This device works very nicely
    on Sprint PCS. Over the weekend, I was travelling sans laptop. I was
    therefore unable to get my daily newspaper by synchronizing to the
    machine that builds it for me. It's a 4.5 meg file, that usually synchs
    in under 30 seconds. I set my builder to upload it to an ftp site, and
    then downloaded it via Blazer on the Treo. It took around 6 minutes.
    Not bad. I could have it do that every day, if I wanted, since Vision
    is all-you-can-eat for $15/month. There are even solutions to have the
    device wake itself up and do that for you (Botzam Recorder, for instance).

    And I did all my email and web browsing (lots of googling, of course)
    using the Treo. Worked nicely (except that I truly despise this idiotic
    thumbboard thingie -- hunt-and-peck is just rippingly tedious compared
    to Graffiti!)

    The only problem was with one site that (because of poor web design
    principles) relies on javascript.




  12. #12

    Re: Internet browsing capability of treo phones?

    On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:50:58 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Don't be misled by the make of the browser. Until you're using true 3g,
    >like Verizon has in Washington DC, best you can hope for is dial-up
    >speed, and more often its effectively 9600 baud.


    Not realy. GPRS stateside is typically 4 channels down, 2 channels up, so
    it's more like 38kbps download. True, that's like dialup, but better than
    the 'effective 9600 bps' you cite. (and, baud NEQ bps, BTW).

    The 1xRTT systems on CDMA2000 (SprintPCS, Verizon, both nationwide,
    including the network used by the Treo 600) deliver data at 50-70 kbps,
    typically.

    >SprintPCS would be using the Treo 300 or 600, the CDMA models.




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