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  1. #1
    Steve Sobol
    Guest
    SPCS newsgroup added.

    bpuli wrote:
    > but you have to pay 20x12=$240. in the sprint plan you have pay $10 only
    > if and when you exceed your plan limits. so sprint is cheaper if you
    > don't always exceed your plan minutes.


    No.

    #1, I just switched to the newly-launched Fair and Flexible plan, and #2, I'm
    now working for a company that resells Sprint and at orientation last week our
    Sprint rep explained this plan in detail. So I know what I'm talking about.

    BTW, Sprint launched Fair and Flexible a month or two ago, but this appears to
    be a relaunch - the plans aren't exactly the same. Here's how the new F&F works.

    They have two tiers. One starts at, IIRC, $35 for 300 minutes. The other one
    starts at $50 for 700 minutes. On the lower plan, if you go over, your minute
    allotment is bumped up. You get additional minutes for $10/100 minutes or ten
    cents per minute. On the higher plan, it's $5/100 or 5 cents per minute.

    I forget how many minutes you can get this way on the lower tier, but on the
    higher tier you can go up to 2000 minutes and then they simply bill you
    5c/minute for overages.

    I just switched from the $50/700 Free & Clear plan to $50/700 Free & Flexible.
    On the F&C plan I'd pay 40 cents per minute if I go over, period. On this plan
    I only pay 5 cents per minute. Yes, if I use two minutes I get bumped up 100
    and get charged $5. On the other hand, on F&C I would get charged at least $5
    extra anyhow, if I went over by 13 minutes or more.

    I think the new F&F plans are better than the ones they originally introduced
    (were they introduced nationwide? I don't know - haven't travelled outside
    SoCal in the past couple months).

    You can also get Fair and Flexible America for $5/month extra (difference: no
    roaming or long distance charges anywhere in the US, whereas if you roam off
    Sprint's network and don't have this plan it's 69c/minute) and you can get
    nights and weekends starting at 7pm for $5/month.

    >>I have VZW and made sure I don't go over by doubling my minutes, from
    >>400 to 800 for 20 bux. So I guess I can say that I got 400 minutes for
    >>20 bux in my own ad If I used Sprints formula to overcome overcall
    >>minutes those 400 minutes would cost me 40 bux, 10 bux for each 100.


    uhhh, yeah, and if you went over 400 minutes on a traditional plan, it would
    cost you at minimum 100 dollars on the lower-cost Verizon plan, and that's if
    you only get charged 25c/minute for overages -- it could be more.

    As has been discussed in the SPCS newsgroup, Fair & Flexible isn't for people
    who consistently use more minutes than they've purchased, it's for people who
    OCCASIONALLY use more minutes than they've purchased. People who are paying for
    X minutes and always using, say, X+200 minutes need to switch to a plan with
    more minutes. Personally, I'm always right up close to the 700 minutes I pay
    for every month and this way I know exactly what I'm paying if I go over.

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  2. #2
    Gregg Hill
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    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

    On Sprint's web site for southern CA zip codes, you'd be paying a LOT more
    for the same number of minutes, depending upon your plan. I have (for a few
    more days) an AT&T Local Digital Advantage plan that was $49.99 for 800
    minutes and I raised that a month ago to $69.99 for 1000 minutes.

    My new $59.99 Verizon America's Choice plan gives me 800 minutes.

    For the same $50 on Sprint Fair and Flexible, I would get 450 minutes, for
    the same $60 I would get 550 minutes, and for the same $70 on Sprint, I
    would get 650 minutes.

    Not very fair or flexible in my book! And, yes, I do hit my limits,
    sometimes exactly. I rarely miss by more than an hour. On the $50 plan, I'd
    have to not use 350 minutes to equal Sprint's "deal" and even more on the
    other plans.

    Let's not even mention superior coverage by Verizon, though Sprint is great
    locally in the OC.

    Gregg Hill


    "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > SPCS newsgroup added.
    >
    > bpuli wrote:
    >> but you have to pay 20x12=$240. in the sprint plan you have pay $10 only
    >> if and when you exceed your plan limits. so sprint is cheaper if you
    >> don't always exceed your plan minutes.

    >
    > No.
    >
    > #1, I just switched to the newly-launched Fair and Flexible plan, and #2,
    > I'm now working for a company that resells Sprint and at orientation last
    > week our Sprint rep explained this plan in detail. So I know what I'm
    > talking about.
    >
    > BTW, Sprint launched Fair and Flexible a month or two ago, but this
    > appears to be a relaunch - the plans aren't exactly the same. Here's how
    > the new F&F works.
    >
    > They have two tiers. One starts at, IIRC, $35 for 300 minutes. The other
    > one starts at $50 for 700 minutes. On the lower plan, if you go over, your
    > minute allotment is bumped up. You get additional minutes for $10/100
    > minutes or ten cents per minute. On the higher plan, it's $5/100 or 5
    > cents per minute.
    >
    > I forget how many minutes you can get this way on the lower tier, but on
    > the higher tier you can go up to 2000 minutes and then they simply bill
    > you 5c/minute for overages.
    >
    > I just switched from the $50/700 Free & Clear plan to $50/700 Free &
    > Flexible. On the F&C plan I'd pay 40 cents per minute if I go over,
    > period. On this plan I only pay 5 cents per minute. Yes, if I use two
    > minutes I get bumped up 100 and get charged $5. On the other hand, on F&C
    > I would get charged at least $5 extra anyhow, if I went over by 13 minutes
    > or more.
    >
    > I think the new F&F plans are better than the ones they originally
    > introduced (were they introduced nationwide? I don't know - haven't
    > travelled outside SoCal in the past couple months).
    >
    > You can also get Fair and Flexible America for $5/month extra (difference:
    > no roaming or long distance charges anywhere in the US, whereas if you
    > roam off Sprint's network and don't have this plan it's 69c/minute) and
    > you can get nights and weekends starting at 7pm for $5/month.
    >
    >>>I have VZW and made sure I don't go over by doubling my minutes, from
    >>>400 to 800 for 20 bux. So I guess I can say that I got 400 minutes for
    >>>20 bux in my own ad If I used Sprints formula to overcome overcall
    >>>minutes those 400 minutes would cost me 40 bux, 10 bux for each 100.

    >
    > uhhh, yeah, and if you went over 400 minutes on a traditional plan, it
    > would cost you at minimum 100 dollars on the lower-cost Verizon plan, and
    > that's if you only get charged 25c/minute for overages -- it could be
    > more.
    >
    > As has been discussed in the SPCS newsgroup, Fair & Flexible isn't for
    > people who consistently use more minutes than they've purchased, it's for
    > people who OCCASIONALLY use more minutes than they've purchased. People
    > who are paying for X minutes and always using, say, X+200 minutes need to
    > switch to a plan with more minutes. Personally, I'm always right up close
    > to the 700 minutes I pay for every month and this way I know exactly what
    > I'm paying if I go over.
    >
    > --
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    > Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /
    > [email protected]
    > PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
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  3. #3
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

    Gregg Hill wrote:

    > For the same $50 on Sprint Fair and Flexible, I would get 450 minutes, for
    > the same $60 I would get 550 minutes, and for the same $70 on Sprint, I
    > would get 650 minutes.


    This is a new Fair and Flexible plan. I forget which day we were indoctrinated
    by the Sprint rep, but she said it was to launch last week. Under that plan,
    700 minutes is $50/month just like it is on my old F&C plan.

    Does the website not reflect the new pricing? (If not, I'm going to have to
    call the rep and have her *****slap someone) :P

    --
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  4. #4
    Jerome Zelinske
    Guest

    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

    The whole point is the Flexible part. It is for those who only
    occasionally have to Flex to the higher minute levels. If you are not
    occasionally Flexing up to the 800 minute level, but are constantly at
    that level then Fair & Flexible is not for you. And in WI, I believe
    MN, and other states, verizon's coverage is not superior.

    Gregg Hill wrote:
    > On Sprint's web site for southern CA zip codes, you'd be paying a LOT more
    > for the same number of minutes, depending upon your plan. I have (for a few
    > more days) an AT&T Local Digital Advantage plan that was $49.99 for 800
    > minutes and I raised that a month ago to $69.99 for 1000 minutes.
    >
    > My new $59.99 Verizon America's Choice plan gives me 800 minutes.
    >
    > For the same $50 on Sprint Fair and Flexible, I would get 450 minutes, for
    > the same $60 I would get 550 minutes, and for the same $70 on Sprint, I
    > would get 650 minutes.
    >
    > Not very fair or flexible in my book! And, yes, I do hit my limits,
    > sometimes exactly. I rarely miss by more than an hour. On the $50 plan, I'd
    > have to not use 350 minutes to equal Sprint's "deal" and even more on the
    > other plans.
    >
    > Let's not even mention superior coverage by Verizon, though Sprint is great
    > locally in the OC.
    >
    > Gregg Hill
    >
    >
    > "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    >>SPCS newsgroup added.
    >>
    >>bpuli wrote:
    >>
    >>>but you have to pay 20x12=$240. in the sprint plan you have pay $10 only
    >>>if and when you exceed your plan limits. so sprint is cheaper if you
    >>>don't always exceed your plan minutes.

    >>
    >>No.
    >>
    >>#1, I just switched to the newly-launched Fair and Flexible plan, and #2,
    >>I'm now working for a company that resells Sprint and at orientation last
    >>week our Sprint rep explained this plan in detail. So I know what I'm
    >>talking about.
    >>
    >>BTW, Sprint launched Fair and Flexible a month or two ago, but this
    >>appears to be a relaunch - the plans aren't exactly the same. Here's how
    >>the new F&F works.
    >>
    >>They have two tiers. One starts at, IIRC, $35 for 300 minutes. The other
    >>one starts at $50 for 700 minutes. On the lower plan, if you go over, your
    >>minute allotment is bumped up. You get additional minutes for $10/100
    >>minutes or ten cents per minute. On the higher plan, it's $5/100 or 5
    >>cents per minute.
    >>
    >>I forget how many minutes you can get this way on the lower tier, but on
    >>the higher tier you can go up to 2000 minutes and then they simply bill
    >>you 5c/minute for overages.
    >>
    >>I just switched from the $50/700 Free & Clear plan to $50/700 Free &
    >>Flexible. On the F&C plan I'd pay 40 cents per minute if I go over,
    >>period. On this plan I only pay 5 cents per minute. Yes, if I use two
    >>minutes I get bumped up 100 and get charged $5. On the other hand, on F&C
    >>I would get charged at least $5 extra anyhow, if I went over by 13 minutes
    >>or more.
    >>
    >>I think the new F&F plans are better than the ones they originally
    >>introduced (were they introduced nationwide? I don't know - haven't
    >>travelled outside SoCal in the past couple months).
    >>
    >>You can also get Fair and Flexible America for $5/month extra (difference:
    >>no roaming or long distance charges anywhere in the US, whereas if you
    >>roam off Sprint's network and don't have this plan it's 69c/minute) and
    >>you can get nights and weekends starting at 7pm for $5/month.
    >>
    >>
    >>>>I have VZW and made sure I don't go over by doubling my minutes, from
    >>>>400 to 800 for 20 bux. So I guess I can say that I got 400 minutes for
    >>>>20 bux in my own ad If I used Sprints formula to overcome overcall
    >>>>minutes those 400 minutes would cost me 40 bux, 10 bux for each 100.

    >>
    >>uhhh, yeah, and if you went over 400 minutes on a traditional plan, it
    >>would cost you at minimum 100 dollars on the lower-cost Verizon plan, and
    >>that's if you only get charged 25c/minute for overages -- it could be
    >>more.
    >>
    >>As has been discussed in the SPCS newsgroup, Fair & Flexible isn't for
    >>people who consistently use more minutes than they've purchased, it's for
    >>people who OCCASIONALLY use more minutes than they've purchased. People
    >>who are paying for X minutes and always using, say, X+200 minutes need to
    >>switch to a plan with more minutes. Personally, I'm always right up close
    >>to the 700 minutes I pay for every month and this way I know exactly what
    >>I'm paying if I go over.
    >>
    >>--
    >>JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    >>Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /
    >>[email protected]
    >>PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    >>Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.

    >
    >
    >




  5. #5
    let_it_ride
    Guest

    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

    Have to disagree, the new Tier 2 plan works good even if you do go over the
    700 minutes. Take a good look, even if you use 2000 min, it cost the same
    as a 2000 min plan, $110 with no roaming, and at that point, overages are
    only 5 cents/min, not 40!!!
    "Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Sprint's web site for southern CA zip codes, you'd be paying a LOT more
    > for the same number of minutes, depending upon your plan. I have (for a
    > few more days) an AT&T Local Digital Advantage plan that was $49.99 for
    > 800 minutes and I raised that a month ago to $69.99 for 1000 minutes.
    >
    > My new $59.99 Verizon America's Choice plan gives me 800 minutes.
    >
    > For the same $50 on Sprint Fair and Flexible, I would get 450 minutes, for
    > the same $60 I would get 550 minutes, and for the same $70 on Sprint, I
    > would get 650 minutes.
    >
    > Not very fair or flexible in my book! And, yes, I do hit my limits,
    > sometimes exactly. I rarely miss by more than an hour. On the $50 plan,
    > I'd have to not use 350 minutes to equal Sprint's "deal" and even more on
    > the other plans.
    >
    > Let's not even mention superior coverage by Verizon, though Sprint is
    > great locally in the OC.
    >
    > Gregg Hill
    >
    >
    > "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> SPCS newsgroup added.
    >>
    >> bpuli wrote:
    >>> but you have to pay 20x12=$240. in the sprint plan you have pay $10 only
    >>> if and when you exceed your plan limits. so sprint is cheaper if you
    >>> don't always exceed your plan minutes.

    >>
    >> No.
    >>
    >> #1, I just switched to the newly-launched Fair and Flexible plan, and #2,
    >> I'm now working for a company that resells Sprint and at orientation last
    >> week our Sprint rep explained this plan in detail. So I know what I'm
    >> talking about.
    >>
    >> BTW, Sprint launched Fair and Flexible a month or two ago, but this
    >> appears to be a relaunch - the plans aren't exactly the same. Here's how
    >> the new F&F works.
    >>
    >> They have two tiers. One starts at, IIRC, $35 for 300 minutes. The other
    >> one starts at $50 for 700 minutes. On the lower plan, if you go over,
    >> your minute allotment is bumped up. You get additional minutes for
    >> $10/100 minutes or ten cents per minute. On the higher plan, it's $5/100
    >> or 5 cents per minute.
    >>
    >> I forget how many minutes you can get this way on the lower tier, but on
    >> the higher tier you can go up to 2000 minutes and then they simply bill
    >> you 5c/minute for overages.
    >>
    >> I just switched from the $50/700 Free & Clear plan to $50/700 Free &
    >> Flexible. On the F&C plan I'd pay 40 cents per minute if I go over,
    >> period. On this plan I only pay 5 cents per minute. Yes, if I use two
    >> minutes I get bumped up 100 and get charged $5. On the other hand, on F&C
    >> I would get charged at least $5 extra anyhow, if I went over by 13
    >> minutes or more.
    >>
    >> I think the new F&F plans are better than the ones they originally
    >> introduced (were they introduced nationwide? I don't know - haven't
    >> travelled outside SoCal in the past couple months).
    >>
    >> You can also get Fair and Flexible America for $5/month extra
    >> (difference: no roaming or long distance charges anywhere in the US,
    >> whereas if you roam off Sprint's network and don't have this plan it's
    >> 69c/minute) and you can get nights and weekends starting at 7pm for
    >> $5/month.
    >>
    >>>>I have VZW and made sure I don't go over by doubling my minutes, from
    >>>>400 to 800 for 20 bux. So I guess I can say that I got 400 minutes for
    >>>>20 bux in my own ad If I used Sprints formula to overcome overcall
    >>>>minutes those 400 minutes would cost me 40 bux, 10 bux for each 100.

    >>
    >> uhhh, yeah, and if you went over 400 minutes on a traditional plan, it
    >> would cost you at minimum 100 dollars on the lower-cost Verizon plan, and
    >> that's if you only get charged 25c/minute for overages -- it could be
    >> more.
    >>
    >> As has been discussed in the SPCS newsgroup, Fair & Flexible isn't for
    >> people who consistently use more minutes than they've purchased, it's for
    >> people who OCCASIONALLY use more minutes than they've purchased. People
    >> who are paying for X minutes and always using, say, X+200 minutes need to
    >> switch to a plan with more minutes. Personally, I'm always right up close
    >> to the 700 minutes I pay for every month and this way I know exactly what
    >> I'm paying if I go over.
    >>
    >> --
    >> JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    >> Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /
    >> [email protected]
    >> PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    >> Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three
    >> kids.

    >
    >






  6. #6
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

    Jerome Zelinske wrote:
    > The whole point is the Flexible part. It is for those who only
    > occasionally have to Flex to the higher minute levels. If you are not
    > occasionally Flexing up to the 800 minute level, but are constantly at
    > that level then Fair & Flexible is not for you. And in WI, I believe
    > MN, and other states, verizon's coverage is not superior.


    Yup - they're beefing up coverage up there, but for a long time I know for sure
    that Sprint was far superior...

    --
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  7. #7
    David L
    Guest

    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

    "let_it_ride" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Have to disagree, the new Tier 2 plan works good even if you do go over the
    > 700 minutes. Take a good look, even if you use 2000 min, it cost the same
    > as a 2000 min plan, $110 with no roaming, and at that point, overages are
    > only 5 cents/min, not 40!!!


    I have to commend SPCS for breaking ranks with this old idea of
    "punishing" users for going over their limit.
    I think 30-42¢/minute is just pure punishment and an inducement for
    customers to buy a bigger plan than they need, in order to avoid an
    occaisional exhorbitant and down right abusive penalty. The carrier's
    justification...every other cellco was doing it. grrrr!

    -
    David



  8. #8
    Jerome Zelinske
    Guest

    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

    Well I don't know the current situation in MN, but here in WI, Sprint
    PCS does cover more acreage and more population than verizon.

    Steve Sobol wrote:
    > Jerome Zelinske wrote:
    >
    >> The whole point is the Flexible part. It is for those who only
    >> occasionally have to Flex to the higher minute levels. If you are not
    >> occasionally Flexing up to the 800 minute level, but are constantly at
    >> that level then Fair & Flexible is not for you. And in WI, I believe
    >> MN, and other states, verizon's coverage is not superior.

    >
    >
    > Yup - they're beefing up coverage up there, but for a long time I know
    > for sure that Sprint was far superior...
    >




  9. #9
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

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    >
    > Yup - they're beefing up coverage up there, but for a long time I know for sure
    > that Sprint was far superior...
    >


    I would like to know how they are doing that. There is no spectrum
    available for Verizon to purchase and they do not seem to be increasing
    cell density in town (Coon Rapids, Anoka, Andover and Ramsey have not
    changed at all in 5 years!). The only expansion that I have seen is
    local carrier buy out in the Arrowhead region and for the majority of
    people in the state, that is not considered much of an improvement
    except perhaps when on vacation.

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  10. #10
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

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    In alt.cellular.sprintpcs let_it_ride <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Have to disagree, the new Tier 2 plan works good even if you do go over the
    > 700 minutes. Take a good look, even if you use 2000 min, it cost the same
    > as a 2000 min plan, $110 with no roaming, and at that point, overages are
    > only 5 cents/min, not 40!!!
    >


    Essentially, if you can average 525 anytime minutes or more per month,
    you are better off on the Fair & Flexible plan [option 2]. I made the
    switch yesterday. I called and asked to switch, but was leary of paying
    another $10 when my current usage stays between 400 and 500 minutes by
    careful rationing towards the end of the month. They gave me Vision for
    $10 rather than $15 giving me a net increase of only $5! So, well worth
    it to me to move to F&F 700.

    Honestly, I thhink this plan is being offered to get people off of the
    Free & Clear plans. Which makes me think they should change the name of
    the Free & Clear America add-on as I still have that and it should
    probably be called Fair And Flexible America.

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  11. #11
    John R. Copeland
    Guest

    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
    news:[email protected]
    >=20
    > Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>=20
    >> Yup - they're beefing up coverage up there, but for a long time I =

    know for sure=20
    >> that Sprint was far superior...
    >>=20

    >=20
    > I would like to know how they are doing that. There is no spectrum
    > available for Verizon to purchase and they do not seem to be =

    increasing
    > cell density in town (Coon Rapids, Anoka, Andover and Ramsey have not
    > changed at all in 5 years!). The only expansion that I have seen is
    > local carrier buy out in the Arrowhead region and for the majority of
    > people in the state, that is not considered much of an improvement
    > except perhaps when on vacation.
    >=20
    > Thomas T. Veldhouse


    Probably they are doing much of it by roaming onto Sprint.
    Last weekend in Walker, MN (southeast of Bemidji),
    my son thought he had good Verizon coverage.
    When I suggested he dial *611, he heard "Welcome to SprintPCS".
    He then realized his phone showed he was on the "Extended Network".
    ---JRC---





  12. #12
    John R. Copeland
    Guest

    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
    news:[email protected]
    >=20
    > Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>=20
    >> Yup - they're beefing up coverage up there, but for a long time I =

    know for sure=20
    >> that Sprint was far superior...
    >>=20

    >=20
    > I would like to know how they are doing that. There is no spectrum
    > available for Verizon to purchase and they do not seem to be =

    increasing
    > cell density in town (Coon Rapids, Anoka, Andover and Ramsey have not
    > changed at all in 5 years!). The only expansion that I have seen is
    > local carrier buy out in the Arrowhead region and for the majority of
    > people in the state, that is not considered much of an improvement
    > except perhaps when on vacation.
    >=20
    > Thomas T. Veldhouse


    Probably they are doing much of it by roaming onto Sprint.
    Last weekend in Walker, MN (southeast of Bemidji),
    my son thought he had good Verizon coverage.
    When I suggested he dial *611, he heard "Welcome to SprintPCS".
    He then realized his phone showed he was on the "Extended Network".
    ---JRC---





  13. #13
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

    Jerome Zelinske wrote:
    > Well I don't know the current situation in MN, but here in WI,
    > Sprint PCS does cover more acreage and more population than verizon.


    I can tell you that for several years, if you made a choice between Sprint and
    Verizon and you lived somewhere outside the Twin Cities, your carrier's native
    coverage would have been much better if you chose Sprint. Don't know if that's
    still true.

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  14. #14
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

    Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

    > Essentially, if you can average 525 anytime minutes or more per month,
    > you are better off on the Fair & Flexible plan [option 2]. I made the
    > switch yesterday. I called and asked to switch, but was leary of paying
    > another $10 when my current usage stays between 400 and 500 minutes by
    > careful rationing towards the end of the month. They gave me Vision for
    > $10 rather than $15 giving me a net increase of only $5! So, well worth
    > it to me to move to F&F 700.


    You can already get Vision for $10 instead of $15 per month if you choose not
    to get the monthly $10 download credit. Does your Vision plan include that
    credit? (My guess is "probably not".)

    > Honestly, I thhink this plan is being offered to get people off of the
    > Free & Clear plans.


    Why do you think that? I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with F&C...



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  15. #15
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: Fair and Flexible Re: new sprint add

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    > I can tell you that for several years, if you made a choice between Sprint and
    > Verizon and you lived somewhere outside the Twin Cities, your carrier's native
    > coverage would have been much better if you chose Sprint. Don't know if that's
    > still true.
    >


    Yes, it is still true. Verizon is only native in the Twin Cities, the
    Arrowhead [recently] and around Moorhead. Everywhere else is roaming
    [albiet free roaming more often than not].

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