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  1. #1
    Robert M
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    I need someone to explain this to me. AT&T inked a 5 year deal with
    Sprint PCS to use the Sprint Wireless PCS network for new service it
    will be starting up soon. Sort of like Virgin Mobile does. Could be a
    win-win deal.


    Then I read this is a "nonexclusive deal" and AT&T is also negotiating
    with Nextel and T-Mobile. I'm not aware of any phones that could do
    CDMA, GSM and IDEN. The only phone planned that does CDMA and GSM is
    designed to roam in Europe on their GSM frequencies, not stateside.

    So what might AT&T have up it's sleeve?



    See More: The new AT&T Wireless




  2. #2
    Bob Smith
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    Re: The new AT&T Wireless


    "Robert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I need someone to explain this to me. AT&T inked a 5 year deal with
    > Sprint PCS to use the Sprint Wireless PCS network for new service it
    > will be starting up soon. Sort of like Virgin Mobile does. Could be a
    > win-win deal.
    >
    >
    > Then I read this is a "nonexclusive deal" and AT&T is also negotiating
    > with Nextel and T-Mobile. I'm not aware of any phones that could do
    > CDMA, GSM and IDEN. The only phone planned that does CDMA and GSM is
    > designed to roam in Europe on their GSM frequencies, not stateside.
    >
    > So what might AT&T have up it's sleeve?


    I don't believe the 800, 900, 1800 or 1900 freqs will matter with ATT's deal
    here. It sounds like it's all going to be VoIP, to where all they need to do
    is have handsets built to interact with SPCS's Vision and the other
    provider's wireless internet interface. http://att.com/voip/

    Bob





  3. #3
    Frank Harris
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    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

    Here's what I think will be entertaining to watch: how ATT's marketing
    people will relabel the Sprint coverage areas and technologies, and how
    they'll spin CDMA into being the 'next big thing', after saying they've
    had something better for years.

    Until very recently, when ATTWS began to use the phrase "GSM" in
    advertising, their literature has always avoided specific terms and
    instead used marketing generalities, or referred you to your own plan's
    fine print. GSM was always "Next Generation". TDMA was "Digital."
    GAIT was "multi-band." Coverage maps had as many as 7 different colors,
    described in opaque terms such as "local service area" "additional
    service area", "additional roaming area", "expanded calling local
    service area", "expanded calling roaming area", and "expanded calling
    home service area" (I'm copying these right off of their brochure!).

    --
    Frank Harris in San Francisco with an A620



  4. #4
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

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    In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Frank Harris <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > Until very recently, when ATTWS began to use the phrase "GSM" in
    > advertising, their literature has always avoided specific terms and
    > instead used marketing generalities, or referred you to your own plan's
    > fine print. GSM was always "Next Generation". TDMA was "Digital."
    > GAIT was "multi-band." Coverage maps had as many as 7 different colors,
    > described in opaque terms such as "local service area" "additional
    > service area", "additional roaming area", "expanded calling local
    > service area", "expanded calling roaming area", and "expanded calling
    > home service area" (I'm copying these right off of their brochure!).
    >


    The only thing AT&T Wireless markets now is how many "bars" they have.
    Funny thing is that I think that advertising approach may work in
    markets where they indeed to have good coverage. It will certainly get
    people in the door.

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  5. #5
    Mike
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    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

    Bob Smith wrote:
    > "Robert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    >>I need someone to explain this to me. AT&T inked a 5 year deal with
    >>Sprint PCS to use the Sprint Wireless PCS network for new service it
    >>will be starting up soon. Sort of like Virgin Mobile does. Could be a
    >>win-win deal.
    >>
    >>
    >>Then I read this is a "nonexclusive deal" and AT&T is also negotiating
    >>with Nextel and T-Mobile. I'm not aware of any phones that could do
    >>CDMA, GSM and IDEN. The only phone planned that does CDMA and GSM is
    >>designed to roam in Europe on their GSM frequencies, not stateside.
    >>
    >>So what might AT&T have up it's sleeve?

    >
    >
    > I don't believe the 800, 900, 1800 or 1900 freqs will matter with ATT's deal
    > here. It sounds like it's all going to be VoIP, to where all they need to do
    > is have handsets built to interact with SPCS's Vision and the other
    > provider's wireless internet interface. http://att.com/voip/
    >
    > Bob
    >
    >


    Does Nextel have the network to support VoIP? WiDEN should support it,
    but that would be a valuable deal where? Charlotte, NC? Nextel has to
    have some big plans for network upgrades...
    Besides, wouldn't a VoIP phone using a CDMA or GSM provider's internet
    interface still need to support the underlying standard, at least to a
    degree? I don't think that you can do Vision without doing CDMA. CDMA
    isn't voice. CDMA is a data transmission method used by phones to handle
    digital data that happens to be, usually, voice. I know that you can't
    do it without supporting the underlying frequencies. 900/1800 don't
    matter in the US, so we're probably talking 800/1900. Either way, the
    frequencies will matter.
    -mike



  6. #6
    Lawrence Glasser
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    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
    >
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    > In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Frank Harris <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > Until very recently, when ATTWS began to use the phrase "GSM" in
    > > advertising, their literature has always avoided specific terms and
    > > instead used marketing generalities, or referred you to your own plan's
    > > fine print. GSM was always "Next Generation". TDMA was "Digital."
    > > GAIT was "multi-band." Coverage maps had as many as 7 different colors,
    > > described in opaque terms such as "local service area" "additional
    > > service area", "additional roaming area", "expanded calling local
    > > service area", "expanded calling roaming area", and "expanded calling
    > > home service area" (I'm copying these right off of their brochure!).
    > >

    >
    > The only thing AT&T Wireless markets now is how many "bars" they have.
    > Funny thing is that I think that advertising approach may work in
    > markets where they indeed to have good coverage. It will certainly get
    > people in the door.


    I'd imagine, for the lay-person, "bars" mean everything when it comes
    to looking for a good phone/carrier.

    Larry



  7. #7
    Jerome Zelinske
    Guest

    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

    gsm and tdma are both digital. gsm and tdma are both the same
    generation, second.

    Frank Harris wrote:

    > Here's what I think will be entertaining to watch: how ATT's marketing
    > people will relabel the Sprint coverage areas and technologies, and how
    > they'll spin CDMA into being the 'next big thing', after saying they've
    > had something better for years.
    >
    > Until very recently, when ATTWS began to use the phrase "GSM" in
    > advertising, their literature has always avoided specific terms and
    > instead used marketing generalities, or referred you to your own plan's
    > fine print. GSM was always "Next Generation". TDMA was "Digital." GAIT
    > was "multi-band." Coverage maps had as many as 7 different colors,
    > described in opaque terms such as "local service area" "additional
    > service area", "additional roaming area", "expanded calling local
    > service area", "expanded calling roaming area", and "expanded calling
    > home service area" (I'm copying these right off of their brochure!).
    >




  8. #8
    Robert M
    Guest

    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Jerome Zelinske <[email protected]> wrote:

    > gsm and tdma are both digital. gsm and tdma are both the same
    > generation, second.


    Last I saw AT&WS called TDMA "Digital", and GSM "New Technology".



  9. #9
    Robert M
    Guest

    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Lawrence Glasser <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I'd imagine, for the lay-person, "bars" mean everything when it comes
    > to looking for a good phone/carrier.


    Kinda like MHz on a home computer.



  10. #10
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

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    Phillip <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Jerome Zelinske <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> gsm and tdma are both digital. gsm and tdma are both the same
    >> generation, second.

    >
    > Last I saw AT&WS called TDMA "Digital", and GSM "New Technology".


    GSM is still generation 2 (coined 2G) technology. GRPS was an attempt
    to get the 2G technology to near 3G speeds, so it is sometimes referred
    to as 2.5G. Edge is supposedly a true 3G technology. I believe that
    CDMA2000, which Sprint PCS and Verizon Wireless use, is also considered
    a 2.5G technology for the same reasons.

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  11. #11
    Steven J Sobol
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    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

    Robert M <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Jerome Zelinske <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> gsm and tdma are both digital. gsm and tdma are both the same
    >> generation, second.

    >
    > Last I saw AT&WS called TDMA "Digital", and GSM "New Technology".


    Which is utter bull****, because GSM has been around just about as long as
    TDMA has. What, do you think all those European GSM networks were lit up
    only in the past year or so?

    Aerial/Omnipoint and Powertel were doing GSM in the US in the mid-90's.
    As was BellSouth, as was SBC Pacific Bell; the Cingular areas that were
    originally GSM were the former BellSouth DCS and PacBell/NevadaBell Mobility
    areas. (BellSouth Mobility was TDMA, as were the wireless divisions of the
    other companies SBC bought, as were SBC's CellularONE properties.)

    Besides, when did you start trusting ATTWS? I thought they screwed you
    over.

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  12. #12
    Nebby
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    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

    [email protected]

    is busy changing the subject so no one will notice he didnt know the difference
    between AT&T and AT&T Wireless.



  13. #13
    Nebby
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    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

    [email protected] says:

    >> Last I saw AT&WS called TDMA "Digital", and
    >> GSM "New Technology".


    > Which is utter bull****,


    That language is uncalled for and inappropriate and does not bolster your
    argument. The fact remains that is how AT&T Wireless labels those technologies.



  14. #14
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

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    Phillip <[email protected]> wrote:
    > [email protected] says:
    >
    >>> Last I saw AT&WS called TDMA "Digital", and
    >>> GSM "New Technology".

    >
    >> Which is utter bull****,

    >
    > That language is uncalled for and inappropriate and does not bolster your
    > argument. The fact remains that is how AT&T Wireless labels those technologies.


    Yes, they do label it that way, as GSM is based upon a form of TDMA and
    is a newer technology. However, they are both 2G technologies, which
    was the point [that you so conveniently clipped].

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  15. #15
    Steven J Sobol
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    Re: The new AT&T Wireless

    Nebby <[email protected]> wrote:
    > [email protected] says:
    >
    >>> Last I saw AT&WS called TDMA "Digital", and
    >>> GSM "New Technology".

    >
    >> Which is utter bull****,

    >
    > That language is uncalled for and inappropriate and does not bolster your
    > argument. The fact remains that is how AT&T Wireless labels those technologies.


    OK, I didn't need to use the word. You're right.

    Would you prefer that I use the phrase "totally absurd"?

    GSM isn't new, and using the phrase you dislike doesn't validate *or*
    invalidate the argument.

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