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- 10-23-2004, 08:37 PM #16Steve SobolGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Steve Sobol wrote:
> John Navas wrote:
>
>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>
>
> Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it
> is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How
exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start
handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range
of frequencies instead of just 800?
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- 10-24-2004, 12:36 AM #17Dr. Rastis FafoofnikGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los
Angeles
> market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion
that
> it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. (It could be Verizon too, though. But
> given that Verizon has stopped building out analog and given that they
have
> almost no analog capacity in this part of SBD County, I'm pretty sure it's
> *not* Verizon.)
>
> Also, I was curious if there are any Cingular customers posting to the
Cingular
> newsgroup from the Apple Valley or Victorville, CA. Specifically, I'm
curious
> about Cingular coverage between National Trails Highway (old US 66) and US
395
> on Air Expressway.
Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
..
- 10-24-2004, 12:41 AM #18CharlesHGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
In article <[email protected]>,
JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from
>putting up
>>analog towers too, for roamers.
>
>I don't think there's much of a business case for putting up towers
>just to serve roaming customers. Roaming business only makes sense
>when the towers first serve your own customers and then *also* serve
>roaming customers for an additional fee.
If Cingular in CA is only 1900MHz, then they cannot provide analog, since
there is no analog on the PCS band. Only digital of one flavor or another.
When they merge with AT&T Wireless, then the combined company will have
850MHz (cellular band) service.
- 10-24-2004, 01:14 AM #19John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:37:04 -0700, Steve
Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
>Steve Sobol wrote:
>> John Navas wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>>
>> Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it
>> is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
>
>And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How
>exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start
>handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range
>of frequencies instead of just 800?
It's a range of frequencies, the same frequencies for TDMA/AMPS 800 as for GSM
850. See <http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/s...quencies.shtml>
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- 10-24-2004, 01:21 AM #20John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
>Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
>It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
>beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.
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- 10-24-2004, 07:01 AM #21Jerome ZelinskeGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
If the cellular a and the cellular b licenses are already held by
someone else, how would cingular be able to put up an analogue system?
Steve Sobol wrote:
> Frank Harris wrote:
>
>>> Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California.
>>
>>
>> I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as
>> Pac Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system.
>
>
> Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from
> putting up analog towers too, for roamers.
>
>> According to Andrew Shepherd's maps, ATTWS is the A-side carrier in
>> San Bernardino County and Verizon is the B-side carrier.
>
>
> That'd be correct.
>
>> Have you received an analog signal (or a digital roam 800CDMA signal)
>> in the places you mention? Can you put your phone in field debug mode
>> to reveal a SID number? Or call 611 and see who answers?
>
>
> Well, in the area I referred to I have basically no digital signal, from
> Air Expressway just east of Village Drive down to old Route 66 (National
> Trails Highway) down into Victorville's Old Town neighborhood, D Street
> just past I-15. I don't have problems elsewhere, and can use my Sprint
> phone at my house out on the edge of town where my Verizon phone was
> basically unusable. Out on the eastern part of Air Expressway, there's
> nothing... no houses, no businesses, nothing except a junkyard, so I
> suspect that Sprint has little incentive to put a tower there. But my
> father-in-law's T-Mobile phone works, and he'd be using Cingular towers
> if he's using his phone here in California. (Of course, he's not using
> the phone in analog.)
>
> I have Fair & Flexible, but I'd need to pay the additional five bucks
> per month for F&F America in order to not pay roaming charges; right now
> if I try to make an analog call I get charged 50c/minute, so I'm not
> real keen on experimentation
>
- 10-24-2004, 07:23 AM #22Scott Nelson - Wash DCGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
"Jerome Zelinske" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If the cellular a and the cellular b licenses are already held by
> someone else, how would cingular be able to put up an analogue system?
>
<snip>
AT&T has the "A" band spectrum for most of So Cal, which Cingular now has.
Scotty
- 10-24-2004, 07:25 AM #23Scott Nelson - Wash DCGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
"CharlesH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from
<snip>
> If Cingular in CA is only 1900MHz, then they cannot provide analog, since
> there is no analog on the PCS band. Only digital of one flavor or another.
> When they merge with AT&T Wireless, then the combined company will have
> 850MHz (cellular band) service.
-->AT&T has the "A" band spectrum for most of So Cal, which Cingular now
has.
Scotty
- 10-24-2004, 09:02 AM #24Steve SobolGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik wrote:
> Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
> Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
> It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
> beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
But it's not. Pissed me off big time, too - my house was a little too far from
the tower to reliably get a digital signal but analog worked fine... but a
majority of analog calls wouldn't go through anyhow, I assume due to lack of
capacity - I constantly got fast busy signals. The phone could acquire the
analog carrier with no problems, I just couldn't make a call.
I hope no one tries to make an On-Star call from my neighborhood. I only got
through in analog maybe on time out of every three or four.
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- 10-24-2004, 09:03 AM #25Steve SobolGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> If the cellular a and the cellular b licenses are already held by
> someone else, how would cingular be able to put up an analogue system?
Cingular is buying the A-side carrier (ATTWS)
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- 10-24-2004, 09:53 AM #26Jack ZwickGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
> 06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
> >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
> >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
> >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
>
> From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
>
> In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
> ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
> the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
> carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
> the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
> January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
> dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.
This affects Sobol's service TODAY how?
- 10-24-2004, 10:14 AM #27JosephGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:33:10 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
wrote:
>John Navas wrote:
>
>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>
>Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850,
>isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
GSM 850 is what is referred to as 800 for other technologies such as
TDMA, CDMA and analog AMPS. For whatever reason when they use the
same frequencies with GSM they call it 850. Go figure.
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- 10-24-2004, 10:16 AM #28JosephGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:37:04 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Steve Sobol wrote:
>> John Navas wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>>
>>
>> Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it
>> is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
>
>And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How
>exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start
>handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range
>of frequencies instead of just 800?
It's not 800 or 850 in reality. It is frequencies *around* 800 Mhz
for sending and receiving. It isn't exactly 800 Mhz nor is it exactly
850 either.
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- 10-24-2004, 02:18 PM #29John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:14:54
-0700, Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:33:10 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>>
>>Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850,
>>isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
>
>GSM 850 is what is referred to as 800 for other technologies such as
>TDMA, CDMA and analog AMPS. For whatever reason when they use the
>same frequencies with GSM they call it 850. Go figure.
Probably to minimize confusion between TDMA and GSM.
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- 10-24-2004, 02:20 PM #30John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
2004 15:53:13 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
>> 06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
>> >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
>> >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
>> >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
>>
>> From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
>>
>> In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
>> ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
>> the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
>> carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
>> the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
>> January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
>> dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.
>
>This affects Sobol's service TODAY how?
My point was that those "two MAJOR customers" have no bearing on the
availability of AMPS (analog) service.
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