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  1. #1
    Bob Smith
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    Just noticed a post on the alt.privacy.spyware Usenet newsgroup, where
    Verizon is loading up spyware on their CDs given to new customers ... If
    anyone is interested, here's the link -
    http://rlenews.com/04/040311.html#verizon

    Bob

    PS: If you haven't checked out what's going on with your hard drive and
    would like to do so, there are a couple of spyware-malware-adware
    detectors/remover software out there that you might want to check out. I've
    been using them for awhile, and just had my daughter download and install
    these free programs ... She had 105 notifications ...

    Spybot S & D - http://www.safer-networking.org/
    Ad-Aware - http://lavasoft.element5.com/software/adaware/

    It's recommended to update both products each time you start them up.





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  2. #2
    Steven J Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    Newsgroups expanded to include alt.cellular.verizon...

    Bob Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Just noticed a post on the alt.privacy.spyware Usenet newsgroup, where
    > Verizon is loading up spyware on their CDs given to new customers ... If
    > anyone is interested, here's the link -
    > http://rlenews.com/04/040311.html#verizon


    And this relates to SprintPCS how?

    Boy, this sucks. I have two VZW lines and no longer need the second line,
    and was going to port it to Sprint PCS anyhow, but if this is how VZW
    operates I'll cancel the second line outright and port my main number (which
    is advertised on my business cards) to Sprint. I have issues with Sprint,
    but at least they don't play games like that, and if VZW is going to screw
    with people this way, I won't keep my main VZW line *or* the secondary line.

    With most of my family members using Sprint anyhow, I'll save lots of
    money on airtime...

    (What a load of *bull****.* They don't deserve new customers if this is
    how the new customers get treated?)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
    Domain Names, $9.95/yr, 24x7 service: http://DomainNames.JustThe.net/
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  3. #3
    Peterbilt
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    It makes me wonder if there is any way a person could sue for this sort of
    thing.

    "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:4Pv4c.18326$%[email protected]
    > Just noticed a post on the alt.privacy.spyware Usenet newsgroup, where
    > Verizon is loading up spyware on their CDs given to new customers ... If
    > anyone is interested, here's the link -
    > http://rlenews.com/04/040311.html#verizon
    >
    > Bob
    >
    > PS: If you haven't checked out what's going on with your hard drive and
    > would like to do so, there are a couple of spyware-malware-adware
    > detectors/remover software out there that you might want to check out.

    I've
    > been using them for awhile, and just had my daughter download and install
    > these free programs ... She had 105 notifications ...
    >
    > Spybot S & D - http://www.safer-networking.org/
    > Ad-Aware - http://lavasoft.element5.com/software/adaware/
    >
    > It's recommended to update both products each time you start them up.
    >
    >







  4. #4
    Michael Quinlan
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<Z5SdnSP___ZD[email protected]>...

    > Newsgroups expanded to include alt.cellular.verizon...
    >
    > Bob Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Just noticed a post on the alt.privacy.spyware Usenet newsgroup, where
    > > Verizon is loading up spyware on their CDs given to new customers ... If
    > > anyone is interested, here's the link -
    > > http://rlenews.com/04/040311.html#verizon

    >
    > And this relates to SprintPCS how?
    >
    > Boy, this sucks. I have two VZW lines and no longer need the second line,
    > and was going to port it to Sprint PCS anyhow, but if this is how VZW
    > operates I'll cancel the second line outright and port my main number (which
    > is advertised on my business cards) to Sprint. I have issues with Sprint,
    > but at least they don't play games like that, and if VZW is going to screw
    > with people this way, I won't keep my main VZW line *or* the secondary line.
    >
    > With most of my family members using Sprint anyhow, I'll save lots of
    > money on airtime...
    >
    > (What a load of *bull****.* They don't deserve new customers if this is
    > how the new customers get treated?)


    No offense, but I read through the links provided in this thread, and
    the links that those links contain, and it all seems like a bunch of
    CR*P. If any of this were true, particularly the part about having
    received instructions on how to remove the "spyware", why doesn't the
    author share *THAT* information?

    He offers no proof of his statements other copies of easily forged
    emails. How can I detect if this has happened to me? How can I
    correct the problem if it *HAS* happened to me? He doesn't say, he
    doesn't know, because this probably hasn't happened to anybody -
    including him.

    I'll admit I may be wrong, but to jump on the bandwagon and take such
    a flimsy story at face value is ridiculous.



  5. #5
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...


    "Michael Quinlan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message

    news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    > > Newsgroups expanded to include alt.cellular.verizon...
    > >
    > > Bob Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > > Just noticed a post on the alt.privacy.spyware Usenet newsgroup, where
    > > > Verizon is loading up spyware on their CDs given to new customers ...

    If
    > > > anyone is interested, here's the link -
    > > > http://rlenews.com/04/040311.html#verizon

    > >
    > > And this relates to SprintPCS how?
    > >
    > > Boy, this sucks. I have two VZW lines and no longer need the second

    line,
    > > and was going to port it to Sprint PCS anyhow, but if this is how VZW
    > > operates I'll cancel the second line outright and port my main number

    (which
    > > is advertised on my business cards) to Sprint. I have issues with

    Sprint,
    > > but at least they don't play games like that, and if VZW is going to

    screw
    > > with people this way, I won't keep my main VZW line *or* the secondary

    line.
    > >
    > > With most of my family members using Sprint anyhow, I'll save lots of
    > > money on airtime...
    > >
    > > (What a load of *bull****.* They don't deserve new customers if this is
    > > how the new customers get treated?)

    >
    > No offense, but I read through the links provided in this thread, and
    > the links that those links contain, and it all seems like a bunch of
    > CR*P. If any of this were true, particularly the part about having
    > received instructions on how to remove the "spyware", why doesn't the
    > author share *THAT* information?


    First off, I should have added the second link from that alt.privacy.spyware
    article. You might want to read at least the first link on the web page.

    http://www.obri.net/verizon/ . On this page, he provides a full history of
    email sent to Verizon and received from Verizon.

    It's not the original author's responsibility to tell everyone how to
    remove the spyware.

    >
    > He offers no proof of his statements other copies of easily forged
    > emails. How can I detect if this has happened to me? How can I
    > correct the problem if it *HAS* happened to me? He doesn't say, he
    > doesn't know, because this probably hasn't happened to anybody -
    > including him.


    I've seen a quite a few messages with regards to noptify.exe on
    alt.privacy.spyware recently. You can see other mentions it on the web by
    doing a Google search ... http://www.google.com/search?q=Noptify . From
    reading some of the links, this doesn't look like it's a dangerous
    adware-spyware product. It's just that I don't like anyone putting any
    friggin' files on my hard drive that I don't want or need.

    > I'll admit I may be wrong, but to jump on the bandwagon and take such
    > a flimsy story at face value is ridiculous.


    Take the time to read it the information... It might open your eyes a bit.

    Bob





  6. #6
    benzplan9
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    Michael Quinlan wrote:
    > Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    >
    >>Newsgroups expanded to include alt.cellular.verizon...
    >>
    >>Bob Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Just noticed a post on the alt.privacy.spyware Usenet newsgroup, where
    >>>Verizon is loading up spyware on their CDs given to new customers ... If
    >>>anyone is interested, here's the link -
    >>>http://rlenews.com/04/040311.html#verizon

    >>
    >>And this relates to SprintPCS how?
    >>
    >>Boy, this sucks. I have two VZW lines and no longer need the second line,
    >>and was going to port it to Sprint PCS anyhow, but if this is how VZW
    >>operates I'll cancel the second line outright and port my main number (which
    >>is advertised on my business cards) to Sprint. I have issues with Sprint,
    >>but at least they don't play games like that, and if VZW is going to screw
    >>with people this way, I won't keep my main VZW line *or* the secondary line.
    >>
    >>With most of my family members using Sprint anyhow, I'll save lots of
    >>money on airtime...
    >>
    >>(What a load of *bull****.* They don't deserve new customers if this is
    >>how the new customers get treated?)

    >
    >
    > No offense, but I read through the links provided in this thread, and
    > the links that those links contain, and it all seems like a bunch of
    > CR*P. If any of this were true, particularly the part about having
    > received instructions on how to remove the "spyware", why doesn't the
    > author share *THAT* information?
    >
    > He offers no proof of his statements other copies of easily forged
    > emails. How can I detect if this has happened to me? How can I
    > correct the problem if it *HAS* happened to me? He doesn't say, he
    > doesn't know, because this probably hasn't happened to anybody -
    > including him.
    >
    > I'll admit I may be wrong, but to jump on the bandwagon and take such
    > a flimsy story at face value is ridiculous.


    Michael, this claim of spyware is easily confirmed. Get a copy of the
    Welcome CD, install it and look for the "phone" home attempts if any.
    Oh, be sure your firewall "shields are up". You do have a firewall
    don't you?

    --
    BrZ



  7. #7
    Robert M.
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (Michael Quinlan) wrote:

    > I'll admit I may be wrong,


    Go run Adaware before making any assumptions.



  8. #8
    Scott Nelson
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    Did you read the warning and click on the OK button to continue the install?
    ;-)
    It's sucks but, other than education and not installing the software, there
    is not much you can do.

    I am not ditching Verizon for it anyway.
    I wonder if it could be one of those things that maybe the software vendor
    is doing it and Verizon doesn't even know it happening, kind of things?

    Scotty


    "Peterbilt" <amazon-*****@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSeudoramail.com> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > It makes me wonder if there is any way a person could sue for this sort of
    > thing.
    >
    > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:4Pv4c.18326$%[email protected]
    > > Just noticed a post on the alt.privacy.spyware Usenet newsgroup, where
    > > Verizon is loading up spyware on their CDs given to new customers ... If
    > > anyone is interested, here's the link -
    > > http://rlenews.com/04/040311.html#verizon
    > >
    > > Bob
    > >
    > > PS: If you haven't checked out what's going on with your hard drive and
    > > would like to do so, there are a couple of spyware-malware-adware
    > > detectors/remover software out there that you might want to check out.

    > I've
    > > been using them for awhile, and just had my daughter download and

    install
    > > these free programs ... She had 105 notifications ...
    > >
    > > Spybot S & D - http://www.safer-networking.org/
    > > Ad-Aware - http://lavasoft.element5.com/software/adaware/
    > >
    > > It's recommended to update both products each time you start them up.
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    >






  9. #9
    Scott Nelson
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    If phone service is not as important as making calls, more power to ya. :-)
    I've got both SprintPCS and Verizon and there are times when SprintPCS just
    isn't there coverage-wise.

    My business model can't be without a phone.
    It's another one of those YMMV things I guess. ;-)

    Scotty



    "Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Newsgroups expanded to include alt.cellular.verizon...
    >
    > Bob Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Just noticed a post on the alt.privacy.spyware Usenet newsgroup, where
    > > Verizon is loading up spyware on their CDs given to new customers ... If
    > > anyone is interested, here's the link -
    > > http://rlenews.com/04/040311.html#verizon

    >
    > And this relates to SprintPCS how?
    >
    > Boy, this sucks. I have two VZW lines and no longer need the second line,
    > and was going to port it to Sprint PCS anyhow, but if this is how VZW
    > operates I'll cancel the second line outright and port my main number

    (which
    > is advertised on my business cards) to Sprint. I have issues with Sprint,
    > but at least they don't play games like that, and if VZW is going to screw
    > with people this way, I won't keep my main VZW line *or* the secondary

    line.
    >
    > With most of my family members using Sprint anyhow, I'll save lots of
    > money on airtime...
    >
    > (What a load of *bull****.* They don't deserve new customers if this is
    > how the new customers get treated?)
    >
    > --
    > JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA PGP:

    0xE3AE35ED
    > Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /

    [email protected]
    > Domain Names, $9.95/yr, 24x7 service: http://DomainNames.JustThe.net/
    > "someone once called me a sofa, but i didn't feel compelled to rush out

    and buy
    > slip covers." -adam brower * Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows

    98/2000/2003





  10. #10
    Robert M.
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Scott Nelson" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I wonder if it could be one of those things that maybe the software vendor
    > is doing it and Verizon doesn't even know it happening, kind of things?


    It certainly could.



  11. #11
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...


    "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Scott Nelson" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > I wonder if it could be one of those things that maybe the software

    vendor
    > > is doing it and Verizon doesn't even know it happening, kind of things?

    >
    > It certainly could.


    Verizon certainly knows what's going on, via the email replies to the
    original poster our of Rio Linda, CA ...

    Bob





  12. #12
    benzplan9
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    Robert M. wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Scott Nelson" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I wonder if it could be one of those things that maybe the software vendor
    >>is doing it and Verizon doesn't even know it happening, kind of things?

    >
    >
    > It certainly could.


    If so it means Verizon is sending out software that they have no idea
    what it does!!!

    I don't think so. Otherwise it puts all Verizon software, firmware,
    products, and services under suspicion.

    --
    BrZ



  13. #13
    Steven J Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Scott Nelson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > If phone service is not as important as making calls, more power to ya. :-)


    Yawn. Everyone tells me that. People keep on parroting the same tired line
    over and over again. Fact is, back in Mentor on the Lake, Ohio, Sprint
    managed to get a tower built at Reynolds Road and Lake Shore Blvd in Mentor,
    two minutes from my house, and until Verizon fixed their coverage issues in
    M-O-L, Sprint had *far* better coverage there.

    Sprint and Verizon seem to be equal here. Verizon has a couple issues in
    one or two spots in the Victorville/Apple Valley area, but given their
    track record of addressing coverage issues, I'm not worried that they will
    get fixed;

    > I've got both SprintPCS and Verizon and there are times when SprintPCS just
    > isn't there coverage-wise.


    So? I have both and there are times when Verizon isn't there coverage-wise
    either.

    Actually, I want to keep a Verizon account open because Sprint isn't
    deploying 1x-EV/DO and won't be deploying EV/DV for a year or two, while
    Verizon is supposedly launching EV/DO nationwide later this year and is
    testing it in San Diego and DC now. But if Verizon is going to treat
    their customers in the manner described on the web page, I don't need 'em.

    I have a Sprint PCS account authorized for two lines. I only have one line
    on the account currently. I got my second Verizon line for business purposes,
    but I no longer need it, so when the contracts on both lines are up in June,
    I will be getting rid of one of them regardless. Either I will keep the one
    VZW line and move the second line to Sprint or I'll close both VZW lines
    and end up with two cell phones instead of three. How this spyware issue
    plays out will decide exactly what I do in June.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
    Domain Names, $9.95/yr, 24x7 service: http://DomainNames.JustThe.net/
    "someone once called me a sofa, but i didn't feel compelled to rush out and buy
    slip covers." -adam brower * Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows 98/2000/2003



  14. #14
    Steven J Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    benzplan9 <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> It certainly could.

    >
    > If so it means Verizon is sending out software that they have no idea
    > what it does!!!
    >
    > I don't think so. Otherwise it puts all Verizon software, firmware,
    > products, and services under suspicion.


    I have to agree with this. I think Verizon Wireless knows exactly what they're
    doing, and I think it's going to bite them in the ass.

    Fortunately, I live in an area served by the television stations that also
    service the second-largest broadcast market in the country. It may be time
    to call down to Los Angeles and get a couple consumer reporters interested
    in the story.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
    Domain Names, $9.95/yr, 24x7 service: http://DomainNames.JustThe.net/
    "someone once called me a sofa, but i didn't feel compelled to rush out and buy
    slip covers." -adam brower * Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows 98/2000/2003



  15. #15
    Kenneth Crudup
    Guest

    Re: Verizon is spying ...

    In article <4Pv4c.18326$%[email protected]>,
    "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> says:

    >http://rlenews.com/04/040311.html#verizon


    Paranoia. We aren't given any info as to what it's trying to send. For
    all we know, it could be determining if there's an update available.

    -Kenny

    --
    Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles
    H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898
    W: 26601 Agoura Road, Calabasas, CA 91302-1959 (818) 444-3685



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