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  1. #1
    04.9.41 CVE: Not Available
    Platform: Network Device
    Title: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service
    Description: The T720 phone from Motorola is reported to be unstable
    when handling large amounts of IP traffic. Remote attackers may flood
    vulnerable devices with IP packets to trigger the condition.
    Ref: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archiv...4-03/0005.html



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  2. #2
    Cell merger
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    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    The Motorola T720 is a GSM phone and not used by Sprint PCS.



  3. #3

    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    On 04 Mar 2004 18:27:55 GMT, [email protected] (Cell merger) wrote:

    >The Motorola T720 is a GSM phone and not used by Sprint PCS.


    The Motorola T720 also has a CDMA version marketed by Verizon
    Wireless. It was buggy so was superceded by the 730.




  4. #4
    Robert M.
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    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] wrote:

    > On 04 Mar 2004 18:27:55 GMT, [email protected] (Cell merger) wrote:
    >
    > >The Motorola T720 is a GSM phone and not used by Sprint PCS.

    >
    > The Motorola T720 also has a CDMA version marketed by Verizon
    > Wireless. It was buggy so was superceded by the 730.



    And that is of interest to Sprint PCS folks because?



  5. #5

    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:19:32 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >> On 04 Mar 2004 18:27:55 GMT, [email protected] (Cell merger) wrote:
    >>
    >> >The Motorola T720 is a GSM phone and not used by Sprint PCS.

    >>
    >> The Motorola T720 also has a CDMA version marketed by Verizon
    >> Wireless. It was buggy so was superceded by the 730.

    >
    >
    >And that is of interest to Sprint PCS folks because?


    It's advanced notice of two things:

    1) Motorola is still having problems with their cell phones, this time
    both cdma and GSM.

    2) IP addresses associated with mobile phones ARE being probed by
    those who also probe wired networks.
    If you have a PDA using IP over a mobile phone network or are
    are using a data capable phone as a modem for your laptop or other
    device using Microsoft operating systems FIREWALL THEM and
    otherwise take defensive measures.
    My laptop was probed while connected to SprintPCS.



  6. #6
    Robert M.
    Guest

    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] wrote:

    > On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:19:32 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >In article <[email protected]>,
    > > [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >> On 04 Mar 2004 18:27:55 GMT, [email protected] (Cell merger) wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >The Motorola T720 is a GSM phone and not used by Sprint PCS.
    > >>
    > >> The Motorola T720 also has a CDMA version marketed by Verizon
    > >> Wireless. It was buggy so was superceded by the 730.

    > >
    > >
    > >And that is of interest to Sprint PCS folks because?

    >
    > It's advanced notice of two things:
    >
    > 1) Motorola is still having problems with their cell phones, this time
    > both cdma and GSM.


    Wasnt the T720 replaced by the T730 ?

    Aren't folks fraving about their new models the V400 and V600 ?

    If the T720 is/was bad, does that mean every Motorola phone for ever
    after should be avoided?



  7. #7

    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:09:45 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >> On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:19:32 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >In article <[email protected]>,
    >> > [email protected] wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> On 04 Mar 2004 18:27:55 GMT, [email protected] (Cell merger) wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >The Motorola T720 is a GSM phone and not used by Sprint PCS.
    >> >>
    >> >> The Motorola T720 also has a CDMA version marketed by Verizon
    >> >> Wireless. It was buggy so was superceded by the 730.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >And that is of interest to Sprint PCS folks because?

    >>
    >> It's advanced notice of two things:
    >>
    >> 1) Motorola is still having problems with their cell phones, this time
    >> both cdma and GSM.

    >
    >Wasnt the T720 replaced by the T730 ?
    >
    >Aren't folks fraving about their new models the V400 and V600 ?
    >
    >If the T720 is/was bad, does that mean every Motorola phone for ever
    >after should be avoided?


    Motorola has a long history of buggy cdma phones. Now it's crossed the
    line of being prone to a denial of service attack, independent of
    protocol.

    It would seem prudent to wait a few months after the release of a Moto
    phone to make certain that bugs will be eliminated. Unfortunately,
    even two months were too little for the T720.



  8. #8
    Robert M.
    Guest

    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] wrote:

    > On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:09:45 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >In article <[email protected]>,
    > > [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:19:32 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >In article <[email protected]>,
    > >> > [email protected] wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> On 04 Mar 2004 18:27:55 GMT, [email protected] (Cell merger) wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >The Motorola T720 is a GSM phone and not used by Sprint PCS.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> The Motorola T720 also has a CDMA version marketed by Verizon
    > >> >> Wireless. It was buggy so was superceded by the 730.
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >And that is of interest to Sprint PCS folks because?
    > >>
    > >> It's advanced notice of two things:
    > >>
    > >> 1) Motorola is still having problems with their cell phones, this time
    > >> both cdma and GSM.

    > >
    > >Wasnt the T720 replaced by the T730 ?
    > >
    > >Aren't folks fraving about their new models the V400 and V600 ?
    > >
    > >If the T720 is/was bad, does that mean every Motorola phone for ever
    > >after should be avoided?

    >
    > Motorola has a long history of buggy cdma phones. Now it's crossed the
    > line of being prone to a denial of service attack, independent of
    > protocol.


    One model of its GSM phones has that problem, and you want to
    slam every phone they ever make. Tell us, what do you have against
    Motorola?


    >
    > It would seem prudent to wait a few months after the release of a Moto
    > phone to make certain that bugs will be eliminated. Unfortunately,
    > even two months were too little for the T720.




  9. #9
    Steven J Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    Robert M. <[email protected]> wrote:

    > One model of its GSM phones has that problem, and you want to
    > slam every phone they ever make. Tell us, what do you have against
    > Motorola?


    Motorola is crap.

    I had a StarTAC that held calls well - and Motorola IS known for their
    tenacity in acquiring and holding CDMA signals, it's one of the best reasons
    to get a Moto CDMA handset (not GSM, you were already told the problems were
    with the CDMA 720, try listening next time).

    But the fit and finish was terrible... which is unacceptable in a phone that,
    like so many of Motorola's products, sells for $400-500 at retail.

    And the T720 had dozens of problems. Not just one or two.

    This is germane to SprintPCS if, as has been discussed here, they are
    considering carrying Motorola. There are a couple brands I'll buy, generally,
    when shopping for a phone. Motorola isn't one of them. I expect quality when
    I am paying Motorola's premium price.

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    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:51:19 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    >One model of its GSM phones has that problem,


    That causes the phone to come to a dead halt as a modem. This is a
    VERY SERIOUS problem and a new class of problem, at that.

    >and you want to slam every phone they ever make.


    I'm not slamming them (your term), I'm urging potential buyers to
    wait, perhaps months, until bugs are identified and worked out.

    >Tell us, what do you have against
    >Motorola?


    Someone else has already answered what he has against Motorola. I'm
    hoping that their phone testing improves.




  11. #11
    Steven M. Scharf
    Guest

    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On 04 Mar 2004 18:27:55 GMT, [email protected] (Cell merger) wrote:
    >
    > >The Motorola T720 is a GSM phone and not used by Sprint PCS.

    >
    > The Motorola T720 also has a CDMA version marketed by Verizon
    > Wireless. It was buggy so was superceded by the 730.


    This is true. But the T730 solved the T720 issues, and is a pretty good
    phone if you're looking for a CDMA/AMPS flip phone. It's better than the LG
    VX4400 offered by Verizon (now discontinued in favor of the digital-only LG
    VX4500).

    The big advantage of the Motorola phones is that they tend to have better RF
    performance than the LG or Samsung phones, especially on AMPS, but even on
    CDMA. The few Nokia CDMA phones also do well in terms of RF performance.

    On Verizon, the only decent speakerphone now being sold is the Motorola
    V60s.

    The other advantage of Motorola phones is the build quality (again versus
    phones from companies such as LG and Samsung).

    Alas, the carriers don't like Motorola all that much since the Motorola
    phones tend to be pricier. There is a new one coming late this year that's
    going to be awesome, if it works right!





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    Robert M.
    Guest

    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] wrote:

    > On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:51:19 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    > >One model of its GSM phones has that problem,

    >
    > That causes the phone to come to a dead halt as a modem. This is a
    > VERY SERIOUS problem and a new class of problem, at that.



    And what percentage of users use their phone as a modem? And what
    percentage of those have yet encountered this newly identified issue?

    >
    > >and you want to slam every phone they ever make.

    >
    > I'm not slamming them (your term), I'm urging potential buyers to
    > wait, perhaps months, until bugs are identified and worked out.
    >
    > >Tell us, what do you have against
    > >Motorola?

    >
    > Someone else has already answered what he has against Motorola. I'm
    > hoping that their phone testing improves.


    You are aware of the grief Sprint PCS users have had with some Samsung
    phone that went through many versions of firmware before they became
    useable, and for which SprintPCS had a secret recall program prior to
    the latest firmeare. i.e. You went into your SprintPCS showroom and
    complained that your A500 or N400 didnt work properly, you would get a
    new different phone, but only if you complained. Then their was the
    Samsung 8500 which also had a secret recall, and would be replaced with
    the newer slipstreamed model ==> if you complained <==.

    If one waits for a phone to be fully tested out to your satuisfactioon
    before buying out, you may find its been discontinued already.
    Motorola's track record is no worse than any other manufacturer of cell
    phones.



  13. #13

    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 14:26:28 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    >You are aware of the grief Sprint PCS users have had with some Samsung
    >phone that went through many versions of firmware before they became
    >useable,


    And that's why I've strenuously avoided Samsung phones!

    >If one waits for a phone to be fully tested out to your satuisfactioon
    >before buying out, you may find its been discontinued already.


    I've never been disappointed with my selection of Sanyos.

    Sanyo has a much better track record than Motorola.




  14. #14
    John Richards
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    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    > The other advantage of Motorola phones is the build quality (again versus
    > phones from companies such as LG and Samsung).


    Are you serious? My daughter has a Motorola T720i and the flip hinge breaks every few
    months. She's on her third one. My son has a different Motorola ( I forget the
    model) that is also falling apart. Compare that with a pair of Samsung 8500's
    my wife and I had for three years. Nothing went bad on those, and I'd still use 'em
    if they did Vision.

    --
    John Richards





  15. #15
    Robert M.
    Guest

    Re: Motorola T720 Phone Denial Of Service

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] wrote:

    > I've never been disappointed with my selection of Sanyos.
    >
    > Sanyo has a much better track record than Motorola.


    Fine but what do you recommend to customers of other Carriers
    that typically sell Motorolas, but carry no Sanyo models?



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