Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message news[email protected]...
>
> Many people in Europe as well as Asia must be very unwise as well
> since that's all that's available to them.

Uh, might that be because AMPS service is not as widespread
in Europe and Asia as it is in the US? Smart people purchase
a cellphone that has the best coverage for their needs. In the
US, if you want off-road coverage you'd better have AMPS.

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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:49:35 GMT, "D.J. Osborn"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:14:41 GMT, "D.J. Osborn"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >"Many people" are unwise people. As I stated: Wise people don't buy
>> >all-digital phones.
>>
>> Many people in Europe as well as Asia must be very unwise as well
>> since that's all that's available to them.
>
>
>That's a nonsensical statement, since the context of this discussion is the
>US market.

I really don't give a damn since it was posted to alt.cellular and
crossposted to gawd knows how many other groups.

Take your head out of your ass.

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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 05:44:10 GMT, "John Richards"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message news[email protected]...
>>
>> Many people in Europe as well as Asia must be very unwise as well
>> since that's all that's available to them.
>
>Uh, might that be because AMPS service is not as widespread
>in Europe and Asia as it is in the US? Smart people purchase
>a cellphone that has the best coverage for their needs. In the
>US, if you want off-road coverage you'd better have AMPS.

Make a generalized statement and you'll get a generalized answer.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Is there a reliable, third party, frequently updated, source that
> reports the relative market share, market share rate of change, etc. of
> the 4/5 major carriers?
>

RCR Wireless News, http://www.rcrnews.com, has a set of wireless
statistics at the end of each weekly issue they publish. But those
kinds of stats aren't always in the published stats each week. I'm not
sure that anyone is tracking this more than quarterly, and even that (so
far as I can tell) is only based on the carriers' own released
information.

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is not so good as it ought to be.
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Quarterly is frequent enough for me. Thanks!

"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote:

> D.J. Osborn wrote:
>
> > They should have the desire to be concerned.
>
> I agree, actually, but the reality is that people don't want to be hassled
with
> trying to figure out what underlying technology they need to use to be
able to
> place calls.

That means they're not wise consumers.

> >>You don't have to worry about buying a
> >>television or some other electronic device and have it work if you move
> > from
> >>one area to another.
> >
> > It's moving in that direction, though. Tha's why a wise person will do
his
> > research before purchasing a TV.
>
> It is moving in that direction, but will be a lot less of an issue than it
is
> with cell phones, as I already mentioned, since every service provider
(i.e.,
> TV station) in the country MUST go digital.

It still doesn't tell people which Tv to buy to give them what they need--or
want. Do they get analog, or is EDTV good enough, or must it be HDTV. Does
it have a built-in digital tuner, or does it require a set-top box? It's
another situation where it's quite easy to make a poor cjoice unless one is
a wise consumer.

> > Wise people do research and make informed buying decisions. Unwise
people
> > don't.
>
> Well, I know the reality of the situation, and that's why I have a
tri-mode
> AMPS-capable phone on a carrier that has no native analog coverage
anywhere.
> Really, you're preaching to the choir on this particular point. People
SHOULD
> research their buying decisions. But many DON'T.

That means they're not wise consumers.


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D.J. Osborn wrote:

> It still doesn't tell people which Tv to buy to give them what they need--or
> want. Do they get analog, or is EDTV good enough, or must it be HDTV. Does
> it have a built-in digital tuner, or does it require a set-top box? It's
> another situation where it's quite easy to make a poor cjoice unless one is
> a wise consumer.

There's really no point in continuing this particular discussion, as we keep
saying the same thing over and over. Again, I think we agree on the basic fact
that people SHOULD do their homework. In a perfect world, everyone WOULD. In a
perfect world, cellular carriers wouldn't have to ***** everything out. In the
real world, it would be helpful if carriers did do a better job of laying
everything out for the customer.

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"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote:

> D.J. Osborn wrote:
>
> > It still doesn't tell people which Tv to buy to give them what they
need--or
> > want. Do they get analog, or is EDTV good enough, or must it be HDTV.
Does
> > it have a built-in digital tuner, or does it require a set-top box? It's
> > another situation where it's quite easy to make a poor cjoice unless one
is
> > a wise consumer.
>
> There's really no point in continuing this particular discussion, as we
keep
> saying the same thing over and over. Again, I think we agree on the basic
fact
> that people SHOULD do their homework. In a perfect world, everyone WOULD.
In a
> perfect world, cellular carriers wouldn't have to ***** everything out. In
the
> real world, it would be helpful if carriers did do a better job of laying
> everything out for the customer.


Agreed.

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:41:08 -0800, Steve Sobol <[email protected]> chose
to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>D.J. Osborn wrote:
>
>> They should have the desire to be concerned.
>
>I agree, actually, but the reality is that people don't want to be hassled with
>trying to figure out what underlying technology they need to use to be able to
>place calls.
>
>>>You don't have to worry about buying a
>>>television or some other electronic device and have it work if you move
>> from
>>>one area to another.
>>
>> It's moving in that direction, though. Tha's why a wise person will do his
>> research before purchasing a TV.
>
>It is moving in that direction, but will be a lot less of an issue than it is
>with cell phones, as I already mentioned, since every service provider (i.e.,
>TV station) in the country MUST go digital.

And all on the same standard.

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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:14:23 GMT, "D.J. Osborn" <[email protected]>
chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
everything:

>"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> D.J. Osborn wrote:
>>
>> > It still doesn't tell people which Tv to buy to give them what they
>need--or
>> > want. Do they get analog, or is EDTV good enough, or must it be HDTV.
>Does
>> > it have a built-in digital tuner, or does it require a set-top box? It's
>> > another situation where it's quite easy to make a poor cjoice unless one
>is
>> > a wise consumer.
>>
>> There's really no point in continuing this particular discussion, as we

Thank you!

>keep
>> saying the same thing over and over. Again, I think we agree on the basic
>fact
>> that people SHOULD do their homework. In a perfect world, everyone WOULD.
>In a
>> perfect world, cellular carriers wouldn't have to ***** everything out. In
>the
>> real world, it would be helpful if carriers did do a better job of laying
>> everything out for the customer.
>
>
>Agreed.

Thank you!

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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:14:23 GMT, "D.J. Osborn" <[email protected]>
chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
everything:

>"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> D.J. Osborn wrote:
>>
>> > It still doesn't tell people which Tv to buy to give them what they
>need--or
>> > want. Do they get analog, or is EDTV good enough, or must it be HDTV.
>Does
>> > it have a built-in digital tuner, or does it require a set-top box? It's
>> > another situation where it's quite easy to make a poor cjoice unless one
>is
>> > a wise consumer.
>>
>> There's really no point in continuing this particular discussion, as we

Thank you!

>keep
>> saying the same thing over and over. Again, I think we agree on the basic
>fact
>> that people SHOULD do their homework. In a perfect world, everyone WOULD.
>In a
>> perfect world, cellular carriers wouldn't have to ***** everything out. In
>the
>> real world, it would be helpful if carriers did do a better job of laying
>> everything out for the customer.
>
>
>Agreed.

Thank you!

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Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
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as a member of Congress because they've been the longest years of my life."
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"David S" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:41:08 -0800, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
chose
> to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>
> >D.J. Osborn wrote:
> >
> >> They should have the desire to be concerned.
> >
> >I agree, actually, but the reality is that people don't want to be
hassled with
> >trying to figure out what underlying technology they need to use to be
able to
> >place calls.
> >
> >>>You don't have to worry about buying a
> >>>television or some other electronic device and have it work if you move
> >> from
> >>>one area to another.
> >>
> >> It's moving in that direction, though. Tha's why a wise person will do
his
> >> research before purchasing a TV.
> >
> >It is moving in that direction, but will be a lot less of an issue than
it is
> >with cell phones, as I already mentioned, since every service provider
(i.e.,
> >TV station) in the country MUST go digital.
>
> And all on the same standard.


Nope. There are multiple digital television standards in the US. DO your
research next time before you make silly statements.

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D.J. Osborn wrote:

> Nope. There are multiple digital television standards in the US. DO your
> research next time before you make silly statements.

How many non-analog TVs are sold in the US that aren't HDTV?



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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:36:13
GMT, David S <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:41:08 -0800, Steve Sobol <[email protected]> chose
>to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>>It is moving in that direction, but will be a lot less of an issue than it is
>>with cell phones, as I already mentioned, since every service provider (i.e.,
>>TV station) in the country MUST go digital.
>
>And all on the same standard.

It's by no means clear that this will actually happen as originally mandated.

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"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote:

> D.J. Osborn wrote:
>
> > Nope. There are multiple digital television standards in the US. DO your
> > research next time before you make silly statements.
>
> How many non-analog TVs are sold in the US that aren't HDTV?


First of all, there are very few true "non-analog TVs" sold in the US. There
are monitors, and there are set-top boxes. A few "digital TVs" have built-in
analog receivers, but very few have HDTV built-in.

If you look at the ads, then you'll see a number of monitors listed as
"EDTV." I don't know the percentage of "EDTV" as compared with true "HDTV."

Moreover, if you go to:

http://broadband.motorola.com/consum...Data_Sheet.pdf

then you'll see that there are eighteen (18!) different input resolutions
supported by the Motorola HDTV Off Air Receiver, with four (4) different
output resolutions available. Not that that's just the receiver; there are
large numbers of different types of monitors (display type and resolution)
available.

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