Use PCS for internect connection via laptop???

"Lawrence Glasser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Scott Stephenson wrote:
> >
> > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > And how is that different from the broadband ISP's that are shutting
> > > people
> > > > down for using more than an acceptable amount of bandwidth in a
month,
> > but
> > > > never stating what the threshold is?
> > >
> > > They do that? I've only heard, via Earthlink, they do that on
downloads
> > > through newsgroups. Nothing via internet downloads though.
> > >
> >
> > Comcast has quite a reputation for it- there have been quite a few
articles
> > over the last couple of months. They won't say what "too much" is, and
one
> > day you get a letter, telling you that you are using too much bandwith.
If
> > you can't figure out the magic number, service is halted.
> >
> > I'm holding my breath- Adelphia is rumored to be shopping itself around,
and
> > I'd hate like hell to end up as a Comcast cusotmer. I'm sure I'd fall
well
> > under the magic number, but I like to know the rules when I pay for
service.
>
> Time Warner / Road Runner was also talking about putting limits on uploads
> and/or downloads.
>
> Anything over your "limit" would cost you additional fees /MB (for
example).
>
> The option would be to purchase a "higher limit" plan.
>

Are they mentioning hard numbers?

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Scott Stephenson wrote:
>
> "Lawrence Glasser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Scott Stephenson wrote:
> > >
> > > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > And how is that different from the broadband ISP's that are shutting
> > > > people
> > > > > down for using more than an acceptable amount of bandwidth in a
> month,
> > > but
> > > > > never stating what the threshold is?
> > > >
> > > > They do that? I've only heard, via Earthlink, they do that on
> downloads
> > > > through newsgroups. Nothing via internet downloads though.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Comcast has quite a reputation for it- there have been quite a few
> articles
> > > over the last couple of months. They won't say what "too much" is, and
> one
> > > day you get a letter, telling you that you are using too much bandwith.
> If
> > > you can't figure out the magic number, service is halted.
> > >
> > > I'm holding my breath- Adelphia is rumored to be shopping itself around,
> and
> > > I'd hate like hell to end up as a Comcast cusotmer. I'm sure I'd fall
> well
> > > under the magic number, but I like to know the rules when I pay for
> service.
> >
> > Time Warner / Road Runner was also talking about putting limits on uploads
> > and/or downloads.
> >
> > Anything over your "limit" would cost you additional fees /MB (for
> example).
> >
> > The option would be to purchase a "higher limit" plan.
> >
>
> Are they mentioning hard numbers?

I'll have to search the archives for the discussion. It was a few months ago.

Larry

Lawrence Glasser wrote:
>
> Scott Stephenson wrote:
> >
> > "Lawrence Glasser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Scott Stephenson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And how is that different from the broadband ISP's that are shutting
> > > > > people
> > > > > > down for using more than an acceptable amount of bandwidth in a
> > month,
> > > > but
> > > > > > never stating what the threshold is?
> > > > >
> > > > > They do that? I've only heard, via Earthlink, they do that on
> > downloads
> > > > > through newsgroups. Nothing via internet downloads though.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Comcast has quite a reputation for it- there have been quite a few
> > articles
> > > > over the last couple of months. They won't say what "too much" is, and
> > one
> > > > day you get a letter, telling you that you are using too much bandwith.
> > If
> > > > you can't figure out the magic number, service is halted.
> > > >
> > > > I'm holding my breath- Adelphia is rumored to be shopping itself around,
> > and
> > > > I'd hate like hell to end up as a Comcast cusotmer. I'm sure I'd fall
> > well
> > > > under the magic number, but I like to know the rules when I pay for
> > service.
> > >
> > > Time Warner / Road Runner was also talking about putting limits on uploads
> > > and/or downloads.
> > >
> > > Anything over your "limit" would cost you additional fees /MB (for
> > example).
> > >
> > > The option would be to purchase a "higher limit" plan.
> > >
> >
> > Are they mentioning hard numbers?
>
> I'll have to search the archives for the discussion. It was a few months ago.
>
> Larry

Scott -

Actually, it turns out the subject was broached almost a year ago...

Have a look at http://help.rr.com/getpage.asp?/faqs/e_tieredfaqs.html.

If your server doesn't allow you to get to it, let me know.

Larry

"Lawrence Glasser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> Scott -
>
> Actually, it turns out the subject was broached almost a year ago...
>
> Have a look at http://help.rr.com/getpage.asp?/faqs/e_tieredfaqs.html.
>
> If your server doesn't allow you to get to it, let me know.
>
> Larry

It wants me to set up an account to access the info. No big deal- I was
just curious. Most of the big ISP's that are pulling this are very vague
about acceptable usage, in their eyes. I was just curious if anybody had
the jewels to publish the actual numbers.

Scott Stephenson wrote:
>
> "Lawrence Glasser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >
> > Scott -
> >
> > Actually, it turns out the subject was broached almost a year ago...
> >
> > Have a look at http://help.rr.com/getpage.asp?/faqs/e_tieredfaqs.html.
> >
> > If your server doesn't allow you to get to it, let me know.
> >
> > Larry
>
> It wants me to set up an account to access the info. No big deal- I was
> just curious. Most of the big ISP's that are pulling this are very vague
> about acceptable usage, in their eyes. I was just curious if anybody had
> the jewels to publish the actual numbers.

If you'll confirm your real e-mail address, I'll send you the details from
Road Runner.

I'd rather not post them, publicly, as I don't know if Road Runner looks at
this as any type of subscriber violation.

Larry

In article <rmarkoff-321B98.05225523042004
@news04.east.earthlink.net>, [email protected] says...
> And its a secret the point at which they may come after you.
>=20
>=20

Ask an officer when you'll get a ticket. They'll cite the posted=20
speed limit. If you're over, you're over. It doesn't matter in the=20
least how much you falsely claim it is allowed.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <rmarkoff-F5C8B8.05040723042004
@news04.east.earthlink.net>, [email protected] says...
> It was discussed at length in this thread. The secret is that its not=20
> enforced till you get to a SECRET level (which is a 2nd secret)..
>=20
> BUT YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY, you posted it:
>=20

No secret, Phillie. It's explicitly explained in the=20
Term&Conditions. Unlimited Vision access packs don't cover use of=20
the phone tethered to another computing device.
--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <[email protected]>,
O/Siris <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote:

> In article <rmarkoff-F5C8B8.05040723042004
> @news04.east.earthlink.net>, [email protected] says...
> > It was discussed at length in this thread. The secret is that its not
> > enforced till you get to a SECRET level (which is a 2nd secret)..
> >
> > BUT YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY, you posted it:
> >
>
> No secret, Phillie. It's explicitly explained in the
> Term&Conditions. Unlimited Vision access packs don't cover use of
> the phone tethered to another computing device.

Nobody's arguing that. What has been said, (and you ignore) is that
by having that policy and then only very selectively enforcing it, you
encourage abuse.

It's akin to telling someone they can't drive this rocket car, but
police wont bother to stop then unless they do over maybe 120 mph, but
no one knows what the sped is.

In article <[email protected]>,
O/Siris <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote:

> In article <rmarkoff-321B98.05225523042004
> @news04.east.earthlink.net>, [email protected] says...
> > And its a secret the point at which they may come after you.
> >
> >
>
> Ask an officer when you'll get a ticket. They'll cite the posted
> speed limit. If you're over, you're over. It doesn't matter in the
> least how much you falsely claim it is allowed.


But the limnit is Zero ! you just said so:


In article <[email protected]>,
O/Siris <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's explicitly explained in the
> Term&Conditions. Unlimited Vision access packs don't cover use of
> the phone tethered to another computing device.


So its not allowed at all. But its only secretly enforced if one is over
some secret limit.

It's like driving an unlicensed Rocket Car and being told no one will
stop you unless you go over some secret speed limit, maybe 500 mph?

> "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > And how is that different from the broadband ISP's that are shutting
> > people
> > > down for using more than an acceptable amount of bandwidth in a month,
> but
> > > never stating what the threshold is?
> >
> > They do that? I've only heard, via Earthlink, they do that on downloads
> > through newsgroups.

Earthlink limits broadband users to 5 Gigs per 30 days, and caps one's
download speed to 64kbps if one goes over. No secret here !

http://support.earthlink.net/mu/1/ps...r/landingpage/
8532.psc.html

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > And how is that different from the broadband ISP's that are shutting
> > > people
> > > > down for using more than an acceptable amount of bandwidth in a
month,
> > but
> > > > never stating what the threshold is?
> > >
> > > They do that? I've only heard, via Earthlink, they do that on
downloads
> > > through newsgroups.
>
> Earthlink limits broadband users to 5 Gigs per 30 days, and caps one's
> download speed to 64kbps if one goes over. No secret here !
>
> http://support.earthlink.net/mu/1/ps...r/landingpage/
> 8532.psc.html

You ASS!. That link goes to EL's Newsgroup FAQ. That's exactly what I said
above, that Earthlink only does that when down or uploading through their
newsgroup server, not via the web.

Bob

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
>
> > "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > But the police can still write you a ticket if you're doing 1 MpH over
> > > > the limit.
> > >
> > > They don't because they won't get a conviction if its contested as their
> > > equipment isn't that precise.
> > >
> >
> > Wether or not it can get contested is irrelevant, they can still write
> > you a ticket.
>
> Fine but its the wrong analogy. Sprint doesn't say (except as a secret
> policy, you can use you phone as a modem).
>
> So the analogy is someone with no drivers license not getting stopped
> until they get to a secret speed over 120 mph.

But they can still write you a ticket for doing one over the speed
limit, that is no secret. Just because they don't most of the time,
does that make it legal? No, it's still against the law. Just
because most people do it, does it make it legal? NO.

Same thing, you tether your phone to your laptop to surf the web,
you're in a violation of the ToS and can have your service terminated.

Why are they goilg against the heavy users right now? This is pure
speculation, but probabaly because they are the biggest issue right
now, they're hogging the bandwidth with their extremely high usage not
allowing others a good connection who LEGALY use it. The more it's
used the slower it is. The people who are paying for their card and
the $100 (or whatever their cost is) plan for unlimited access to do
that are being cheated out. The people who use their G1000 or Treo
600 to surf the web are being cheated. Even the casual users who just
wants to check the baseball scores though their 4900 is being cheated
because of it. The extreme laptop users are hpgging the bandwidth,
less bandwidth = slower speeds.

You complained about it yourself, your Vision access was too slow,
maybe it was because you had several people violating the ToS in your
area who are now under investigation. They get knocked off, they
clear up that bandwidth.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:

> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
> >
> > > "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But the police can still write you a ticket if you're doing 1 MpH
> > > > > over
> > > > > the limit.
> > > >
> > > > They don't because they won't get a conviction if its contested as
> > > > their
> > > > equipment isn't that precise.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Wether or not it can get contested is irrelevant, they can still write
> > > you a ticket.
> >
> > Fine but its the wrong analogy. Sprint doesn't say (except as a secret
> > policy, you can use you phone as a modem).
> >
> > So the analogy is someone with no drivers license not getting stopped
> > until they get to a secret speed over 120 mph.
>
> But they can still write you a ticket for doing one over the speed
> limit, that is no secret.

But that would get thrown out of court if contested, due to inprecision
of speedometer and radar devices.

> This is pure speculation...
> You complained about it yourself, your Vision access was too slow,
> maybe it was because you had several people violating the ToS in your
> area who are now under investigation. They get knocked off, they
> clear up that bandwidth.


I saw no difference in speed regardless of day of week or time of day.
Vision has too much overhead, and I've CANCELLED it, So I speculate your
speculation is all wet.

"Robert M." wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> O/Siris <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <rmarkoff-321B98.05225523042004
> > @news04.east.earthlink.net>, [email protected] says...
> > > And its a secret the point at which they may come after you.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Ask an officer when you'll get a ticket. They'll cite the posted
> > speed limit. If you're over, you're over. It doesn't matter in the
> > least how much you falsely claim it is allowed.
>
> But the limnit is Zero ! you just said so:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> O/Siris <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > It's explicitly explained in the
> > Term&Conditions. Unlimited Vision access packs don't cover use of
> > the phone tethered to another computing device.
>
> So its not allowed at all. But its only secretly enforced if one is over
> some secret limit.
>
> It's like driving an unlicensed Rocket Car and being told no one will
> stop you unless you go over some secret speed limit, maybe 500 mph?

What's with you and these "secrets?"

Sprint is giving you a break if you don't "drive way over the posted
speed limit."

You're so intent on arguing every subject that comes up, you can't
comprehend simple reasoning.

Larry

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> And its a secret the point at which they may come after you.

Kind of like this , I suppose (and this is only one of many doing this):

From a January article in the LA Times:

" Comcast Limits Broadband Usage
From Associated Press

January 30, 2004

By all accounts, George Nussbaum demands a lot from his Internet
connection. He streams video and transfers large files from his
office. His family downloads movie trailers, and his stepson
listens to and buys music online.

Nussbaum subscribed to his cable TV provider's high-speed
Internet service, which, he thought, was built for such
high-bandwidth activities. Then, in November, he got a letter
from the provider, Comcast Corp., ordering him to dial down his
usage or face service termination.

Until last summer, the service was advertised as "unlimited."

But Comcast, citing a fuzzy "acceptable use" policy, is now
cracking down on the heaviest users on the premise that their
consumption could degrade neighbors' service.

Some broadband providers are beginning to offer different tiers
of service, charging high-volume users more. Comcast, critics
say, is trying to impose limits without telling consumers that
the service is limited.

Nussbaum, who at first had no idea how many gigabytes he
consumed, was willing to cut back. He called to find out by how
much, but customer service had no answer. Then he asked how much
he used. Again, Comcast wouldn't provide a number.

Last month, Nussbaum got a second letter threatening suspension
or termination, so he decided to sign up for a digital subscriber
line offered by his phone company.

"How am I supposed to know what my limits are?" said Nussbaum,
an engineer from Plaistow, N.H.

Nussbaum isn't the only unhappy customer. Randy Jackson of
Colonia, N.J., received form letters with blank date fields.
Tallon Nishihata of suburban Tacoma, Wash., said his letters
referred him to a pricey business-grade service that wasn't
available in his area.

Most broadband companies have vague policies, but Comcast's
appears to be the most aggressively enforced. It provides no
tools for monitoring bandwidth, and it does not give any
specific guidance.

Comcast says the few people who receive the warning letters
typically consume 100 times more than the average user.

But the cable firm refused to reveal the average consumption
among its 4.8 million high-speed subscribers."