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  1. #1
    steve
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    $40 for 300 minutes? Things have changed a bit since you last checked.

    I'm in Chicago and have t-mobile which has really good customer service.

    $40 for 600 nationwide with n/w
    http://www.t-mobile.com/plans/Nation...sp?PlanID=3222

    $50 for 3000 regional minutes
    http://www.t-mobile.com/locator.asp?....asp%3Ftab%3Dr
    egional\

    you can always use plan minutes for web access, but that's pretty slow.
    $20 gets you unmetered tethering, $5 gets you wap and email on your
    phone.

    In article <[email protected]>,
    <"[email protected]"> wrote:

    > I am currently with Verizon in Chicago, but I'm thinking about changing
    > service since the current phone offerings suck. Does cingular/Sprint
    > offer something comparable to my current plan (about $40 plus taxes):
    >
    > 300 nationwide minutes
    > unlimited n/w
    > Web browsing
    > Use of standard minutes for high-speed (1xrtt) net access (basically
    > use my phone as a slightly faster than dial-up modem)
    >
    > Actually, that's about all I get from this plan which is a few years
    > old. I am currently month to month so switching is no problem. What I
    > would like is a blue-tooth (camera) phone that can communicate directly
    > with my laptop, and act as a modem when I'm on the road (the RAZR v3
    > looks good). My brother has the Mot V710, and we both don't like it. I
    > want
    > to be able to use voice minutes for net access ideally.
    >
    > No roaming/long distance charges in the US. Ideally, I would want to be
    > able to use the phone in Canada/Europe without being completely ripped
    > off, but this is not critical. I continue to hear bad things about
    > Sprint's service, but Cingular/T-mobile look more promising than in the
    > past. Verizon has a good network, but lousy phones. Also, a GSM phone
    > seems to be more useful if you travel abroad than CDMA. It's been a
    > while since I looked into these matters so please forgive any factual
    > mistakes. Thanks for any advice or comments.
    >
    > Wiggling
    >




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  2. #2
    steve
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    Re: Considering switching?

    Why don't you go to their web site and find out?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    <"[email protected]"> wrote:

    > What kind of net access does T-mobile offer? Something comparable to
    > 1xrtt, or 3G? Also, have you tried international roaming? Thanks,
    > Wiggling
    >




  3. #3
    Joseph
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    On 11 Dec 2004 14:36:30 -0800, "[email protected]"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >What kind of net access does T-mobile offer? Something comparable to
    >1xrtt, or 3G? Also, have you tried international roaming? Thanks,
    >Wiggling


    T-Mobile at present only has GPRS which doesn't give nearly the speed
    that 1xrtt does. They are supposed to have EDGE which will give
    comparable speeds to 1xrtt and does not use minutes but rather a data
    allowance (if you're on a metered plan.) International roaming works
    extremely well with T-Mobile since GSM has over 1 billion subscribers
    world-wide.

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  4. #4
    LEM
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    Re: Considering switching?

    "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > What kind of net access does T-mobile offer? Something comparable to
    > 1xrtt, or 3G? Also, have you tried international roaming? Thanks,
    > Wiggling
    >


    Net Access: For $5 a month you can have unlimited GPRS, which DOES NOT
    use up your minutes, and gives you ability to browse wap content on the
    phone, or use IRDA, BlueTooth or cable to hook up your lap-top. I think
    the $5 leaves only basic HTML and e-mail ports open (no SSL, or other
    wiered ports) and masqueraded IP. For $20/month you can have all ports
    and a real IP. I think $10 a month is something in between, but don't
    remember which. Speeds are comparable to dial-up, maybe a bit slower, I
    never really used it too much to tell. There are talks of launching EDGE,
    which is a high speed wireless internet, but no date, AFAIK. So could be
    some time away...

    International roaming: If you plan to roam internationally, I don't think
    you can go wrong with T-mobile. Last time I checked they had the lowest
    roaming rates (save for those who grandfathered their roaming rates from
    Voicestream times, which are virtually free by todays standards). In most
    of Western Europe roaming costs about $1-$1.50/minute, though there are
    countries where you can run into $5/min, so check their web-site.
    Besides, T-mobile is the only carrier, which will unlock your phone for
    you at no charge (and at all). You need to be a customer in good standing
    for 90 days in order for them to provide you unlock code, but I've known
    pepole who managed to get the the codes from them much earlier. If you
    are traveling internationally, this is an invaluable option, because you
    can just buy a local pre-paid SIM card in your destination country and
    pay pennies for your phone usage compared to the steep roaming rates
    (albeit cheapest in the current market). I used my phone abroad 3 times.
    Two of which I got a local pre-paid SIM and paid almost nothing for my
    calls (remember, in most of Europe incoming calls to cellular are free
    and unlimited with a local SIM).

    LEM - a happy T-mobile customer for almost a year now. Thinking in horror
    of his former carrier, especially its customer service... Not to point
    fingers, but it's name starts with an "S" and ends with "PCS" ;-).

    P.S. To reply in person, remove all digits from e-mail address.



  5. #5
    LEM
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > What kind of net access does T-mobile offer? Something comparable to
    > 1xrtt, or 3G? Also, have you tried international roaming? Thanks,
    > Wiggling
    >


    Net Access: For $5 a month you can have unlimited GPRS, which DOES NOT
    use up your minutes, and gives you ability to browse wap content on the
    phone, or use IRDA, BlueTooth or cable to hook up your lap-top. I think
    the $5 leaves only basic HTML and e-mail ports open (no SSL, or other
    wiered ports) and masqueraded IP. For $20/month you can have all ports
    and a real IP. I think $10 a month is something in between, but don't
    remember which. Speeds are comparable to dial-up, maybe a bit slower, I
    never really used it too much to tell. There are talks of launching EDGE,
    which is a high speed wireless internet, but no date, AFAIK. So could be
    some time away...

    International roaming: If you plan to roam internationally, I don't think
    you can go wrong with T-mobile. Last time I checked they had the lowest
    roaming rates (save for those who grandfathered their roaming rates from
    Voicestream times, which are virtually free by todays standards). In most
    of Western Europe roaming costs about $1-$1.50/minute, though there are
    countries where you can run into $5/min, so check their web-site.
    Besides, T-mobile is the only carrier, which will unlock your phone for
    you at no charge (and at all). You need to be a customer in good standing
    for 90 days in order for them to provide you unlock code, but I've known
    pepole who managed to get the the codes from them much earlier. If you
    are traveling internationally, this is an invaluable option, because you
    can just buy a local pre-paid SIM card in your destination country and
    pay pennies for your phone usage compared to the steep roaming rates
    (albeit cheapest in the current market). I used my phone abroad 3 times.
    Two of which I got a local pre-paid SIM and paid almost nothing for my
    calls (remember, in most of Europe incoming calls to cellular are free
    and unlimited with a local SIM).

    LEM - a happy T-mobile customer for almost a year now. Thinking in horror
    of his former carrier, especially its customer service... Not to point
    fingers, but it's name starts with an "S" and ends with "PCS" ;-).

    P.S. To reply in person, remove all digits from e-mail address.



  6. #6
    Dan Albrich
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    No one else currently includes data (especially high speed data) without
    additional monthly charge. I've been using the included data with Verizon
    for more than 4 years (circuit switched, and for the past 2 years 1XRTT).
    Data uses my minutes but I don't pay additional for it monthly. For me,
    this makes Verizon the best value. By the same token, I would *not* switch
    to Verizon for the included data. They removed the web pages describing
    this deal about a year ago, and don't guarantee it anywhere in written form.
    [If they advertised it, and supported it as an officially supported feature,
    I'd tell everyone who needs data to use Verizon] i.e. The good deal could
    vanish at any time.

    If all you care is voice, lots of carriers can do it (and maybe better), and
    almost certainly for less money. You'll have to test the new carrier during
    the 7-14 day try-out period to make sure they work well.

    I realize Eugene Oregon is an esoteric example, but near the UO campus where
    I work, only Verizon and T-Mobile have what I would call decent coverage,
    and yes, I have tried all of the others. For me, having a phone that works
    well where I spend most of my time is important, regardless of who the
    carrier is. In my case, Verizon works really well. AT&T/Cingular not only
    have poor signal in my area, but they are *way* oversold to the point where
    all circuit's busy is the norm rather than the exception. Hard to believe
    anyone could be oversold in a city as small as Eugene, but it does happen...

    -Dan

    PS: It didn't used to be this way. About one year ago Verizon was an "also
    ran" kind of provider in my local area. They built two new towers- one on
    the east campus and one on the west campus and currently have outstanding
    coverage all over campus including in-building coverage virtually anywhere--
    even in the basement level of many buildings. By the way, I do realize
    this varies dramatically by location. I'm sure there are carriers that have
    better coverage than Verizon in many places, just not the ones I spend most
    of time in.

    --
    Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    http://cell.uoregon.edu





  7. #7
    Dan Albrich
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    No one else currently includes data (especially high speed data) without
    additional monthly charge. I've been using the included data with Verizon
    for more than 4 years (circuit switched, and for the past 2 years 1XRTT).
    Data uses my minutes but I don't pay additional for it monthly. For me,
    this makes Verizon the best value. By the same token, I would *not* switch
    to Verizon for the included data. They removed the web pages describing
    this deal about a year ago, and don't guarantee it anywhere in written form.
    [If they advertised it, and supported it as an officially supported feature,
    I'd tell everyone who needs data to use Verizon] i.e. The good deal could
    vanish at any time.

    If all you care is voice, lots of carriers can do it (and maybe better), and
    almost certainly for less money. You'll have to test the new carrier during
    the 7-14 day try-out period to make sure they work well.

    I realize Eugene Oregon is an esoteric example, but near the UO campus where
    I work, only Verizon and T-Mobile have what I would call decent coverage,
    and yes, I have tried all of the others. For me, having a phone that works
    well where I spend most of my time is important, regardless of who the
    carrier is. In my case, Verizon works really well. AT&T/Cingular not only
    have poor signal in my area, but they are *way* oversold to the point where
    all circuit's busy is the norm rather than the exception. Hard to believe
    anyone could be oversold in a city as small as Eugene, but it does happen...

    -Dan

    PS: It didn't used to be this way. About one year ago Verizon was an "also
    ran" kind of provider in my local area. They built two new towers- one on
    the east campus and one on the west campus and currently have outstanding
    coverage all over campus including in-building coverage virtually anywhere--
    even in the basement level of many buildings. By the way, I do realize
    this varies dramatically by location. I'm sure there are carriers that have
    better coverage than Verizon in many places, just not the ones I spend most
    of time in.

    --
    Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    http://cell.uoregon.edu





  8. #8
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:30:50
    -0800, Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 11 Dec 2004 14:36:30 -0800, "[email protected]"
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>What kind of net access does T-mobile offer? Something comparable to
    >>1xrtt, or 3G? Also, have you tried international roaming? Thanks,
    >>Wiggling

    >
    >T-Mobile at present only has GPRS which doesn't give nearly the speed
    >that 1xrtt does.


    GPRS actually compares fairly well to 1xRTT, which is typically only a little
    faster than GPRS.

    >They are supposed to have EDGE which will give
    >comparable speeds to 1xrtt and does not use minutes but rather a data
    >allowance (if you're on a metered plan.)


    But not yet.

    >International roaming works
    >extremely well with T-Mobile since GSM has over 1 billion subscribers
    >world-wide.


    But is expensive, and you need a multi-band "world" phone. Cheaper to get a
    prepaid SIM when you go overseas.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  9. #9
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    John Navas wrote:

    >>T-Mobile at present only has GPRS which doesn't give nearly the speed
    >>that 1xrtt does.

    >
    > GPRS actually compares fairly well to 1xRTT, which is typically only a little
    > faster than GPRS.


    It doesn't, however, come close to 1xEV-DO which Verizon is already rolling
    out, and which Sprint has apparently finally decided to implement.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.



  10. #10
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:11:40 -0800, Steve
    Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >
    >>>T-Mobile at present only has GPRS which doesn't give nearly the speed
    >>>that 1xrtt does.

    >>
    >> GPRS actually compares fairly well to 1xRTT, which is typically only a little
    >> faster than GPRS.

    >
    >It doesn't, however, come close to 1xEV-DO which Verizon is already rolling
    >out, and which Sprint has apparently finally decided to implement.


    EDGE beats 1xRTT by a wide margin and is widely deployed by Cingular-ATTWS,
    with much better coverage than EV-DO, which is roughly matched by UMTS.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  11. #11
    SinghaLvr
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:48:29 -0500, John Navas wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    >
    >> International roaming works
    >> extremely well with T-Mobile since GSM has over 1 billion subscribers
    >> world-wide.

    >
    > But is expensive, and you need a multi-band "world" phone. Cheaper to get a
    > prepaid SIM when you go overseas.


    .... which at least you can use if you have a GSM phone. (Unlocked.)
    If you have a CDMA phone you have to keep an extra GSM phone lying around for
    those travel situations. :-(





  12. #12
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    SinghaLvr wrote:

    > ... which at least you can use if you have a GSM phone. (Unlocked.)
    > If you have a CDMA phone you have to keep an extra GSM phone lying around for
    > those travel situations. :-(


    Unless you have a Samsung A690 from Verzion. (Hybrid CDMA/GSM phone)
    I'm surprised we haven't seen more of these from the other major carriers.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.



  13. #13
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    John Navas wrote:

    > EDGE beats 1xRTT by a wide margin and is widely deployed by Cingular-ATTWS,
    > with much better coverage than EV-DO, which is roughly matched by UMTS.


    I've heard of EDGE but don't know anything about it - what's the average top
    speed? 1xEV-DO is supposedly about 350-500Kbps.



    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.



  14. #14
    Bob Horvath
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    Steve Sobol wrote:
    > SinghaLvr wrote:
    >
    >> ... which at least you can use if you have a GSM phone. (Unlocked.)
    >> If you have a CDMA phone you have to keep an extra GSM phone lying
    >> around for those travel situations. :-(

    >
    >
    > Unless you have a Samsung A690 from Verzion. (Hybrid CDMA/GSM phone)
    > I'm surprised we haven't seen more of these from the other major carriers.
    >


    What about the Motorola A840?

    http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=510



  15. #15
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Considering switching?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:11:18 -0800, Steve
    Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> EDGE beats 1xRTT by a wide margin and is widely deployed by Cingular-ATTWS,
    >> with much better coverage than EV-DO, which is roughly matched by UMTS.

    >
    >I've heard of EDGE but don't know anything about it - what's the average top
    >speed? ...


    <http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...%3Dlang_en%26n
    um%3D100%26hl%3Den%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#47caf1167d90739b>
    or <http://tinyurl.com/6e39u>

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



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