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- 10-12-2004, 12:56 PM #16Doug KanterGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
"Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> > I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to
a
> > new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of
the
> > yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
> > service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and
came
> > away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service
and
> > try another provider
> >
> > 1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was
actually
> > able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from
my
> > home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
> > hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
> > nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?
>
> Resoundly True. Cell sites use directional antennae... in fact in an
> area where buildout is mature, they sort of have to. Cell sites, even
> those that operate on CDMA as Sprint does, are sectorized to reduce
> interference with neighboring cells on different pilot signals.
>
>
> > 2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
> > uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
> > signal. Likely or not?
>
> Actually, very likely. The 7867 is a 5 year old design at least, and
> the network has changed quite a bit since then. The carriers have
> worked to squeeze more capacity out of the network, and in CDMA that
> means a generally higher signal to noise ratio (in CDMA, all other
> conversations happening on the same channel are "noise" to your
> particular handset), and thus greater tolerance requirements for a
> higher noise floor. This has forced chipmakers (mainly Qualcomm) to
> come up with better, more sensitive RF stages for newer handsets.
>
> The result is your old phone will still work with the present network,
> but not as well as it did four years ago even in the best of
> circumstances. If you put a current-model Sanyo side by side with your
> StarTAC, the Sanyo will probably receive a better signal nearly all of
> the time.
>
> > 3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone,
even
> > though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
> > pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've
made an
> > observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
> > when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers
have
> > gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
> > arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to
also
> > kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
> > useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
> > tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow
(turning
> > away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort
of
> > special effects in a B-movie.
>
> Yeah, a casualty of the need to squeeze capacity is sound quality.
> Vocoder ("VOice enCODER") bitrates have gone down, and that means your
> StarTAC which uses a 13kbps vocoder will sound better than the
> 8kpbs/variable-rate vocoder on today's phones. However, some phone
> manufacturers are still better than others. A lot of people (including
> myself) swear by the Sanyo models. Samsungs aren't all that great, and
> the jury is still out on LG.
>
> Of course nothing, not even a StarTAC, beats the sound quality on the
> original Qualcom QCP-2700s that Sprint first started out with back in
> 1996. I had one and could swear that phone sounded as good, and
> sometimes even better, than a landline. It was small and light, and it
> was solidly built... if you smashed the 2700 against a brick, my bet
> would be that the phone would win and the brick would lose.
>
> Sadly, none of that is true with current phones from any wireless
> carrier these days.
>
> Before jumping ship, I would give the Sanyo 4920 a try. It's the
> descendant of the 4900, which Sprint users have been raving about for a
> while as being the best phone (of current models, anyway) for call
> quality and for holding a signal.
>
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Thanks, Isaiah, for the specific phone model tips. The guy at the Sprint
store pointed out a Sanyo. Years ago, I was in the car audio business,
selling AND installing what I sold. Sanyos were hideous. Absolutely
atrocious. We used to warn customers 10 times to keep the knobs & faceplate
very clean for the first week because they'd be back to exchange the units
for something real. 9 out of 10 people came back.
So, my stomach turned when he mentioned Sanyo, but my experience goes back
15 years. I'll take another look.
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- 10-12-2004, 01:06 PM #17Guest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
In alt.cellular-phone-tech matt weber <[email protected]> wrote:
: As for improved sensitivity with new technology? BS. Receiver
: technology has changed remarkably little in the past 40 years. The RF
: performance of the handset is mostly related to the antenna design in
I agree. I have a 5 year old Kyocera 2-mode cellphone and it works
much more reliably in a fringe area vs. my new Audiovox flip phone.
My GF also has an old Audiovox and it works superior to the newer ones.
In their efforts to make the phones compact and add features, they really
don't seem to be paying attention to signal quality.
b.
- 10-12-2004, 08:03 PM #18Tom HoldenGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
Connecting two antennas back-to-back makes a passive bi-directional
repeater. It's a cheap solution useful where the field strength from each
transmitter is high at the antenna which is pointing at it and there is an
obstruction between the transmitter and receiver. I used this technique
successfully on a 13 mile bi-directional analog video microwave link, with a
1/2 mile dogleg from the top of the hill down into a valley. The hilltop
site was unpowered and accessible only with ATV but was a lot cheaper than
putting up a 300 ft tower.
It should work with cellular telephony as you suggest. The trick is to
capture enough energy from each transmitter to overcome the transmission
line losses and lay down sufficient signal strength at both receivers. If
you can't make it with antenna gain, then you'll have to go with an active
repeater.
Tom
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Subject: Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
>
>
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> > "dxAce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > >
> > > John Richards wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > There are solutions to your home location reception problem
(external
> > > > Yagi antenna hooked to an in-house repeater) but it's quite
expensive.
> > >
> > > I've seen some setups that only use two yagi's, one in the home (or
> > business), and the other outside,
> > > connected only by cable. No repeater involved.
> > >
> > > dxAce
> > > Michigan
> > > USA
> > >
> > >
> >
> > And this does what? Somehow redirects the cellular signal into the
home???
>
> What would be your best guess??? ;-)
>
> I have no idea whether it works or not.
>
> dxAce
> Michigan
> USA
>
>
- 10-13-2004, 07:23 AM #19DavidGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
I have a Motorola 343 and it sounds very pleasant (for digital). Plus
it has this handy feature: you don't have to unfold it. It's one of
the new ''one piece'' designs.
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:32:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> I used to have crappy coverage (non-existant at home) until I switched
>> to Verizon (800 mHz CDMA G3). It works flawlessly.
>>
>> You can switch providers and keep your existing number. It's called
>> ''porting''. Radio Shack are the experts.
>
>I'm aware of the porting issue. And, Verizon is known around here for having
>great coverage in rural areas, which Sprint does not.
>
>This leaves me with evaluating the audio quality of the phones themselves
>(not the network, but the individual phone models).
>
- 10-13-2004, 12:17 PM #20cliftoGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
Doug Kanter wrote:
> So, my stomach turned when he mentioned Sanyo, but my experience goes back
> 15 years. I'll take another look.
A friend of mine raves about his Sanyo phone on Sprint. When his first
was stolen, he worked really hard to find another like it.
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- 10-13-2004, 01:51 PM #21Jim85CJGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
Sanyo phones seem to get the best signal (for me at least). I love my
4920 and loved my 4900...
clifto wrote:
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>>So, my stomach turned when he mentioned Sanyo, but my experience goes back
>>15 years. I'll take another look.
>
>
> A friend of mine raves about his Sanyo phone on Sprint. When his first
> was stolen, he worked really hard to find another like it.
>
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- 10-14-2004, 10:41 AM #22Isaiah BeardGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
Doug Kanter wrote:
> Thanks, Isaiah, for the specific phone model tips. The guy at the Sprint
> store pointed out a Sanyo. Years ago, I was in the car audio business,
> selling AND installing what I sold. Sanyos were hideous. Absolutely
> atrocious. We used to warn customers 10 times to keep the knobs & faceplate
> very clean for the first week because they'd be back to exchange the units
> for something real. 9 out of 10 people came back.
>
> So, my stomach turned when he mentioned Sanyo, but my experience goes back
> 15 years. I'll take another look.
There seems to be an odd situation with asian electronics conglomerates,
where the quality of their consumer audio, video and appliance products
in NO way reflect the quality of their cell phones. Different divisions
within the same conglomerate apparently have different philosophies.
I agree with you that Sanyo A/V equipment is junk. However, their cell
phones are uncharacteristically excellent.
Conversely, I have a Samsung refrigerator in my kitchen and a Samsung 19
inch LCD display on my computer, and they are excellent products that I
have highly praised and recommended to other people. However Samsung's
cell phones, for lack of a better term, are total ****. Every Samsung
cell phone I've tried from 1999 all the way to the present are cheaply
constructed, have horrible audio quality, and couldn't hold calls even
when I was outside and in plain view of a Sprint cell tower.
The exception is NEC/Mitsubishi. All of their products have proven to
be mediocre.
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- 10-14-2004, 11:32 AM #23Doug KanterGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
"Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Isaiah, for the specific phone model tips. The guy at the Sprint
> > store pointed out a Sanyo. Years ago, I was in the car audio business,
> > selling AND installing what I sold. Sanyos were hideous. Absolutely
> > atrocious. We used to warn customers 10 times to keep the knobs &
faceplate
> > very clean for the first week because they'd be back to exchange the
units
> > for something real. 9 out of 10 people came back.
> >
> > So, my stomach turned when he mentioned Sanyo, but my experience goes
back
> > 15 years. I'll take another look.
>
> There seems to be an odd situation with asian electronics conglomerates,
> where the quality of their consumer audio, video and appliance products
> in NO way reflect the quality of their cell phones. Different divisions
> within the same conglomerate apparently have different philosophies.
>
> I agree with you that Sanyo A/V equipment is junk. However, their cell
> phones are uncharacteristically excellent.
>
> Conversely, I have a Samsung refrigerator in my kitchen and a Samsung 19
> inch LCD display on my computer, and they are excellent products that I
> have highly praised and recommended to other people. However Samsung's
> cell phones, for lack of a better term, are total ****. Every Samsung
> cell phone I've tried from 1999 all the way to the present are cheaply
> constructed, have horrible audio quality, and couldn't hold calls even
> when I was outside and in plain view of a Sprint cell tower.
>
> The exception is NEC/Mitsubishi. All of their products have proven to
> be mediocre.
If only Sanyo made a phone for Verizon, the runner-up in my quest for better
and/or new service.....
Talk about dumb, though: When I first got a cell phone, I signed a 1-year,
29.95 per month contract with Sprint. At the end of the contract, I did
nothing, they said nothing, and I just kept paying the bills for 2 more
years. I called the guy at the Sprint store this morning and mentioned the
Sanyo phone. He said that in order to get that phone, I'd have to upgrade to
39.95 per month. I asked how a monetary issue is connected to the particular
phone, and he sort of mumbled something about the purchase deal for the
phone. He's checking with his supervisor blah blah blah.
- 10-14-2004, 11:37 AM #24Bob SmithGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
"Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<snipped>
> If only Sanyo made a phone for Verizon, the runner-up in my quest for
better
> and/or new service.....
>
> Talk about dumb, though: When I first got a cell phone, I signed a 1-year,
> 29.95 per month contract with Sprint. At the end of the contract, I did
> nothing, they said nothing, and I just kept paying the bills for 2 more
> years. I called the guy at the Sprint store this morning and mentioned the
> Sanyo phone. He said that in order to get that phone, I'd have to upgrade
to
> 39.95 per month. I asked how a monetary issue is connected to the
particular
> phone, and he sort of mumbled something about the purchase deal for the
> phone. He's checking with his supervisor blah blah blah.
The minimum plans now are $35/mo. plus taxes and surcharges. If you take the
full $150 credit off a new phone, you will be required to commit to a new 2
year agreement.
Bob
- 10-14-2004, 12:41 PM #25Doug KanterGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
"Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:uKybd.9298$%[email protected]...
> <snipped>
>
> > If only Sanyo made a phone for Verizon, the runner-up in my quest for
> better
> > and/or new service.....
> >
> > Talk about dumb, though: When I first got a cell phone, I signed a
1-year,
> > 29.95 per month contract with Sprint. At the end of the contract, I did
> > nothing, they said nothing, and I just kept paying the bills for 2 more
> > years. I called the guy at the Sprint store this morning and mentioned
the
> > Sanyo phone. He said that in order to get that phone, I'd have to
upgrade
> to
> > 39.95 per month. I asked how a monetary issue is connected to the
> particular
> > phone, and he sort of mumbled something about the purchase deal for the
> > phone. He's checking with his supervisor blah blah blah.
>
> The minimum plans now are $35/mo. plus taxes and surcharges. If you take
the
> full $150 credit off a new phone, you will be required to commit to a new
2
> year agreement.
>
> Bob
>
>
By the way, I was with a friend at a Verizon outlet a couple of months back.
He wanted a phone ONLY for emergencies, and began to walk away from the
counter when the guy gave him prices for plans with 200-400 minutes. The
salesman said "Hang on a sec....", checked with someone else in the store,
and revealed that there's a 19.95 deal with either no minutes, or very few -
I don't recall. He said they don't publicize it much. Just something to
know....
- 10-24-2004, 05:30 PM #26Phil, Squid-in-TrainingGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
> I agree with you that Sanyo A/V equipment is junk. However, their
> cell phones are uncharacteristically excellent.
Absolutely!
> Conversely, I have a Samsung refrigerator in my kitchen and a Samsung
> 19 inch LCD display on my computer, and they are excellent products
> that I have highly praised and recommended to other people. However
> Samsung's cell phones, for lack of a better term, are total ****. Every
> Samsung cell phone I've tried from 1999 all the way to the
> present are cheaply constructed, have horrible audio quality, and
> couldn't hold calls even when I was outside and in plain view of a
> Sprint cell tower.
I bought a Sanyo 5300 before coming to college just so that I wouldn't have
to fight with the Samsung I had before that, since it would be my only
phone. I activated it and have had only a few rare problems with it.
A year after I got my 5300, my sister started to whine DAILY to me that
"Sprint sucks so bad, I get cut off a minute into each and every call." She
really wasn't lying. This was during the last 3 months or our 2-year
contract, and both my parents' and sister's Samsungs were deteriorating
fast, even after PRL/firmware updates. I was constantly telling her that it
was the phone, not the service, but she wanted to switch to Verizon badly.
I told her to give Sprint a chance, specifically with Sanyo 4920s. She
hasn't mentioned one dropped call since. Talk about a total 180, huh? The
retention deal wasn't too bad, either.
Why would Sprint represent their service so poorly with Samsung phones
instead of pushing Sanyo? In retail, repeat sales always takes precedence
over a higher phone-profit-margin. It seems like a no-brainer.
Oh, and the Samsungs were all A400s.
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- 10-24-2004, 05:33 PM #27Steve SobolGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
Phil, Squid-in-Training wrote:
> Why would Sprint represent their service so poorly with Samsung phones
> instead of pushing Sanyo? In retail, repeat sales always takes precedence
> over a higher phone-profit-margin. It seems like a no-brainer.
Samsungs are OK. I like my A660.
However, they could be better at holding signals - my wife's (discontinued)
Hitachi P300 seems to generally be better than mine is. For RF, it probably
doesn't come close to the Sanyo phones.
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- 10-25-2004, 09:25 AM #28Junior Member
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Sprint Plan
Actually Sprint has a $20.00 plan available and you can always return the phone if you don't like it. How many minutes are you getting on your $29.95 plan?
- 10-25-2004, 09:57 AM #29John RichardsGuest
Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality
"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Why would Sprint represent their service so poorly with Samsung phones instead of pushing Sanyo? In retail, repeat sales always
> takes precedence over a higher phone-profit-margin. It seems like a no-brainer.
>
> Oh, and the Samsungs were all A400s.
I'm not familiar with the Samsung A400, but our family has used
Samsung A620 (VGA1000) phones for the past year, and we like them
quite well. Before that we used the Samsung 8500, also a nice phone.
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John Richards
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