Review of Vision

In article <[email protected]>,
Mastec <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Robert M. wrote:
> > *Strange thats one thing Sprint PCS brags about in their
> > commercials.
> > That it DOES work the same everywhere.*
>
> You ***** Idiot ... Some people prefer Cingular, some prefer Verizon
> and some prefer Sprint. So the services dont work the same for
> everyone.

We, and you were discussing Sprint PCS Vision.

I proved you wrong and your response it to insult me. Typical of blind
Sprint PCS apologists. When you can't discuss an issue, insult the
poster. Really makes Sprint PCS look good to folks considering it. NOT.

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:33:45 -0500, David G. Imber wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:11:21 -0600, Mastec
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>If you dont like it, drop it off your plan. Dont whine about it.
>
> I didn't hear any whining, I heard informing. I found it
> useful. Some of us have never used Vision and are curious. I haven't
> read any refutations of this person's claims. That's meaningful to me.

Well I wouldn't base your outlook on vision by the posters review. There
are a lot of possible reasons for those problems also vision has many uses.
One major issue with vision is it has high lag issues being a wireless
connection. I avg somewhere on 400-600ms but in some areas I have hit
900-1100ms lag. Now this can make your connection seem ungodly slow esp if
you are doing interactive sessions(ssh) or a bunch of small quick
sessions (http) where you have to do multi connections to grab a full
page. Now vision throughput normally, for me in varying parts of the
country, avgs 3-5KB/s and 7-13KB/s bursting. Considering the places I have
been in using the phone with almost no signal I would not think such
things are slow. Of course using vision on the phone itself is a different
matter. Depending on your phone model and cpu as well as memory you can
get anything from a decent read/click/wait a sec connection to a slow
crawling painful experience when your phone tries to grab pages that
either overflow its available memory or seem to take for ever for the phone
to process the request. I love vision for road usage which it just works.
Anywhere I had sprintpcs network I have had a perfectly working vision
connection for my laptop. Even when I was partially blocked by a large
hill in TN jumping from 1bar sprintpcs single to analog roaming I still
could get a decent vision connection. In short vision road usage has been
a life saver no mother having to deal with access numbers or broadband
connection points (wifi) I just grab my desktop charger plug everything in
and vision just works but vision on the phones has been a semi-painful
experience. Painful mostly because my sanyo 4900 was introduced during the
beginning of vision and is under powered. Accessing pages is not bad but
wait times are noticable and I can easily overflow its capable memory
forcing a browser restart. Other vision phones, and the pdas esp, have
been known to have more memory and better javavm web browsers then my unit
so the experience can be very different.

In article <[email protected]>,
Central <[email protected]> wrote:

> Well I wouldn't base your outlook on vision by the posters review. There
> are a lot of possible reasons for those problems also vision has many uses.
> One major issue with vision is it has high lag issues being a wireless
> connection. I avg somewhere on 400-600ms but in some areas I have hit
> 900-1100ms lag. Now this can make your connection seem ungodly slow esp if
> you are doing interactive sessions(ssh) or a bunch of small quick
> sessions (http) where you have to do multi connections to grab a full
> page.

NOPE, it's slow just pulling up Sprint's Vision Home Page, obviously
prebuilt and cached.

"Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...

> One major issue with vision is it has high lag issues being a wireless
> connection. I avg somewhere on 400-600ms but in some areas I have hit
> 900-1100ms lag.

I agree w/ this. I run a 'keep alive' pinger running, sometimes, and will
see the latencies running from 200ms-ish to over 1200 -- all in the same
session. Those 1200's wil kill a page download, for sure. I'm not so sure
that this doesn't show up in file downloads as well, but I don't do a lot of
that when on the tether.

All in all I've got few complaints about Vision ---- it works via the tether
(to portable) all but 2 places I go (used to be 3, maybe 4) and it
simplifies my life, saving me from the hotel phone system hell of the week.
I'll admit that using Vision via the handset can be a little goofy, and I've
got a 4900 so I understand the processor hurts a little, but when sitting in
the airport waiting for the plane it offers a time killing solution.

I'm waiting on the RL7300 to be released, then the fleet of 4900's I've got
will be retired.





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"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
>
> > > =============
> > > Something like Vision on a dashboard in a car that was voice controlled
> > > might find a market. "WEATHER RADAR" "MY PORTFOLIO" "SCORES"
> > > "HEADLINES" "NEAREST SHAKEY'S" and if you're stuck in traffic it'd be
> > > good to have that information in a hands free setting.
> >
> > Sprint tried something similar with the install hands free kits and
> > all they got was a headache. Why? People bought a phone, spent $200
> > on the kit, $200 to have it installed, then complained when they
> > wanted to upgrade their phone and Sprint wouldn't give them a frere
> > $200 kit (*because they didn't carry them anymore) nor did they refund
> > them what they paid someone else to have it installed.
> >
> > You're expecting a hands free internet access. Sorry, the technology
> > isn't there yet to be able to do that, we may be close, but it's not
> > there yet.
>
> Sorry you haven't heard of BlueTooth or 3G. The technology is there.

I'm sorry you mis-read your own quote stating you wanted "Vision on a
dashboard in a car that was voice controlled".

My post didn't deny anyhting about the web access being there, the
voice activated and accessable web feature is not. Sure, we have it
with Voice command, but that is not though the Vision web like what
you're requesting.

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
>
> > > 8. When you have the time to be patient, the service may not work, but
> > > instead give you an Error 408.
> > >
> >
> > What kind of error 408? HTTP? NetError? FTP error? This is one I
> > haven't seen yet in my tech room.
>
> If I worked for Sprint PCS, I'd attempt to make that claim also. But I'd
> find out what 408 meant before posting a denial.

Like I said, there are several error codes that have 408. Without
knowing WHICH one it is, I can't say what the cause is or what the
resolution is. The error message won't just say Error 408. It will
say HTTP error 408, or FTP error 408, NetError 408 etc..

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:

> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
> >
> > > > 8. When you have the time to be patient, the service may not work, but
> > > > instead give you an Error 408.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What kind of error 408? HTTP? NetError? FTP error? This is one I
> > > haven't seen yet in my tech room.
> >
> > If I worked for Sprint PCS, I'd attempt to make that claim also. But I'd
> > find out what 408 meant before posting a denial.
>
> Like I said, there are several error codes that have 408. Without
> knowing WHICH one it is, I can't say what the cause is or what the
> resolution is. The error message won't just say Error 408. It will
> say HTTP error 408, or FTP error 408, NetError 408 etc..


If it doesnt work, it doesnt work, an explanation of whats wrong on
Sprint's side is moot.

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
> >
> > Like I said, there are several error codes that have 408. Without
> > knowing WHICH one it is, I can't say what the cause is or what the
> > resolution is. The error message won't just say Error 408. It will
> > say HTTP error 408, or FTP error 408, NetError 408 etc..
>
>
> If it doesnt work, it doesnt work, an explanation of whats wrong on
> Sprint's side is moot.

So you don't want it fixed then?

You just want to keep complaining that it doesn't work?

Fine by me, I'll just take that into consideration next time you start
complaining, you don't want it fixed, you just want to complain about
it.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:

> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
> > >
> > > Like I said, there are several error codes that have 408. Without
> > > knowing WHICH one it is, I can't say what the cause is or what the
> > > resolution is. The error message won't just say Error 408. It will
> > > say HTTP error 408, or FTP error 408, NetError 408 etc..
> >
> >
> > If it doesnt work, it doesnt work, an explanation of whats wrong on
> > Sprint's side is moot.
>
> So you don't want it fixed then?


I said I'm not going to keep Vision. Sprint PCS employees have further
previously stated that calls from single individuals about disruptions
to service are ignored, not too different to how you reacted to my
posting of the web database being down.

Even if Vision had better up time reliability, its still SLOW and
Hyper-SLOW.

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Even if Vision had better up time reliability, its still SLOW and
> Hyper-SLOW.

To anyone reading this troll's tripe let me say that Vision is now a very
reliable product. In my experience, as heavy user, I've had less than a
handful of outright failures in all of 2003. And of course, slow is a
relative term --- is it a broadband connection? No. Is it as good as a 56K
modem -- without wires? No, it's better.

I might also add that Vision's getting better and more reliable as time is
moving along --- and speeds come with these improvements.





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"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mastec <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > If you dont like it, drop it off your plan. Dont whine about it.
> >
>
>
> Did I also mention its slow?

When's the last time you signed on to a dial up account Phillipe? Vision
normally runs between 50K to 70K, which is just a touch quicker than a dial
up.

You mentioned in your original post, that's it real slow. It's not DSL or
cable modem speed capable yet ... In a few years, yes ... it will be. Vision
is a hellava lot quicker than the WW web though, where that was running @
14K ...

Bob

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mastec <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Robert M. wrote:
> > > *Strange thats one thing Sprint PCS brags about in their
> > > commercials.
> > > That it DOES work the same everywhere.*
> >
> > You ***** Idiot ... Some people prefer Cingular, some prefer Verizon
> > and some prefer Sprint. So the services dont work the same for
> > everyone.
>
> We, and you were discussing Sprint PCS Vision.
>
> I proved you wrong and your response it to insult me. Typical of blind
> Sprint PCS apologists. When you can't discuss an issue, insult the
> poster. Really makes Sprint PCS look good to folks considering it. NOT.

Where did you prove him wrong you little immature silly boy ...?

Bob

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mastec <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > You are not worth arguing with anymore.
>
> Cause I proved your lame argument wrong?
>
> Vision works for you better than others when Sprint PCS says it works
> the same everywhere??

What you quoted and what you infer are two different things. It says it work
the same, while on their system ...

Bob

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> If it doesnt work, it doesnt work, an explanation of whats wrong on=20
> Sprint's side is moot.
>=20

It's far more useful if SPCS is to fix it.

But you're not interested in a fix. Only in whining.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> We, and you were discussing Sprint PCS Vision.=20
>=20
> I proved you wrong and your response it to insult me. Typical of blind=20
> Sprint PCS apologists. When you can't discuss an issue, insult the=20
> poster. Really makes Sprint PCS look good to folks considering it. NOT.
>=20

You didn't discuss anything, Phillie. You obfuscated. Vision *does*=20
work the same everywhere on our network. Press the "WEB" button on=20
your phone, and it activates the exact same network function=20
everywhere we have coverage.

*That* is what our claim means. As any objective reader of what you=20
posted knows.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them