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Phillip <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <mailman@www.veldy.net> wrote:
>
> more drivel trying to make personal attacks on anyone he disagrees with.
>
> Such immaturity.

Good try ... see what that email gets you. Care to join a jokes list?
http://www.veldy.net/mailman/listinfo/jokes It is in the header of
every one of my posts to this group. You are a real piee of s ... uhm
work. I bet it took some real detective work looking through the
headers ... I told you you weren't technically proficient.


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In article <[email protected]>,
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:


>
> Good try ... see what that email gets you.


Is that better?

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Phillip <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Good try ... see what that email gets you.
>
>
> Is that better?

Perfect.

Does anybody have any doubts about this bafoon?

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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Does anybody have any doubts about this bafoon?


Is that supposed to be an insult? Typical of a Sprint PCS apologist,
when proven wrong, INSULT.

Nebby <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [email protected] said:
>> I think it's stupid. Not everyone is a casual user.
>> I'd wager that for most of the people who post
>> here on a regular basis, F&F does NOT make
>> sense, for example.
>
> The plan fits very few. Someone who normally uses 250 to 300 minutes a month
> Anytime minutes, but **KNOWS** that once or twice a year (visiting relatives
> or kids at college) they'd go way over.

It's very painfully obvious that it's meant to compete with Cingular Rollover
minutes. Rollover only makes sense for certain customers, too.

> I think promoting 7 PM Nights makes more sense for SprintPCS, but maybe they
> just want to be a wireless wholesale company.

If they were smart they'd promote *both* heavily.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse <[email protected]> wrote:

> So Phillip, what makes you thin the plan fits very few? You are one
> person with a huge chip on your shoulder and clouded judgement. Don't
> you think Sprint PCS researched this? Only time will tell if it is
> successful, but if it is not, it won't be because you said anything
> intelligent about it.

I don't think it will make sense for only ten or twenty customers*, but it
won't make sense for an awful large percentage of their customers.

*closer to the absolute number suggested by "very few"

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"Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Does anybody have any doubts about this bafoon?
>
>
> Is that supposed to be an insult? Typical of a Sprint PCS apologist,
> when proven wrong, INSULT.

He hasn't been proven wrong. Only you have. Along with:

1) Your preference for lying ...
2) Your misquoting of other posters' messages.
3) Your attempt to impersonate other posters here.
4) Your unmunging of email addresses so spambots can harvest them.
5) Your attempt to answer prior posts made in one ID with different IDs
6) Your attempt to moderate this group on what can or can't be said.
7) Your failure to answer simple questions asked to clarify your position
here, when the truth comes out.
8) Your manufacturing of false facts.
9) Last, but certainly not least, using AT LEAST 102 different IDs here to
avoid kill filters of others.

Bob::noticing this list gets larger, each time I posted it::

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Phillip <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Does anybody have any doubts about this bafoon?
>
>
> Is that supposed to be an insult? Typical of a Sprint PCS apologist,
> when proven wrong, INSULT.

It is an insult. It is an insult because you are doing your very best
to expose valid email addresses here. And you are doing it with
malignant intent. So yes, you are a bafoon, but more importantly, you
ARE an asshole ... I do not apologize for using that word, you can chalk
it onto your "list". It is the most apt description of you that I can
think of.

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Nebby <[email protected]> wrote:

> to like $65 to break even, but the incremental income from $30 customers adds
> up if your support costs can be kept low by CSRs getting it right the first
> time.

True. And there's no question that Sprint's CS has, in the past, been
absolutely horrid. They're doing better now. You will still have a certain
percentage of completely clueless people calling in, however, and they WILL
increase your support costs no matter what you do to minimize them.

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R?bert M <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <mailman@www.veldy.net> wrote:
>
> more drivel trying to make personal attacks on anyone he disagrees with.

I saw not one single personal attack. "That wasn't his point" wasn't a slam
on you.


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"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thomas T. Veldhouse <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > So Phillip, what makes you thin the plan fits very few? You are one
> > person with a huge chip on your shoulder and clouded judgement. Don't
> > you think Sprint PCS researched this? Only time will tell if it is
> > successful, but if it is not, it won't be because you said anything
> > intelligent about it.
>
> I don't think it will make sense for only ten or twenty customers*, but it
> won't make sense for an awful large percentage of their customers.
>
> *closer to the absolute number suggested by "very few"

Well, there is another market that SPCS is going after, and it may be the
pre-pay users, if they pass the credit check. I don't know what the average
monthly minute usage for pre-pay customers are, but I'm guessing that once
they get use to using the phone, they will be using more minutes and have a
higher monthly cellular expense than $35/mo.

When you look at Virgin Mobile's expense, it's $0.25/min. for the first 10
minutes each day, and then $0.10/min there after. They don't offer free N &
W minutes. So even it they only speak 20 minutes a day, and that's not much
.... it's costing $3.50/day, $35 in 10 days, and using only 200 minutes. Add
the rest of the days in a month, and it could get pretty pricy.

At least with this F & F plan, any minutes used during the night won't
charge against their AT minutes and save money.

Bob

(Thomas=A0T.=A0Veldhouse) wrote:
<<It is simple. They think they will make money. So, marketting is going
to market it. It is Sprint's plan to push. It is their own foot to shoot
and it is their own wallet to fill. As a stock holder, you have a say,
as a customer you have a say, but as a newsgroup poster you do not. >>

As a newsgroup poster and a customer, I do have an opinion and a vested
interest in Sprint PCS. I hope that they realize soon that by pushing
F&F over F&C that they will be shooting themselves in the foot. F&F is
good for some people, and especially for existing customers who have
offbeat calling patterns... but F&C should still be heavily marketed for
new customers since F&C is the one with the competitive pricing.

Eric

(Steven=A0J=A0Sobol) wrote:
<<Well, none of the carriers want people that spend $30 per month. I'm
sure Sprint would be very pleased that I'm going to add a line and
finally get my final bill (including taxes) up over $40-45 in the next
month or so. Once you factor in billing, customer support, etc., those
people who are on the lower-priced plans are making the carriers very
little money. >>

I just think that Sprint should not be so heavily promoting the F&F
plans over the F&C plans. To a new customer, I think $50 for 700
minutes (on F&C) looks more attractive than $75 for 700 minutes (on
F&F).

People seem to think that I am completely against Sprint making new
service plans and such... I fully support F&F pricing as it will help
some people. But on the same token, the high prices of plans that have
550 minutes or more that F&F has can really turn off potential customers
if they are not made aware of other fixed rate plans. With nationwide
WLNP around the bend, Sprint needs to look flexible, sure, but they also
need to look *competitive*.

Eric

(Bob=A0Smith) wrote:
<<Well, there is another market that SPCS is going after, and it may be
the pre-pay users, if they pass the credit check. I don't know what the
average monthly minute usage for pre-pay customers are, but I'm guessing
that once they get use to using the phone, they will be using more
minutes and have a higher monthly cellular expense than $35/mo. >>

I did actually think of that, Bob. The pricing structure for F&F is
kind of close to other prepaid plans -- specifically AT&T's GoPhone and
U.S. Cellular's TrackerPack. They are the prepaid options that you pay
by the month instead of buying airtime cards and they give you a set
number of minutes plus free weekends, etc. The plans rate better than
traditional prepay, but still more expensive than traditional postpay.

I just believe that it will harm Sprint in the future by pushing F&F
over F&C instead of giving each equal promotion. The person in the
store (that I referred to in my original post in this thread) was turned
off by the pricing of F&F, but the rep made no attempt to tell him about
F&C... which could have netted Sprint a new customer. If this becomes
widespread (and O/Siris did say that Sprint's plan is to push F&F as
Consumer Plans and F&C as "business" plans)... this could be a real
problem for Sprint when it comes to signing new customers.

Eric

In article <[email protected]>,
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:

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> >> Does anybody have any doubts about this bafoon?
> >
> >
> > Is that supposed to be an insult? Typical of a Sprint PCS apologist,
> > when proven wrong, INSULT.
>
> It is an insult.

Bingo, Thats typical of the disgrace to usenet.

Dont want to discuss SprintPCS billing plan, which even
osiris doesnt like, you insult folks instead.

You richly deserve the title of
disgrace to USENET