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  1. #1
    Jack Zwick
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    In quick response top the SBC purchase of AT&T, Verizon on 2/14 (early
    in the morning) has agreed to by MCI, with MCI not wanting to deal with
    Qwest. Qwest can't afford to buy Sprint; perhaps Sprint now will go
    after Qwest instead to help shield itself from Bell South.

    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050214/verizon_mci_4.html



    See More: Verizon to buy MCI, whither Qwest




  2. #2
    Isaiah Beard
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    Re: Verizon to buy MCI, whither Qwest

    Jack Zwick wrote:
    > In quick response top the SBC purchase of AT&T, Verizon on 2/14 (early
    > in the morning) has agreed to by MCI, with MCI not wanting to deal with
    > Qwest. Qwest can't afford to buy Sprint;


    Qwest couldn't even afford to keep its own wireless operations; hence
    the reason why Sprint bought out the infrastructure and worked with
    Qwest to operate as an MVNO.

    > perhaps Sprint now will go
    > after Qwest instead to help shield itself from Bell South.


    One merger at a time. Sprint is going to be plenty big once it finishes
    the Nextel deal.

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  3. #3
    Jack Zwick
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    Re: Verizon to buy MCI, whither Qwest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Jack Zwick wrote:
    > > In quick response top the SBC purchase of AT&T, Verizon on 2/14 (early
    > > in the morning) has agreed to by MCI, with MCI not wanting to deal with
    > > Qwest. Qwest can't afford to buy Sprint;

    >
    > Qwest couldn't even afford to keep its own wireless operations; hence
    > the reason why Sprint bought out the infrastructure and worked with
    > Qwest to operate as an MVNO.
    >
    > > perhaps Sprint now will go
    > > after Qwest instead to help shield itself from Bell South.

    >
    > One merger at a time. Sprint is going to be plenty big once it finishes
    > the Nextel deal.


    If Sprint stands still Bell South will gobble it up, with or without
    Nextel.



  4. #4
    Bob Smith
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    Re: Verizon to buy MCI, whither Qwest


    "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Jack Zwick wrote:
    > > > In quick response top the SBC purchase of AT&T, Verizon on 2/14 (early
    > > > in the morning) has agreed to by MCI, with MCI not wanting to deal

    with
    > > > Qwest. Qwest can't afford to buy Sprint;

    > >
    > > Qwest couldn't even afford to keep its own wireless operations; hence
    > > the reason why Sprint bought out the infrastructure and worked with
    > > Qwest to operate as an MVNO.
    > >
    > > > perhaps Sprint now will go
    > > > after Qwest instead to help shield itself from Bell South.

    > >
    > > One merger at a time. Sprint is going to be plenty big once it finishes
    > > the Nextel deal.

    >
    > If Sprint stands still Bell South will gobble it up, with or without
    > Nextel.


    I doubt it Jack, considering the comments from Bell South Management today -
    http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...&date=20050214

    In addition, considering that Sprint not only includes LD, they have SPCS.
    In the other deals, SBC bought ATT, the LD + company (no wireless), and
    Verizon bought MCI +company with no wireless.

    As Sprint is doing the deal with Nextel, knocking out one more competitor in
    the wireless field, I doubt seriously whether the FCC or the FTC would allow
    Bell South to take out one more cellular competitor.

    Bob

    Bob





  5. #5
    twister
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    Re: Verizon to buy MCI, whither Qwest

    On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:05:47 GMT, "Bob Smith"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> > Jack Zwick wrote:
    >> > > In quick response top the SBC purchase of AT&T, Verizon on 2/14 (early
    >> > > in the morning) has agreed to by MCI, with MCI not wanting to deal

    >with
    >> > > Qwest. Qwest can't afford to buy Sprint;
    >> >
    >> > Qwest couldn't even afford to keep its own wireless operations; hence
    >> > the reason why Sprint bought out the infrastructure and worked with
    >> > Qwest to operate as an MVNO.
    >> >
    >> > > perhaps Sprint now will go
    >> > > after Qwest instead to help shield itself from Bell South.
    >> >
    >> > One merger at a time. Sprint is going to be plenty big once it finishes
    >> > the Nextel deal.

    >>
    >> If Sprint stands still Bell South will gobble it up, with or without
    >> Nextel.

    >
    >I doubt it Jack, considering the comments from Bell South Management today -
    >http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...&date=20050214
    >
    >In addition, considering that Sprint not only includes LD, they have SPCS.
    >In the other deals, SBC bought ATT, the LD + company (no wireless), and
    >Verizon bought MCI +company with no wireless.
    >
    >As Sprint is doing the deal with Nextel, knocking out one more competitor in
    >the wireless field, I doubt seriously whether the FCC or the FTC would allow
    >Bell South to take out one more cellular competitor.
    >
    >Bob
    >
    >Bob
    >



    It's ironic that Verizon winds up buying the company that initially had
    AT&T split as a monopoly into 7 regional companies.

    Even though I don't consider VZW as a part of the Verizon landline company
    anymore since 48% of it is owned by Vodophone.





  6. #6
    Philip R. Mann
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    Re: Verizon to buy MCI, whither Qwest

    On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:50:51 -0500, twister wrote:

    >Even though I don't consider VZW as a part of the Verizon landline company
    >anymore since 48% of it is owned by Vodophone.


    Vodaphone purportedly has the right to require Verizon to purchase its interst in VZW within the next few years and reportedly wants to do so in order to purchase a system in the US more compatible with its own or to relieve some of its own corporate problems.





  7. #7
    Jack Zwick
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    Bell South on the prowl?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > Jack Zwick wrote:
    > > > > In quick response top the SBC purchase of AT&T, Verizon on 2/14 (early
    > > > > in the morning) has agreed to by MCI, with MCI not wanting to deal

    > with
    > > > > Qwest. Qwest can't afford to buy Sprint;
    > > >
    > > > Qwest couldn't even afford to keep its own wireless operations; hence
    > > > the reason why Sprint bought out the infrastructure and worked with
    > > > Qwest to operate as an MVNO.
    > > >
    > > > > perhaps Sprint now will go
    > > > > after Qwest instead to help shield itself from Bell South.
    > > >
    > > > One merger at a time. Sprint is going to be plenty big once it finishes
    > > > the Nextel deal.

    > >
    > > If Sprint stands still Bell South will gobble it up, with or without
    > > Nextel.

    >
    > I doubt it Jack, considering the comments from Bell South Management today -
    > http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...050214&feed=dj
    > i&date=20050214


    If you were about to buy a company, you'd keep it secret and issue a
    denial, lest the stock price be bid up, and it cost you Billions extra.

    So that press release should be ignored. The general rule of thumb is
    they're not trying to buy a company until they issue a denial that they
    are. We now have that denial.

    If they weren't interested in buying Sprint, there'd be no need to issue
    a denial.

    > In addition, considering that Sprint not only includes LD, they have SPCS.
    > In the other deals, SBC bought ATT, the LD + company (no wireless), and
    > Verizon bought MCI +company with no wireless.


    > As Sprint is doing the deal with Nextel, knocking out one more competitor in
    > the wireless field, I doubt seriously whether the FCC or the FTC would allow
    > Bell South to take out one more cellular competitor.




    And if BellSouth were to buy Sprint, they might easily keep the long
    distance, and spin off and/or sell the other pieces you mention; either
    cause thats what they want to do, or because the FTC or FCC might
    require such to allow the sale to go through.

    BellSouth needs to add LongDistance lines like Verizon and SBC just did
    or it will become an also ran like Qwest.



  8. #8
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Verizon to buy MCI, whither Qwest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Philip R. Mann" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:50:51 -0500, twister wrote:
    >
    > >Even though I don't consider VZW as a part of the Verizon landline company
    > >anymore since 48% of it is owned by Vodophone.

    >
    > Vodaphone purportedly has the right to require Verizon to purchase its
    > interst in VZW within the next few years and reportedly wants to do so in
    > order to purchase a system in the US more compatible with its own or to
    > relieve some of its own corporate problems.


    Vodaphone is between a rock and a hard place. They want their own outfit
    in the US, but they also

    a) Like the profits from VZW
    b) are a GSM outfit, so no one left for them to buy
    - Cingular now too big
    - AT&T Wirelss already bought out
    - T-Mobile owned by German Government and not for sale.



  9. #9
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: Bell South on the prowl?


    "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:


    <snipped>

    > > I doubt it Jack, considering the comments from Bell South Management

    today -
    > >

    http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...050214&feed=dj
    > > i&date=20050214

    >
    > If you were about to buy a company, you'd keep it secret and issue a
    > denial, lest the stock price be bid up, and it cost you Billions extra.
    >
    > So that press release should be ignored. The general rule of thumb is
    > they're not trying to buy a company until they issue a denial that they
    > are. We now have that denial.
    >
    > If they weren't interested in buying Sprint, there'd be no need to issue
    > a denial.


    That does not make logical sense, considering the text they did use in the
    PR they did issue. Plus, if we go by your reasoning, they then not only lied
    to their stockholders, then issued a false and misleading statement that the
    SEC would jump all over.

    >
    > > In addition, considering that Sprint not only includes LD, they have

    SPCS.
    > > In the other deals, SBC bought ATT, the LD + company (no wireless), and
    > > Verizon bought MCI +company with no wireless.

    >
    > > As Sprint is doing the deal with Nextel, knocking out one more

    competitor in
    > > the wireless field, I doubt seriously whether the FCC or the FTC would

    allow
    > > Bell South to take out one more cellular competitor.

    >
    >
    >
    > And if BellSouth were to buy Sprint, they might easily keep the long
    > distance, and spin off and/or sell the other pieces you mention; either
    > cause thats what they want to do, or because the FTC or FCC might
    > require such to allow the sale to go through.
    >
    > BellSouth needs to add LongDistance lines like Verizon and SBC just did
    > or it will become an also ran like Qwest.


    ::Knocking on wood here::, but IMHO, that never happen, considering that the
    wireless division is the future of the company, and the most valuable part
    of the company ...

    Bob






  10. #10
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Bell South on the prowl?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > <snipped>
    >
    > > > I doubt it Jack, considering the comments from Bell South Management

    > today -
    > > >

    > http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...050214&feed=dj
    > > > i&date=20050214

    > >
    > > If you were about to buy a company, you'd keep it secret and issue a
    > > denial, lest the stock price be bid up, and it cost you Billions extra.
    > >
    > > So that press release should be ignored. The general rule of thumb is
    > > they're not trying to buy a company until they issue a denial that they
    > > are. We now have that denial.
    > >
    > > If they weren't interested in buying Sprint, there'd be no need to issue
    > > a denial.

    >
    > That does not make logical sense, considering the text they did use in the
    > PR they did issue. Plus, if we go by your reasoning, they then not only lied
    > to their stockholders, then issued a false and misleading statement that the
    > SEC would jump all over.


    Corporations do that all the time. "We changed our mind" "Circumstances
    changed" "They made us an offer".



  11. #11
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Bell South on the prowl?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > <snipped>
    >
    > > > I doubt it Jack, considering the comments from Bell South Management

    > today -
    > > >

    > http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...050214&feed=dj
    > > > i&date=20050214

    > >
    > > If you were about to buy a company, you'd keep it secret and issue a
    > > denial, lest the stock price be bid up, and it cost you Billions extra.
    > >
    > > So that press release should be ignored. The general rule of thumb is
    > > they're not trying to buy a company until they issue a denial that they
    > > are. We now have that denial.
    > >
    > > If they weren't interested in buying Sprint, there'd be no need to issue
    > > a denial.

    >
    > That does not make logical sense, considering the text they did use in the
    > PR they did issue. Plus, if we go by your reasoning, they then not only lied
    > to their stockholders, then issued a false and misleading statement that the
    > SEC would jump all over.
    >
    > >
    > > > In addition, considering that Sprint not only includes LD, they have

    > SPCS.
    > > > In the other deals, SBC bought ATT, the LD + company (no wireless), and
    > > > Verizon bought MCI +company with no wireless.

    > >
    > > > As Sprint is doing the deal with Nextel, knocking out one more

    > competitor in
    > > > the wireless field, I doubt seriously whether the FCC or the FTC would

    > allow
    > > > Bell South to take out one more cellular competitor.

    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > And if BellSouth were to buy Sprint, they might easily keep the long
    > > distance, and spin off and/or sell the other pieces you mention; either
    > > cause thats what they want to do, or because the FTC or FCC might
    > > require such to allow the sale to go through.
    > >
    > > BellSouth needs to add LongDistance lines like Verizon and SBC just did
    > > or it will become an also ran like Qwest.

    >
    > ::Knocking on wood here::, but IMHO, that never happen, considering that the
    > wireless division is the future of the company, and the most valuable part
    > of the company ...


    What a terribly short memory Mr Smith has. From the day Cingular
    announced its purchase of ATTWS up until the day Sprint agreed to merge
    with Nextel, Sprint was saying EXACTLY what BellSouth is saying now. You
    find us a press release saying "Sprint is planning a major acquisition".
    Flat doesn't happen. Corporation don't telegraph their actions.

    =======

    Now I'm not saying BellSouth WILL buy Sprint, but it's logical for them
    to do so, and Sprint's best defense would be to buy Qwest.



  12. #12
    twister
    Guest

    Re: Verizon to buy MCI, whither Qwest

    On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:09:29 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Philip R. Mann" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:50:51 -0500, twister wrote:
    >>
    >> >Even though I don't consider VZW as a part of the Verizon landline company
    >> >anymore since 48% of it is owned by Vodophone.

    >>
    >> Vodaphone purportedly has the right to require Verizon to purchase its
    >> interst in VZW within the next few years and reportedly wants to do so in
    >> order to purchase a system in the US more compatible with its own or to
    >> relieve some of its own corporate problems.

    >
    >Vodaphone is between a rock and a hard place. They want their own outfit
    >in the US, but they also
    >



    They don't have to worry, Bush will give away anything they want. AMOCO oil
    went to BP. Waiting to see who is next.


    >a) Like the profits from VZW
    >b) are a GSM outfit, so no one left for them to buy
    > - Cingular now too big
    > - AT&T Wirelss already bought out
    > - T-Mobile owned by German Government and not for sale.


    Yea, it was funny to see the hypocrites that spurned Germany as they did
    France after our United Nations fiasco's, later to find out that their
    cellular service was owned by a German company. Then all of sudden you just
    heard France being dissed and not Germany. It seemed that the closer the
    cell phone got to Zeta's crouch their sales went up.





  13. #13
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: Verizon to buy MCI, whither Qwest

    > They don't have to worry, Bush will give away anything they want.


    That may be, but the simple fact is that Bush can't pull a GSM network
    out of his ass, the two remaining GSM network s(Cingular adn T-Mobile)
    are not for sale, whether you think Bush likes it or not.



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    Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.



  14. #14
    JohnF
    Guest

    Re: Verizon to buy MCI, whither Qwest

    What does Bush have to do with this? Or are you referring to someone other
    than the president who has some sort of influence over these companies?

    "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >> They don't have to worry, Bush will give away anything they want.

    >
    >
    > That may be, but the simple fact is that Bush can't pull a GSM network out
    > of his ass, the two remaining GSM network s(Cingular adn T-Mobile) are not
    > for sale, whether you think Bush likes it or not.
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
    > Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.






  15. #15
    John Richards
    Guest

    Re: Verizon to buy MCI, whither Qwest

    "JohnF" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > What does Bush have to do with this? Or are you referring to someone other
    > than the president who has some sort of influence over these companies?


    Bah, pay no attention. It's just the typical gratuitous anti-Bush
    remark you get nowadays from sore loser liberals nursing their wounds.

    --
    John Richards



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