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  1. #1
    E Herron
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    I recently bought a Samsung i300 phone on eBay that suggested that it would
    work on the Verizon network. I have been unable to get it to work, and I
    think the reason is that my phone number was ported-over from Sprint. From
    what I can determine, when a number is ported (at least to Verizon) there
    are then two phone numbers that work in concert with one-another to somehow
    achieve using a number from another carrier on the Verizon network. Again,
    I don't know the details about how exactly this works, but in going into my
    existing system programming section of my current phone and prior phones
    that is how it seems to be. The i300 doesn't allow this two-number scheme,
    which I think is at the heart of the problem.

    Anyone have any experience or have any problems with
    local-number-portability using older equipment? Does anyone know how this
    two phone-number thing works?

    Thanks in advance for your help.
    Herron





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  2. #2
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: i300 on Verizon network

    E Herron wrote:
    > I recently bought a Samsung i300 phone on eBay that suggested that it would
    > work on the Verizon network. I have been unable to get it to work, and I
    > think the reason is that my phone number was ported-over from Sprint. From
    > what I can determine, when a number is ported (at least to Verizon) there
    > are then two phone numbers that work in concert with one-another to somehow
    > achieve using a number from another carrier on the Verizon network. Again,
    > I don't know the details about how exactly this works, but in going into my
    > existing system programming section of my current phone and prior phones
    > that is how it seems to be. The i300 doesn't allow this two-number scheme,
    > which I think is at the heart of the problem.
    >
    > Anyone have any experience or have any problems with
    > local-number-portability using older equipment? Does anyone know how this
    > two phone-number thing works?
    >
    > Thanks in advance for your help.
    > Herron


    I can actually confirm that there are three items used to identify a phone to a
    wireless carrier now that portability is in effect.

    ESN: the phone's Electronic Serial Number (has always been used)
    MTN: the phone's Mobile Telephone Number (has always been used)

    I can't recall the name of the third, but it's unique to the carrier you're using.

    If your phone number has never been ported to another carrier by yourself or
    anyone else, that third number will be the same as your MTN. Otherwise, it will
    be different.


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  3. #3
    Herron
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    Re: i300 on Verizon network

    Steve, thanks. I may be out-of-luck using this phone on the Verizon network
    without giving up my phone number, and that's not going to happen...
    Appreciate your help.

    Herron

    "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > E Herron wrote:
    > > I recently bought a Samsung i300 phone on eBay that suggested that it

    would
    > > work on the Verizon network. I have been unable to get it to work, and

    I
    > > think the reason is that my phone number was ported-over from Sprint.

    From
    > > what I can determine, when a number is ported (at least to Verizon)

    there
    > > are then two phone numbers that work in concert with one-another to

    somehow
    > > achieve using a number from another carrier on the Verizon network.

    Again,
    > > I don't know the details about how exactly this works, but in going into

    my
    > > existing system programming section of my current phone and prior phones
    > > that is how it seems to be. The i300 doesn't allow this two-number

    scheme,
    > > which I think is at the heart of the problem.
    > >
    > > Anyone have any experience or have any problems with
    > > local-number-portability using older equipment? Does anyone know how

    this
    > > two phone-number thing works?
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance for your help.
    > > Herron

    >
    > I can actually confirm that there are three items used to identify a phone

    to a
    > wireless carrier now that portability is in effect.
    >
    > ESN: the phone's Electronic Serial Number (has always been used)
    > MTN: the phone's Mobile Telephone Number (has always been used)
    >
    > I can't recall the name of the third, but it's unique to the carrier

    you're using.
    >
    > If your phone number has never been ported to another carrier by yourself

    or
    > anyone else, that third number will be the same as your MTN. Otherwise, it

    will
    > be different.
    >
    >
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  4. #4
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: i300 on Verizon network

    I seem to remember Sprint PCS saying that if you wanted to activate a
    new phone/line or change to a different model phone on an old line,
    whether the number was previously ported or not, that phone needed the
    newer tech that provided for portability.



  5. #5
    Evan Platt
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    Re: i300 on Verizon network

    On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:59:39 -0800, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >I can actually confirm that there are three items used to identify a phone to a
    >wireless carrier now that portability is in effect.
    >
    >ESN: the phone's Electronic Serial Number (has always been used)
    >MTN: the phone's Mobile Telephone Number (has always been used)
    >
    >I can't recall the name of the third, but it's unique to the carrier you're using.


    MSN. Can't recall what it stands for. Can't find a definition on
    google...
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  6. #6
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: i300 on Verizon network

    Jerome Zelinske wrote:
    > I seem to remember Sprint PCS saying that if you wanted to activate
    > a new phone/line or change to a different model phone on an old line,
    > whether the number was previously ported or not, that phone needed the
    > newer tech that provided for portability.


    Yes. Absolutely - the phone needs to be able to store the actual phone number
    used to call you as well as that carrier-specific ID (whose name I can't
    remember). This is true regardless of carrier. If your phone doesn't support
    LNP you can't port your number without buying a new phone.

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  7. #7
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: i300 on Verizon network

    Evan Platt wrote:
    > On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:59:39 -0800, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I can actually confirm that there are three items used to identify a phone to a
    >>wireless carrier now that portability is in effect.
    >>
    >>ESN: the phone's Electronic Serial Number (has always been used)
    >>MTN: the phone's Mobile Telephone Number (has always been used)
    >>
    >>I can't recall the name of the third, but it's unique to the carrier you're using.

    >
    >
    > MSN. Can't recall what it stands for. Can't find a definition on
    > google...


    Microsoft Network.

    I thought it was MSID? (Mobile Station ID, perhaps MSN == Mobile Station Number?)


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  8. #8
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: i300 on Verizon network

    However, what I have been able to do, since I have more than one copy
    of the same old, not portable, model phone, is change phones within the
    same model. Like when I left one at my parent's house 110 miles away,
    or while I dried one out. Yes it worked fine after it was dry.



  9. #9
    mike.sprint
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    Re: i300 on Verizon network

    Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Evan Platt wrote:
    > > On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:59:39 -0800, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>I can actually confirm that there are three items used to identify a phone to a
    > >>wireless carrier now that portability is in effect.
    > >>
    > >>ESN: the phone's Electronic Serial Number (has always been used)
    > >>MTN: the phone's Mobile Telephone Number (has always been used)
    > >>
    > >>I can't recall the name of the third, but it's unique to the carrier you're using.

    > >
    > >
    > > MSN. Can't recall what it stands for. Can't find a definition on
    > > google...

    >
    > Microsoft Network.
    >
    > I thought it was MSID? (Mobile Station ID, perhaps MSN == Mobile Station Number?)


    ESN : MDN : MSID
    with sprint thats what is used to program a phone
    MDN the handsets #
    MSID usually matches MDN but not after WLNP and 3G data , SIP (PTT)
    came about
    Sprint still programs handsets by hand , yet VZW will use OTA (over
    the air) to program the handsets.
    more to come



  10. #10
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: i300 on Verizon network

    mike.sprint wrote:

    > MSID usually matches MDN but not after WLNP and 3G data , SIP (PTT)
    > came about
    > Sprint still programs handsets by hand , yet VZW will use OTA (over
    > the air) to program the handsets.
    > more to come


    Right, right, the MSID will be the same as the phone number if you haven't
    ported your number to another carrier....

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