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- 05-24-2004, 02:45 PM #151Greg ComeauGuest
Re: Motorola V60V Now available from Telesales
In article <[email protected]>,
Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
>....
><http://www.ibm.com/industries/financ...3GNetworks.pdf>
>
> Examples of bit rates and costs of data transmission for 2G, 2.5G
>and
> 3G networks
>
> Bit Rates 2G 2.5G 3G
>
> CDMA Family 19.2 kbps 40-60 kbps 300-600 kbps and up
> (1xRTT)
> GSM Family 9.6-14.4 kbps 20-30 kbps per 144 kbps (high
>mobility)
> GPRS channel to 2Mbps (stationary)
> Cost of $ 0.80 and up $ 0.20 and up $ 0.02 and up
> transmission
> per Mbps
I'm unclear on the intent of this. Is this trying to say
that on average those costs are what it costs the provider
to provide said transmissions? Or is this some sort rates
that IBM charges?
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- 05-24-2004, 02:59 PM #152Røbert MGuest
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In article <[email protected]>,
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Well then you've lost respect for the majority of Americans who still
> >> support the Iraq war.
> >
> > Duh, the last CNN/Time magazine poll said:
> >
> > "And 56 percent of those polled say the war is not worth U.S. lives and
> > other costs."
>
If it makes you feel better, a differently worded MSNBC/Newsweek news
poll gave Bush even worse results.
And Bushes last attempt at selling Iraq policy (basically going with
what Kerry has suggested for almost a year) wont even be carried by the
Networks tonight.
- 05-24-2004, 04:36 PM #153RonGuest
Re: Motorola V60V Now available from Telesales
John
Wrong re: NK.
China is no longer a NK supporter, yes they have a relationship but
China is no longer lavishing them aid and supplies. China is more
interested in trade with the west. Communism as a philosophy in China
is dead, what you have is centralized power with the Mao. I spent a
lot of time in Asia over the last few years. Having been in Beijing
(got great pictures on the way to China UniComm at Tiananmen Square
sp?) I can tell you this is not Nixon's China
What bush has done in NK set us back years. We had a deal, they
stayed isolated and we gave them food and oil (and get 50K troops on
SK just case). Bush started the saber rattling (axis of evil) cut off
their aid... surprise NK started with nukes again. No did bush want
this? Maybe he wanted the missile defense shield and we had no enemy
to build it for... till he provided NK.
Now 3 years later we are back to NK offering to give up nukes if we
give it back its aid. Full circle and I bet bush promoted this as a
victory
my issues in general is that bush is very dangerous to the safety of
our country
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > "Saddam" had to go? Fine, but what do we do about the dozens of other
> > countries with equally despotic rulers? Does the words "NORTH KOREA"
> > ring a bell? Why does the Civil War in Sudan with MILLIONS killed
> > continue?
>
> We're doing all that can be done to contain the North Korea situation.
> If we tried to interfere more, we'd incur the wrath of China, as well as
> provoke the madman dictator of NK to use his nukes.
> Sudan is a different situation. If other African nations feel that it's
> destabilizing the region, they should send a joint peace keeping mission.
> Let's face it, they're not in a strategically important region of the world,
> so no need for the US to get directly involved.
- 05-24-2004, 04:38 PM #154RonGuest
Re: Motorola V60V Now available from Telesales
John
wrong France, Germany and other Nato countries offered huge help but
Bush had to give up the 100% of all contracts (no bid to boot) go to
the USA. Basically we are paying 100% of the bill and he directs the
pork. Great deal unless you are a US taxpayer or serviceman
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Bush *has* tried to get more international help, but so far there
> have been few takers. In fact, Spain and Italy have recently pulled out
> because of the continuing suicide bomber attacks.
> As far as him giving some of the reconstruction contracts to friends,
> all politicians do this.
>
> --
>
> John Richards
>
>
> "Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > John
> >
> > Really? How about allowing an International Coalition to help Iraq
> > rebuild? Does that give the effort more legitimacy? Any beef with
> > letting our allies send in more troops and take share the losses?
> >
> > Bush coghed at the condition that he could not continue to award all
> > the non-bid contracts to his pals.
> >
> > I was really amused with SAIC getting the non bid contract to train
> > jouranlists. I've met with them thier DC office years ago. They are
> > the ultimate insiders. What qualfies an information security firm to
> > get huge $$ to run a newspapers? Same thing that qualified WordCom the
> > no bid contract to rebuild 100% of Iraqs cell phone infra-structure.
> > B+FYI WorldCom re-sold Altell service, they know marketing but have
> > never operated or laid a single foot of fiber. Oh yes, what makes
> > these unqualified company qualified....? Politcal contributions. You
> > want this guy running the war? I wouldn't let him clean my pool
> >
> > "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> >> "Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> > BTW I support our troops 120% and believe we MUST succeed. I don't
> >> > believe Bush understands how to succeed. He fires or ignores anyone
> >> > who tells him the "emperor has no cloths" then claims bad intelligence
> >> > when he finds out he is naked.
> >>
> >> Monday morning quarterbacking is real easy to do but not very
> >> helpful. I haven't seen any of the Bush critics come up with a
> >> better plan on how to run the war in Iraq.
- 05-24-2004, 04:45 PM #155RonGuest
Re: Motorola V60V Now available from Telesales
John
Wrong again, big difference between defense spending and military
budget (you ought to know that)
Example, the GOP howled over Clinton's gutting of the military bill
with the line item veto. Typical bull "he is weak on defense, etc…".
The criteria for the cuts was simple.
1) Anything the Joint chiefs, pentagon, etc.. asked for that was in
the bill they got
2) Any other items tacked on by member of congress that did no have a
sponsors name on the line item, and no sponsor would come forward to
explain what the port was for got cut.
That is not weak on defense that is strong on no pork hiding in a
defense bill. In contrast the GOP has ignored the requests of the
pentagon for defense items and instead spent billions on obsolete
systems like the fleet of 1950's b-52 Newt pushed though in the 90's.
The DNC did silly thing like JDAM missiles, Drone planes, land
warrior, etc…. you know the weapons that helped us win the initial
assault in Iraq.
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<7bpsc.3257$V%[email protected]>...
> "Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> > We need to support our troops. We do not need to support the people
> > that sent them, especially if they are incompetents
> >
> > BTW Really supporting our troops is something that the people that
> > sent them there are NOT doing. While we had men on the ground the GOP
> > (fact, not a political statement go look it up) almost cut military
> > pay to make the tax cut number line up. A protest signed by all the
> > DNC and some GOP members, got that pay cut killed. When the latest
> > body armor was available (after 2000) Bush did not sent it to our
> > troops. We still have families sending protective gear to their kids.
> > That is a disgrace.
>
> Fact is that the Democrats have continually cut funds for the Defense
> Department, and are even now balking at supplying the funds to
> continue operations in Iraq. If you were to take a survey of our troops,
> asking them who supports them better, they'd say the Democrats for
> military pay and the Republicans for everything else.
- 05-24-2004, 04:48 PM #156RonGuest
Re: Motorola V60V Now available from Telesales
John
partially correct, our soldeir did the dying and continuie to do the
dying. Bush today is going to the UN to approve hand over plans. Our
guys are getting shot at today not over control of the future of Iraq
democracy it is for control Bush's pork barrel spending.
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I've worked for the Defense Department for 30 years, and am a
> Vietnam veteran, so I feel that gives me some insight into these
> matters.
> The reason Bush did not accept international aid offers before was
> because those offers were contingent upon the US relinquishing
> much of the right to determine the future of Iraq. *Our* soldiers
> did the dying when they liberated Iraq, so *we* should have the
> major voice in determining Iraq's reconstruction.
>
> --
>
> John Richards
>
>
> "Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > John
> >
> > You are partially right but there are real generals and top national
> > security brass that have told him he wrong too. Being an ex-defense
> > contractor I am truely scared to see the exodus (of long term)
> > national security staff bale becuase of this administration.
> >
> > We had an offer of help in post-war Iraq and Bush turned it down. We
> > would get international troops and money but he would have to give up
> > the no-bid contracts to his pals. Giving up the pork was a deal
> > killer. We are holding the bag alone because of his arrogance and
> > greed. Do you think we would be better off / safer / have less Arabs
> > pissed at us / not be seen as occupiers.. if the UN in Iraq or do you
> > think it is better we take all the losses / all the heat / pay all the
> > bill to continue to give gov't contract to freinds of George?
> >
> > We ended up in Iraw alone because Bush made a point of pissing off the
> > world (pre-9/11) from the minute he stepping into the white house. He
> > put us on an isolationist track circo pre-WWII. Bush told the UN it
> > was obsolete, and non-functional, but then when he needed UN support
> > in Iraq we found ourselves alone. People tend not to want to help
> > after you tell them F*ck you.
> >
> >
> >
> > "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> >> "Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> > Eric <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> [email protected] (Robert?M) wrote:
> >> >>> The soon to be Lame Duck Bush
> >> >>> administration.
> >> >>
> >> >> Can I take this that you do not like George W. Bush? I personally
> >> >> cannot wait until election, but am still undecided as to who to vote
> >> >> for.
> >> >
> >> > You mean the murderer? The guy who insists on killing our soldiers for
> >> > no good reason?
> >>
> >> Huh? The only ones killing our soldiers are the Muslim fanatics who
> >> would like nothing better than to return their country back to the feudal
> >> Stone Age, where women are equivalent to cattle. I doubt that the
> >> majority of Iraqis feel that way.
- 05-24-2004, 04:51 PM #157RonGuest
Re: Motorola V60V Now available from Telesales
Some carriers are giving around 100K not sure if Sprint is one of
them. The issue is they can if they want to. I would call 100mbit
Ethernet a theoretical limit since you are never going to see it
except under a non-real world scenario. You can get 100K+ from 2.5G
but a carrier might throttle you back. Different things
Røbert M <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Ron) wrote:
>
> > Robert
> >
> > I didn't post that rate.
> > You can get 100K+ in 1X but typically you don't. It is a bandwidth
> > issue.
>
> And Sobol posted 120K, so I conclude I was right. It's a theoretical
> limit used only for advertising purposes that wont be seen in the Real
> World.
>
> > The faster you are allowed to send the more bandwidth you use. They
> > are not getting high speed by a new comression alg, it takes data,
> > data and more data over the air. I am wondering where the freq for
> > 500K is going to come from.
> >
> > Røbert M <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > [email protected] (Ron) wrote:
> > >
> > > > 40-60 kbps
> > > > (1xRTT)
> > >
> > >
> > > Why is this half the rate others are touting?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:<[email protected]>
> > >
> > > > Specifically, Vision is 1xRTT, which allows
> > > > for speeds of up to about 120K.
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > Or is 120K a theoretical number for advertising purposes only.
- 05-24-2004, 04:54 PM #158RonGuest
Re: Motorola V60V Now available from Telesales
For starters it would require troops like WWII or Korea again and also
NK can pound the crap out of SK with artillery.
By comparison Iraq is a cake walk and all the damage (other than our
credibility) is contained to Iraq. If Iraq would have taken a year to
win the major battle and Iraq could have pound the heck out of Saudi
Arabia during the fighting we would never have gone in
Røbert M <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Ron) wrote:
>
> > The reason we do nothing about N Korea is everyone knows that will be
> > a huge battle with a huge commitment in time, money and casualties.
>
> And thats different from Iraq, how?
- 05-24-2004, 04:56 PM #159Steven J SobolGuest
Re: Motorola V60V Now available from Telesales
John Richards <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> much of the right to determine the future of Iraq
>>
>> I'm sorry, I didn't realize the US had that right in the first place.
>
> We earned that right by liberating Iraq. Same reason we ran the
> Marshall Plan after WW2.
We entered Ww2 for a vastly different reason than the reason we entered
Iraq. We had no good reason to enter Iraq.
>> Being a DoD employee, I don't rightfully
>> expect you to understand my perspective, since the war is probably partially
>> responsible for paying your paycheck.
>
> No more paycheck, I've been retired for several years.
> So, working for DoD is now a disreputable occupation? Do you really think
> I'm some mindless minion who can't think for himself?
Nope, and nope.
> Well then you've lost respect for the majority of Americans who still
> support the Iraq war.
So be it. The majority of Americans only support the war because the media
presents stories that push them in that direction. (Until recently, that is.)
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- 05-24-2004, 04:58 PM #160RonGuest
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John
You are kidding right? Bigger than Stalin? Hitler? Pol Pot?
Sudan,..... How many did Stalin kill? What is the total population of
Iraq?
BTW Who support Saddam during the bloody Iran - Iraq wars? Which Bush
gave Saddam the nod to invade Kuwait (and got caught lying about it on
tape)?
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > John Richards <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Huh? The only ones killing our soldiers are the Muslim fanatics who
> >> would like nothing better than to return their country back to the feudal
> >> Stone Age, where women are equivalent to cattle. I doubt that the
> >> majority of Iraqis feel that way.
> >
> > We're fighting a losing battle, we've been fighting a losing battle, and
> > Rumsfeld and Bush refuse to pull out anyhow. We never should have been there
> > in the first place, and they both know it. Of course they aren't going and
> > killing soldiers *themselves.* But what they're doing is no better.
>
> While the reasons for going into Iraq in the first place are a bit murky,
> the fact is that we're there now, and if we pulled out unilaterally, it
> would result in the biggest bloodbath the world has ever seen.
- 05-24-2004, 04:59 PM #161RonGuest
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Yes now getting re-elected donesn't look so easy his pals need to give
up the pork.... till after november
Røbert M <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The reason Bush did not accept international aid offers before was
> > because those offers were contingent upon the US relinquishing
> > much of the right to determine the future of Iraq.
>
> Have you watched the news today. The resolution Bush introduced into the
> UN today does EXACTLY THAT.
- 05-24-2004, 05:00 PM #162Steven J SobolGuest
Re: Motorola V60V Now available from Telesales
John Richards <[email protected]> wrote:
> As I have pointed out before (don't you read?) Steven Sobol seems to
> represent that position, as does a sizable minority in this country. That
> position definitely exists, but I agree that it probably won't come to >
> fruition.
I said "get the hell out." I didn't suggest doing so in a haphazard way.
I don't believe Bush supports getting out at all.
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- 05-24-2004, 05:01 PM #163RonGuest
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John
Yes we can't let Iraq self destruct and we should not re-elect the guy
that made it such a mess to start with.
Doesn't matter if he gets around to fixing it, bush holds the bag for
really screwing it up.
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > John Richards <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Monday morning quarterbacking is real easy to do but not very
> >>>> helpful. I haven't seen any of the Bush critics come up with a
> >>>> better plan on how to run the war in Iraq.
> >>>
> >>> Duh, the answer is not to have gone there in the first place.
> >>
> >> That's not very helpful at this point.
> >
> > Ok. Here's a plan of action: Get the hell out of Iraq and cut our losses.
> >
> >> Fact is, the majority of
> >> Democrats agree that we can't just pull out of Iraq and let the
> >> country self-destruct. Iran and Turkey would help themselves to the
> >> best parts of Iraq, with the rest going back to the Stone Age.
> >> You think gas prices are high now...
> >
> > **** gas prices.
> >
> > Dude, I live in Southern California, with some of the highest gas prices
> > in the country. People get so irritated about gas prices... hey, we're
> > STILL not as high as Europe is, and we've never been.
> >
> > But a lot of people don't realize that, and get annoyed because gas is
> > "expensive" here. And if you're one of those people that would rather get
> > people killed than pay more for gas - if your own wallet is more important
> > to you than other people's lives - then I am going to stop talking, because
> > you're already way beyond help.
> >
> > Oil, of course, is what drove the 1991 Gulf War, and it seems to be what is
> > driving Operation Mutilate American Soldiers.
> >
> > I support the soldiers 1000%. I have family in the military as well as some
> > ex-military family members. I just don't support the Pentagon or the President.
> >
> > Come back when you've fixed your priorities, please.
>
> I see you fixated on my throwaway gas price remark and totally ignored
> the rest of my argument. Letting Iraq self-destruct will cause far worse
> world stability problems than what we have now.
- 05-24-2004, 05:02 PM #164RonGuest
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China is more interested in ties with the west than Nk
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (Ron) wrote:
> >
> >> The reason we do nothing about N Korea is everyone knows that will be
> >> a huge battle with a huge commitment in time, money and casualties.
> >
> > And thats different from Iraq, how?
>
> 1) NK has a huge conventional army
> 2) NK has nukes
> 3) NK has China as an ally
- 05-24-2004, 05:04 PM #165RonGuest
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When bush back pedals and does 180 it is flexibility if Kerry varies
10% he flip-flops. Eye of the beholder I guess
BTW what it proves is bush finally realizes he has lost control of the
situation and is asking the UN for help. Why pray tell did he have to
wait till it was completely out of control to do the right thing?
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> The reason Bush did not accept international aid offers before was
> >> because those offers were contingent upon the US relinquishing
> >> much of the right to determine the future of Iraq.
> >
> > Have you watched the news today. The resolution Bush introduced into the
> > UN today does EXACTLY THAT.
>
> If nothing else, it proves that Bush is flexible. If at first you can't get
> things to go 90% your way, then you settle for something that gives
> you, say, 60% of what you want. It's called negotiating.
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