New Plans: Fair & Flexible

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[email protected] wrote:
>>Who? I have not noticed this.
>
> Read O/Siris' post of the 12th.
>

Rob has never claimed that this plan is good for almost anybody.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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On 26 Jul 2004 12:39:48 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>>>Who? I have not noticed this.
>>
>> Read O/Siris' post of the 12th.
>>
>
>Rob has never claimed that this plan is good for almost anybody.

No, he did not use those exact words....however, the tone of his post,
and his actual statement, indicated that users were better off with
F&F, even if that actually cost a bit more than a F&CA plan, since it
did not "waste minutes".


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Deb

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 26 Jul 2004 12:39:48 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >[email protected] wrote:
> >>>Who? I have not noticed this.
> >>
> >> Read O/Siris' post of the 12th.
> >>
> >
> >Rob has never claimed that this plan is good for almost anybody.
>
> No, he did not use those exact words....however, the tone of his post,
> and his actual statement, indicated that users were better off with
> F&F, even if that actually cost a bit more than a F&CA plan, since it
> did not "waste minutes".

He said nothing of the sort, in any tone ...

Bob

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[email protected] wrote:
>
> No, he did not use those exact words....however, the tone of his post,
> and his actual statement, indicated that users were better off with
> F&F, even if that actually cost a bit more than a F&CA plan, since it
> did not "waste minutes".
>

Deb, no offense intended, but you clearly have NOT read enough of his
posts.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:44:05 GMT, "Bob Smith"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> >Rob has never claimed that this plan is good for almost anybody.
>>
>> No, he did not use those exact words....however, the tone of his post,
>> and his actual statement, indicated that users were better off with
>> F&F, even if that actually cost a bit more than a F&CA plan, since it
>> did not "waste minutes".
>
>He said nothing of the sort, in any tone ...

Reread the post, in its entire context.....discussing high usage
customers, a partial quote:

----
Total: 1400 minute plan. $80/month. $400. Cheaper, eh?

But that's $80 every single month, and you're using less than half of
what you're paying for every month. And with F&F you don't have to
worry about those minutes eventually disappearing.

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The tone of the post implies that he recommends F&F over any other
plan that could be cheaper, but would wind up "wasting minutes".


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Deb

On 27 Jul 2004 02:56:40 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> F&F, even if that actually cost a bit more than a F&CA plan, since it
>> did not "waste minutes".
>>
>
>Deb, no offense intended, but you clearly have NOT read enough of his
>posts.

<shrug> I read what I read on the 12th....his post in response to
another poster's contention that the F&F plan was not a viable option
for users over 500 minutes per month. O/Siris disputed the claim,
with the "math" to prove it, and <unless I misread his conclusion>
recommended that the F&F plan was more beneficial to users even though
the other two plans he quoted were actually cheaper but "wasted
minutes".


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Deb

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[email protected] wrote:
>
> Reread the post, in its entire context.....discussing high usage
> customers, a partial quote:
>
> ----
> Total: 1400 minute plan. $80/month. $400. Cheaper, eh?
>
> But that's $80 every single month, and you're using less than half of
> what you're paying for every month. And with F&F you don't have to
> worry about those minutes eventually disappearing.
>
> -----
>
> The tone of the post implies that he recommends F&F over any other
> plan that could be cheaper, but would wind up "wasting minutes".
>
>
> --

What you post as a quote indicates to me the description of a single
customer's usage. Do you disagree?

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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> <shrug> I read what I read on the 12th....his post in response to
> another poster's contention that the F&F plan was not a viable option
> for users over 500 minutes per month. O/Siris disputed the claim,
> with the "math" to prove it, and <unless I misread his conclusion>
> recommended that the F&F plan was more beneficial to users even though
> the other two plans he quoted were actually cheaper but "wasted
> minutes".
>

As it turns out, F&F is not a good plan for anybody who uses their
minutes in a consistant manner [from month to month]. It seems to be a
good plan ONLY for those people that use minutes with a very large
standard deviation over a period of time. Perhaps a plan with teenagers
on them would be a case where F&F would be favorable. However, the
quote you supplied was clearly referring to one customer and not all
customers in general. You "appear" to be a USENET regular by your use
of "<shrug>" and the manner which you conduct yourself, so I have a hard
time believing you are so naive as to believe he was making such a
general comment.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:44:05 GMT, "Bob Smith"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >Rob has never claimed that this plan is good for almost anybody.
> >>
> >> No, he did not use those exact words....however, the tone of his post,
> >> and his actual statement, indicated that users were better off with
> >> F&F, even if that actually cost a bit more than a F&CA plan, since it
> >> did not "waste minutes".
> >
> >He said nothing of the sort, in any tone ...
>
> Reread the post, in its entire context.....discussing high usage
> customers, a partial quote:
>
> ----
> Total: 1400 minute plan. $80/month. $400. Cheaper, eh?
>
> But that's $80 every single month, and you're using less than half of
> what you're paying for every month. And with F&F you don't have to
> worry about those minutes eventually disappearing.
>
> -----
>
> The tone of the post implies that he recommends F&F over any other
> plan that could be cheaper, but would wind up "wasting minutes".

I re-read that post, and what you conveniently left out, is that he was
doing a comparison of SPCS plans to Cingular's rollover plan, and a
comparison of F&F and F&C, not F&CA as you said. In addition, his numbers
and comparisons only work with those conditions and in a five month period,
not for a whole year.

Bob

On 26 Jul 2004 12:39:48 GMT, Thomas T. Veldhouse <[email protected]> wrote:

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> [email protected] wrote:
>>> Who? I have not noticed this.
>>
>> Read O/Siris' post of the 12th.
>>
>
> Rob has never claimed that this plan is good for almost anybody.
>

Thanks, Tom. I hate being miquoted. Thanks for the backup. I said it
was an interesting plan.

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A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in
temper is always a virtue, but moderation in principle is always a vice.
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On 27 Jul 2004 04:18:28 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> --
>
>What you post as a quote indicates to me the description of a single
>customer's usage. Do you disagree?

Yes, I disagree. Taken in context to the entire conversation,
including the post he was responding to, it read to me as a defense
and recommendation for F&F over other plans, even if the plan was
actually cheaper that F&F would replace.

Others apparently interpreted it differently. I merely voiced my own.


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Deb

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:19:58 GMT, "Bob Smith"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>I re-read that post, and what you conveniently left out, is that he was
>doing a comparison of SPCS plans to Cingular's rollover plan, and a
>comparison of F&F and F&C, not F&CA as you said. In addition, his numbers
>and comparisons only work with those conditions and in a five month period,
>not for a whole year.

He compared three plans, and concluded that the F&F plan was "better",
even though it cost more.

Apparently your mileage varied.


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Deb

On 27 Jul 2004 04:21:42 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>customers in general. You "appear" to be a USENET regular by your use
>of "<shrug>" and the manner which you conduct yourself, so I have a hard

I've been a usenet regular since about 1995 (or '96, when did Agent
first come out?)...and a bbs sysop and user for longer than that....

>time believing you are so naive as to believe he was making such a
>general comment.

Again, apparently my interpretation was different than that of others.


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Deb

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[email protected][email protected] says...
> He compared three plans, and concluded that the F&F plan was "better",
> even though it cost more. =20
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No, I did *not*. I said they were comparable.

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O/Siris
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**A thing moderately good is not so good as it=20
ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a=20
virtue, but moderation in principle is always a
vice.**
-Thomas Paine. The Rights of Man. 1792-

>He compared three plans, and concluded that the F&F plan was "better",
>even though it cost more.
>
>Apparently your mileage varied.

as we all know - "BETTER" is a very hard thing to define. Better for me is
different than better for you.

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John S.
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