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  1. #1
    Captain
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    Question, maybe a stupid one. If I was to buy one of those pre pay kyocera
    slider phones for virgin, could I hook I swap a phone number from a sprint
    pcs phone to the slider and have it on my pcs plan? I know they share the
    towers so I was wondering. Thanks.


    Capt.





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  2. #2
    Robert M.
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    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Captain" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Question, maybe a stupid one. If I was to buy one of those pre pay kyocera
    > slider phones for virgin, could I hook I swap a phone number from a sprint
    > pcs phone to the slider and have it on my pcs plan? I know they share the
    > towers so I was wondering. Thanks.


    Virgin uses the SprintPCS network. SprintPCS only uses phones sold by
    SprintPCS. You could have a SprintPCS phone number ported to Virgin
    for use on a Virgin phone with a Virgin set of prepaid minutes.


    I wonder about those slider phones. Why slide and protect the keys,
    wouldn't it be more prudent to have the screen hidden and protected?



  3. #3
    Bob Smith
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    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs


    "Captain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Question, maybe a stupid one. If I was to buy one of those pre pay kyocera
    > slider phones for virgin, could I hook I swap a phone number from a sprint
    > pcs phone to the slider and have it on my pcs plan? I know they share the
    > towers so I was wondering. Thanks.
    >
    >
    > Capt.


    No, if I understand you right. SPCS will not allow any phones that don't
    have ESNs in their database. They will not allow non branded SPCS phones in
    their system either.

    Bob





  4. #4
    Stuart Friedman
    Guest

    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs

    Agreed. The technology is obviously compatible, but Sprint won't do it.
    Too bad that CDMA doesn't use SIM cards, then again, perhaps that is why
    less mobiles are stolen in the US than in Europe.

    Stu
    "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Captain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > Question, maybe a stupid one. If I was to buy one of those pre pay

    kyocera
    > > slider phones for virgin, could I hook I swap a phone number from a

    sprint
    > > pcs phone to the slider and have it on my pcs plan? I know they share

    the
    > > towers so I was wondering. Thanks.
    > >
    > >
    > > Capt.

    >
    > No, if I understand you right. SPCS will not allow any phones that don't
    > have ESNs in their database. They will not allow non branded SPCS phones

    in
    > their system either.
    >
    > Bob
    >
    >






  5. #5
    Captain
    Guest

    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs

    question then, why won't sprint do it? if the technology is the same and you
    don't need to unlock anything, then what the hell is the deal?

    Capt.

    "Stuart Friedman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Agreed. The technology is obviously compatible, but Sprint won't do it.
    > Too bad that CDMA doesn't use SIM cards, then again, perhaps that is why
    > less mobiles are stolen in the US than in Europe.
    >
    > Stu
    > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > >
    > > "Captain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]
    > > > Question, maybe a stupid one. If I was to buy one of those pre pay

    > kyocera
    > > > slider phones for virgin, could I hook I swap a phone number from a

    > sprint
    > > > pcs phone to the slider and have it on my pcs plan? I know they share

    > the
    > > > towers so I was wondering. Thanks.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Capt.

    > >
    > > No, if I understand you right. SPCS will not allow any phones that don't
    > > have ESNs in their database. They will not allow non branded SPCS phones

    > in
    > > their system either.
    > >
    > > Bob
    > >
    > >

    >
    >






  6. #6
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs


    "Captain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > question then, why won't sprint do it? if the technology is the same and

    you
    > don't need to unlock anything, then what the hell is the deal?
    >
    > Capt.


    Because Virgin uses phones that SPCS doesn't sell or support ... that's what
    the hell the deal is!

    Bob





  7. #7
    TechGeek
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    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs

    "Captain" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > question then, why won't sprint do it? if the technology is the same and you
    > don't need to unlock anything, then what the hell is the deal?
    >
    > Capt.
    >


    Virgin Mobile is a joine venture between Sprint PCS and VIrgin
    Records. Sprint supplies the network and that end, while Virgin
    supplies the end-user equipment and support.

    I'm sure it's somewhere in the agreement that Sprint cannot take VM
    phones to be used on their plans (and vice versa), and I think Virgin
    would be pretty upset if Sprint did activate one on their plan (they
    spent the money but won't get the revinue).



  8. #8
    Robert M.
    Guest

    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:

    > "Captain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > question then, why won't sprint do it? if the technology is the same and
    > > you
    > > don't need to unlock anything, then what the hell is the deal?
    > >
    > > Capt.
    > >

    >
    > Virgin Mobile is a joine venture between Sprint PCS and VIrgin
    > Records. Sprint supplies the network and that end, while Virgin
    > supplies the end-user equipment and support.
    >
    > I'm sure it's somewhere in the agreement that Sprint cannot take VM
    > phones to be used on their plans (and vice versa), and I think Virgin
    > would be pretty upset if Sprint did activate one on their plan (they
    > spent the money but won't get the revinue).


    However if the FCC ruled that carriers had to allow compatible phones on
    their system, all this would change; which is why there is the campaign
    on to have the FCC do exactly that.



  9. #9
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs


    "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
    >
    > > "Captain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > question then, why won't sprint do it? if the technology is the same

    and
    > > > you
    > > > don't need to unlock anything, then what the hell is the deal?
    > > >
    > > > Capt.
    > > >

    > >
    > > Virgin Mobile is a joine venture between Sprint PCS and VIrgin
    > > Records. Sprint supplies the network and that end, while Virgin
    > > supplies the end-user equipment and support.
    > >
    > > I'm sure it's somewhere in the agreement that Sprint cannot take VM
    > > phones to be used on their plans (and vice versa), and I think Virgin
    > > would be pretty upset if Sprint did activate one on their plan (they
    > > spent the money but won't get the revinue).

    >
    > However if the FCC ruled that carriers had to allow compatible phones on
    > their system, all this would change; which is why there is the campaign
    > on to have the FCC do exactly that.


    I believe that's a bad thing to do. As previously mentioned, it puts the
    burden on the carriers to support phones they've never sold, or had software
    and hardware designed to access their systems ... all of their systems. What
    about java vs. brew phones? Porting numbers is one thing. Making carriers
    support products they do not sell is another.

    Bob





  10. #10
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs

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    >
    > I believe that's a bad thing to do. As previously mentioned, it puts the
    > burden on the carriers to support phones they've never sold, or had software
    > and hardware designed to access their systems ... all of their systems. What
    > about java vs. brew phones? Porting numbers is one thing. Making carriers
    > support products they do not sell is another.
    >
    > Bob
    >


    I would have to disagree with you here. Sprint PCS would only have to
    support phones it sells. The rest can be told outright that use of
    those phones on their system are without performance warrantee and
    without support. There is significant precedence for this now in the
    broadband arena. Cable Modems all use DOCSIS now and yet the cable
    companies only support modems they have issued. DSL routers (often
    mistermed as modems) now mostly run DMT and can be used with many
    providers, but providers only support modems issued by them (i.e. a
    Cisco 677 will work on QWest DSL, but QWest will refuse to support it).

    So, I believe support is a non-issue.

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  11. #11
    Steven J Sobol
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    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs

    Thomas T. Veldhouse <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I would have to disagree with you here. Sprint PCS would only have to
    > support phones it sells. The rest can be told outright that use of
    > those phones on their system are without performance warrantee and
    > without support.


    This will only piss customers off. Hell, when I worked for an ISP I had
    someone get angry with me because I told him we didn't support the KA9Q
    TCP/IP DOS Packet Communications program. It was already several years old
    and he was using a *beta* version on top of that. I maintain that I told him
    the right thing, the owner of the company and the other tech support people
    agreed with me, but it still irritated him.


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  12. #12
    NobodyMan
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    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs

    On 19 Apr 2004 17:24:48 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >I would have to disagree with you here. Sprint PCS would only have to
    >support phones it sells. The rest can be told outright that use of
    >those phones on their system are without performance warrantee and
    >without support.


    This has a comparison in the OS world. OEM versions of software are
    sold, but they are sold with the understanding that the company that
    produced the software doesn't provide support - the end user has to
    contact the company that sold them the OEM software.

    Of course, everybody gets mad at the company that actually wrote the
    software, and not the OEM.






  13. #13
    O/Siris
    Guest

    Re: virgin phones & sprint pcs

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    > Bob Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
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    > > burden on the carriers to support phones they've never sold, or had sof=

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    > > and hardware designed to access their systems ... all of their systems.=

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    > > support products they do not sell is another.
    > >=20
    > > Bob
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    >=20
    > I would have to disagree with you here. Sprint PCS would only have to
    > support phones it sells. The rest can be told outright that use of
    > those phones on their system are without performance warrantee and
    > without support. There is significant precedence for this now in the
    > broadband arena. Cable Modems all use DOCSIS now and yet the cable
    > companies only support modems they have issued. DSL routers (often
    > mistermed as modems) now mostly run DMT and can be used with many
    > providers, but providers only support modems issued by them (i.e. a
    > Cisco 677 will work on QWest DSL, but QWest will refuse to support it).
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    things, too, of course.

    The point is that there's more of a two-way here than with Cable or=20
    DSL. Or POTS, for that matter.

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    O/Siris
    I work for Sprint PCS
    I *don't* speak for them



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