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  1. #1
    John Navas
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    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3971053.stm>

    Anyone in their 30s can remember when voicemail was as much of a
    novelty as push-button phones. But to younger folk, leaving a voice
    message is just passé.

    Progress has little respect for innovation or technology. From their
    position of near ubiquity, fax machines are on a long slow decline.
    Pagers are about to go the same way, with phone firm O2 due to turn
    off its paging system at the end of 2004.

    And voicemail could be next, not least because it is a technology
    that a generation is simply not using. Research by voicemail service
    firm Mobeon has revealed a huge age-related gap in who is prepared to
    put up with it.

    "Younger people do not use voicemail," says Anthony Beswick from
    Mobeon Labs. "They tend to SMS and IM each other."

    The reason for this is the changing types of communication that
    people have got used to.

    "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a world
    where information is real time," he says.

    This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up at
    some point in the future or that makes them call another number to
    find out who has been trying to contact them.

    [MORE]

    --
    Best regards,
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>



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  2. #2

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    I hate to listen voicemails
    rrrrrrrrr
    prefer SMSes

    Stan





  3. #3
    Brad
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    Lets see, in the time I can type one lousy sms message, I could leave 3
    voice mails, and not have a cramp in my fingers.

    More fiscal stupidity by the younger set.

    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3971053.stm>
    >
    > Anyone in their 30s can remember when voicemail was as much of a
    > novelty as push-button phones. But to younger folk, leaving a voice
    > message is just passé.
    >
    > Progress has little respect for innovation or technology. From their
    > position of near ubiquity, fax machines are on a long slow decline.
    > Pagers are about to go the same way, with phone firm O2 due to turn
    > off its paging system at the end of 2004.
    >
    > And voicemail could be next, not least because it is a technology
    > that a generation is simply not using. Research by voicemail service
    > firm Mobeon has revealed a huge age-related gap in who is prepared to
    > put up with it.
    >
    > "Younger people do not use voicemail," says Anthony Beswick from
    > Mobeon Labs. "They tend to SMS and IM each other."
    >
    > The reason for this is the changing types of communication that
    > people have got used to.
    >
    > "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a world
    > where information is real time," he says.
    >
    > This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    > leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up at
    > some point in the future or that makes them call another number to
    > find out who has been trying to contact them.
    >
    > [MORE]
    >
    > --
    > Best regards,
    > John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>






  4. #4
    Alphageek
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3971053.stm>
    >
    > Anyone in their 30s can remember when voicemail was as much of a
    > novelty as push-button phones. But to younger folk, leaving a voice
    > message is just passé.
    >
    > Progress has little respect for innovation or technology. From their
    > position of near ubiquity, fax machines are on a long slow decline.
    > Pagers are about to go the same way, with phone firm O2 due to turn
    > off its paging system at the end of 2004.
    >
    > And voicemail could be next, not least because it is a technology
    > that a generation is simply not using. Research by voicemail service
    > firm Mobeon has revealed a huge age-related gap in who is prepared to
    > put up with it.
    >
    > "Younger people do not use voicemail," says Anthony Beswick from
    > Mobeon Labs. "They tend to SMS and IM each other."
    >
    > The reason for this is the changing types of communication that
    > people have got used to.
    >
    > "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a world
    > where information is real time," he says.
    >
    > This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    > leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up at
    > some point in the future or that makes them call another number to
    > find out who has been trying to contact them.
    >
    > [MORE]
    >
    > --
    > Best regards,
    > John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>


    I am not 13 years old, so I don't IM or SMS. Can't they keep voice mail
    running a little longer for us old farts in our 30s?





  5. #5
    John Navas
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    SMS:

    * tends to be less expensive and more efficient than voice
    * doesn't risk getting you involved in a long voice conversation
    * can get through when signal is too weak/flaky for voice
    * can be broadcast to more than one recipient
    * is received on the handset with full info, not just a flag
    * is less likely to garble content (e.g., numbers, words/*****ing)
    * leaves a record for the sender
    * actual delivery can be confirmed
    * can be locally saved on the handset and/or on the SIM
    * can be forwarded
    * can be copied to a computer or other device
    * can be moved on the SIM to another handset
    * doesn't disturb others when being sent, which can be a major consideration
    * is less intrusive when received, another important consideration
    * can be sent from a computer or from a web server
    * is interoperable with email (sending and receiving)
    * can be composed very quickly by those with experience
    * templates can be used in many cases, making it even faster
    * emoticons can be used to convey subtle meanings
    * can include multimedia content (e.g., icons, pictures)

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:24:53 -0600,
    "Brad" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Lets see, in the time I can type one lousy sms message, I could leave 3
    >voice mails, and not have a cramp in my fingers.
    >
    >More fiscal stupidity by the younger set.
    >
    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3971053.stm>


    >> [SNIP]


    >> "Younger people do not use voicemail," says Anthony Beswick from
    >> Mobeon Labs. "They tend to SMS and IM each other."
    >>
    >> The reason for this is the changing types of communication that
    >> people have got used to.
    >>
    >> "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a world
    >> where information is real time," he says.
    >>
    >> This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    >> leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up at
    >> some point in the future or that makes them call another number to
    >> find out who has been trying to contact them.
    >>
    >> [MORE]


    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  6. #6
    Cyrus Afzali
    Guest

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:24:53 -0600, "Brad" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Lets see, in the time I can type one lousy sms message, I could leave 3
    >voice mails, and not have a cramp in my fingers.
    >
    >More fiscal stupidity by the younger set.


    It's not a matter of stupidity, it's a matter of preference. In the
    U.S., because GSM came relatively late to the party, people are still
    getting accustomed to SMS and its advantages. As with many kinds of
    new technologies, they will be embraced faster by younger individuals,
    but that doesn't mean they lack merit.

    There are many advantages to SMS to those that use it. For example,
    it's a great way to send non-urgent information to someone without
    disturbing them in the midst of whatever they might be doing. They are
    free to get to their SMS inbox whenever it's more convenient for them.
    And that's just one practical advantage it has.
    >
    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3971053.stm>
    >>
    >> Anyone in their 30s can remember when voicemail was as much of a
    >> novelty as push-button phones. But to younger folk, leaving a voice
    >> message is just passé.
    >>
    >> Progress has little respect for innovation or technology. From their
    >> position of near ubiquity, fax machines are on a long slow decline.
    >> Pagers are about to go the same way, with phone firm O2 due to turn
    >> off its paging system at the end of 2004.
    >>
    >> And voicemail could be next, not least because it is a technology
    >> that a generation is simply not using. Research by voicemail service
    >> firm Mobeon has revealed a huge age-related gap in who is prepared to
    >> put up with it.
    >>
    >> "Younger people do not use voicemail," says Anthony Beswick from
    >> Mobeon Labs. "They tend to SMS and IM each other."
    >>
    >> The reason for this is the changing types of communication that
    >> people have got used to.




  7. #7
    John Richards
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a world
    > where information is real time," he says.
    >
    > This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    > leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up at
    > some point in the future or that makes them call another number to
    > find out who has been trying to contact them.


    Maybe I'm missing something, but how is leaving a voicemail message any
    less "real time" than sending that person a text message? Except for a few
    rare circumstances (say, in a classroom or meeting) if I receive a text message
    from someone, I would not give it preference over any voicemail left for me.
    In fact, the opposite is true since 'voice' implies more urgency than 'text'.

    --
    John Richards



  8. #8
    Quick
    Guest

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    John Richards wrote:
    > "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a
    >> world where information is real time," he says.
    >>
    >> This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    >> leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up
    >> at some point in the future or that makes them call another
    >> number to find out who has been trying to contact them.

    >
    > Maybe I'm missing something, but how is leaving a voicemail message
    > any
    > less "real time" than sending that person a text message? Except for
    > a few rare circumstances (say, in a classroom or meeting) if I
    > receive a text message from someone, I would not give it preference
    > over any voicemail left for me. In fact, the opposite is true since
    > 'voice' implies more urgency than 'text'.


    How about (daughter to friend example) "look at that cute guy standing
    outside the door in the hall"? Voice mail wouldn't cut it. You would have
    to speak out loud to leave the voice mail. It would take a minute or so
    for the indicator to arrive at the target phone. Recipient would have to
    dial voice mail and listen... cute guy has moved on out of sight. Then
    there is the thing about not having to speak out loud to convey the message.
    Important if you are discussing the person you are standing next to. etc.

    there are a lot of differences you are missing.

    -Quick

    -Quick





  9. #9
    John Navas
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 08 Nov 2004
    21:45:36 GMT, "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a world
    >> where information is real time," he says.
    >>
    >> This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    >> leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up at
    >> some point in the future or that makes them call another number to
    >> find out who has been trying to contact them.

    >
    >Maybe I'm missing something, but how is leaving a voicemail message any
    >less "real time" than sending that person a text message? Except for a few
    >rare circumstances (say, in a classroom or meeting) if I receive a text message
    >from someone, I would not give it preference over any voicemail left for me.
    >In fact, the opposite is true since 'voice' implies more urgency than 'text'.


    A text message is more real time than voicemail because it's complete on the
    handset, whereas voicemail is just a generic flag.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  10. #10
    John Richards
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    "Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > John Richards wrote:
    >> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>> "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a
    >>> world where information is real time," he says.
    >>>
    >>> This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    >>> leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up
    >>> at some point in the future or that makes them call another
    >>> number to find out who has been trying to contact them.

    >>
    >> Maybe I'm missing something, but how is leaving a voicemail message
    >> any
    >> less "real time" than sending that person a text message? Except for
    >> a few rare circumstances (say, in a classroom or meeting) if I
    >> receive a text message from someone, I would not give it preference
    >> over any voicemail left for me. In fact, the opposite is true since
    >> 'voice' implies more urgency than 'text'.

    >
    > How about (daughter to friend example) "look at that cute guy standing
    > outside the door in the hall"? Voice mail wouldn't cut it. You would have
    > to speak out loud to leave the voice mail. It would take a minute or so
    > for the indicator to arrive at the target phone. Recipient would have to
    > dial voice mail and listen... cute guy has moved on out of sight. Then
    > there is the thing about not having to speak out loud to convey the message.
    > Important if you are discussing the person you are standing next to. etc.


    This is perhaps a valid point for teenagers, but most of us are not teenagers.

    --
    John Richards



  11. #11
    John Richards
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    >
    > Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.


    Right, my cell phone doesn't.

    > And the people I know think phones are to talk on.


    Same here. I guess you and I don't hang out with teenagers. :-)

    --
    John Richards



  12. #12
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    John Richards wrote:

    > This is perhaps a valid point for teenagers, but most of us are not
    > teenagers.


    Another example that doesn't necessarily apply to everyone: I can use SMS as a
    replacement for alpha paging when a server I maintain goes down...



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  13. #13
    John Navas
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Tue, 09 Nov 2004
    05:28:40 GMT, "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]


    >> How about (daughter to friend example) "look at that cute guy standing
    >> outside the door in the hall"? Voice mail wouldn't cut it. You would have
    >> to speak out loud to leave the voice mail. It would take a minute or so
    >> for the indicator to arrive at the target phone. Recipient would have to
    >> dial voice mail and listen... cute guy has moved on out of sight. Then
    >> there is the thing about not having to speak out loud to convey the message.
    >> Important if you are discussing the person you are standing next to. etc.

    >
    >This is perhaps a valid point for teenagers, but most of us are not teenagers.


    Adults use real time messaging in meetings (and even in courtrooms) in much
    the same way.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  14. #14
    dr.wireMORE
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    Messages getting lost or delayed.

    I (we) have experienced in our local area that text messages as well as
    voice messages have sometimes been delayed for up to 4-7 days. Part of this
    was an upgrade, but it has also been happening off/on for about 3 months,
    and if you depend on this delivery as "real time" or absolute, then you may
    be in for a surprise (disappointment).

    But, given truth in advertising: the fine print says that the carrier (any
    carrier) is not responsible for lost or delayed messages. They do not
    gaurantee delivery. So if it is really important, you should "speak" to the
    person who needs that information. dr.

    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <[email protected]gy.com> on Mon, 08 Nov 2004
    > 21:45:36 GMT, "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]
    >>> "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a world
    >>> where information is real time," he says.

    >>
    >>Maybe I'm missing something, but how is leaving a voicemail message any
    >>less "real time" than sending that person a text message? Except for a few
    >>rare circumstances (say, in a classroom or meeting) if I receive a text
    >>message
    >>from someone, I would not give it preference over any voicemail left for
    >>me.
    >>In fact, the opposite is true since 'voice' implies more urgency than
    >>'text'.

    >
    > A text message is more real time than voicemail because it's complete on
    > the
    > handset, whereas voicemail is just a generic flag.
    >
    > --
    > Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    > John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>






  15. #15
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Tue, 09 Nov 2004
    13:56:27 GMT, "dr.wireMORE" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Messages getting lost or delayed.
    >
    >I (we) have experienced in our local area that text messages as well as
    >voice messages have sometimes been delayed for up to 4-7 days. Part of this
    >was an upgrade, but it has also been happening off/on for about 3 months,
    >and if you depend on this delivery as "real time" or absolute, then you may
    >be in for a surprise (disappointment).
    >
    >But, given truth in advertising: the fine print says that the carrier (any
    >carrier) is not responsible for lost or delayed messages. They do not
    >gaurantee delivery. So if it is really important, you should "speak" to the
    >person who needs that information. dr.


    Much depends on the carrier, of course. With Cingular GSM, I've never seen a
    message delayed except when traversing a gateway to another carrier, and even
    that has been rare. When delivery of a message is important, I turn on the
    delivery confirmation flag and/or ask the recipient to confirm delivery. In
    general I find SMS delivery to be more reliable and immediate than voicemail.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



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