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  1. #1
    Jack Zwick
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    We wont even address the price increases for Cell phone internet surfing
    and messaging by Cingular.


    Suppose you're a Husband and Wife and want to share 2 phones with 500 to
    700 monthly minutes.

    Cingular $59.98 for 450 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    Cingular $69.98 for 600 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    Cingular $79.98 for 900 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    (all Cingular plans over $39.99 have rollover)

    Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)

    SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
    @$75)
    (additional lines $10)

    T-Mobile $69.99 for 900 minutes (additional lines $10)


    And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
    Verizon is the clear price leader now.

    =================
    Time will tell. Will Cingular retreat from it's price increase?, or will
    the Cingular's price increase give cover for SprintPCS and Verizon to
    also raise prices?

    Didn't Cingular's shills assure us that their takeover of ATTWS wouldn't
    affect the competitvness of the Cellular Market? They were wrong.



    See More: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?




  2. #2
    Ski
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    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    I think you will find that Cingular for 59.99 has 9.99 for the additional
    phone.

    >
    >
    > Suppose you're a Husband and Wife and want to share 2 phones with 500

    to
    > 700 monthly minutes.
    >
    > Cingular $59.98 for 450 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    > Cingular $69.98 for 600 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    > Cingular $79.98 for 900 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > (all Cingular plans over $39.99 have rollover)
    >
    > Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    >
    > SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
    > @$75)
    > (additional lines $10)
    >
    > T-Mobile $69.99 for 900 minutes (additional lines $10)
    >
    >
    > And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
    > Verizon is the clear price leader now.
    >
    > =================
    > Time will tell. Will Cingular retreat from it's price increase?, or

    will
    > the Cingular's price increase give cover for SprintPCS and Verizon to
    > also raise prices?
    >
    > Didn't Cingular's shills assure us that their takeover of ATTWS

    wouldn't
    > affect the competitvness of the Cellular Market? They were wrong.
    >





  3. #3
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Ski <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I think you will find that Cingular for 59.99 has 9.99 for the additional
    > phone.
    >


    NOT ANY MORE. THANKS TO THE Feb 13 PRICE INCREASES.


    > >
    > >
    > > Suppose you're a Husband and Wife and want to share 2 phones with 500

    > to
    > > 700 monthly minutes.
    > >
    > > Cingular $59.98 for 450 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    > > Cingular $69.98 for 600 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    > > Cingular $79.98 for 900 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > > (all Cingular plans over $39.99 have rollover)
    > >
    > > Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > > Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > >
    > > SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
    > > @$75)
    > > (additional lines $10)
    > >
    > > T-Mobile $69.99 for 900 minutes (additional lines $10)
    > >
    > >
    > > And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
    > > Verizon is the clear price leader now.
    > >
    > > =================
    > > Time will tell. Will Cingular retreat from it's price increase?, or

    > will
    > > the Cingular's price increase give cover for SprintPCS and Verizon to
    > > also raise prices?
    > >
    > > Didn't Cingular's shills assure us that their takeover of ATTWS

    > wouldn't
    > > affect the competitvness of the Cellular Market? They were wrong.
    > >




  4. #4
    Ski
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Ski <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> I think you will find that Cingular for 59.99 has 9.99 for the
    >> additional phone.
    >>

    >
    > NOT ANY MORE. THANKS TO THE Feb 13 PRICE INCREASES.
    >
    > They are getting as expensive as Sprint
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >




  5. #5
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Ski @ 4.232.252.214 <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > Ski <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> I think you will find that Cingular for 59.99 has 9.99 for the
    > >> additional phone.
    > >>

    > >
    > > NOT ANY MORE. THANKS TO THE Feb 13 PRICE INCREASES.
    > >
    > >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >


    How juvenile to forge an extra sentence to make it look like it's from
    me:

    " They are getting as expensive as Sprint", is not what I posted.


    But indeed for some situations, the new rates do make rates
    more expensive for a new Cingular customer than SprintPCS.

    Cingular still charges more than SprintPCS for 7 PM nights, but my
    Rollover (for me) more than makes up for that, and I don't need
    to pay for 7 PM nights.

    I have many reasons to still prefer Cingular. Here are 14. YMMV

    A) I got my Cingular plan before the current increases.

    B) I have Rollover (currently over 1500 minutes banked),
    so I don't need to pay for 7 PM nights to try and decrease usage.

    C) I have Quality phones (a v600 and a T637) that don't overheat in use
    and pre-maturally die long before contract is up like plastic
    CDMA Sanyo phones do. After 8 months my Cingular phones
    look and act like new. Sanyo phones were failing after 3 months,
    but would pass sprintPCS "tests"
    C2) My Cingular phones have ample memory for ring tones and pictures.
    C3) Çomes time to upgrade my phone, I just move my SIM card,
    no activation grief, no problems with transferring phone book.
    C4) Having phones which are sold in the millions worldwide makes it
    much easier to get accessories, and not be subjected to
    outrageous accessory prices charged by Carrier.

    D) With 850 MHz GSM I have better indoor reception than 1900 MHz CDMA.

    E) With GSM I have better coverage in SE Texas.

    F) With GSM I have better voice quality than CDMA.

    G) I don't have L O N G hold times for Customer service, and I don't
    get hung up on or lied to by reps with Handle Time
    maximums to worry about.

    H) With Cingular I have relatives that are also on Cingular for
    free Mobile to Mobile, and free Mobile to Mobile is not an
    extra cost or sometime add-on.

    I) I kept my Mobile number when I ported to Cingular, and Cingular
    credited me for the 3 days it took SprintPCS to release the numbers.

    J) Should I go out of the country, I can still use my phone.

    K) Dropped calls are flat not an issue anymore.

    ==============



  6. #6
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    Jack Zwick wrote:

    > Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    >
    > SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
    > @$75)
    > (additional lines $10)


    > And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
    > Verizon is the clear price leader now.



    I suppose, IF you wanted to share 500 minutes ($59.99 + 9.99 + 9.99 =
    79.97). Yet for 3 cents more, Sprint will give you 800 minutes for the
    same three phones ($70 for two phones + $10 for an add-on = $80).

    *shrug* I guess if you really want to pinch pennies, yes Verizon is the
    cost leader. But I know that if I'm sharing minutes with three phones,
    I'll gladly pay the extre three cents for those extra minutes.


    > =================
    > Time will tell. Will Cingular retreat from it's price increase?, or will
    > the Cingular's price increase give cover for SprintPCS and Verizon to
    > also raise prices?


    As long as Cingular can boast about its "Allover Network" and have
    people believe the hype, they probably can. Will tht mean that Spritn
    and Verizon with follow suit? Not necessarily.

    > Didn't Cingular's shills assure us that their takeover of ATTWS wouldn't
    > affect the competitvness of the Cellular Market? They were wrong.


    I do disagree in that regard. Cingular never really was competitive in
    my book. And AT&T wireless, like its former parent company, was on its
    way out anyway.


    --
    E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
    Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.



  7. #7
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Jack Zwick wrote:
    >
    > > Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > > Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > >
    > > SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
    > > @$75)
    > > (additional lines $10)

    >
    > > And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
    > > Verizon is the clear price leader now.

    >
    >
    > I suppose, IF you wanted to share 500 minutes ($59.99 + 9.99 + 9.99 =
    > 79.97). Yet for 3 cents more, Sprint will give you 800 minutes for the
    > same three phones ($70 for two phones + $10 for an add-on = $80).




    Where did you learn math? Verizon would be $69.98 for three phones,
    SprintPCS $80.

    >
    > *shrug* I guess if you really want to pinch pennies, yes Verizon is the
    > cost leader. But I know that if I'm sharing minutes with three phones,
    > I'll gladly pay the extre three cents for those extra minutes.




  8. #8
    Tropical Haven
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?



    Jack Zwick wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Jack Zwick wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    >>>Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    >>>
    >>>SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
    >>> @$75)
    >>> (additional lines $10)

    >>
    >>>And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
    >>>Verizon is the clear price leader now.

    >>
    >>
    >>I suppose, IF you wanted to share 500 minutes ($59.99 + 9.99 + 9.99 =
    >>79.97). Yet for 3 cents more, Sprint will give you 800 minutes for the
    >>same three phones ($70 for two phones + $10 for an add-on = $80).

    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Where did you learn math? Verizon would be $69.98 for three phones,
    > SprintPCS $80.



    Calm down. It wasn't explained that Verizon Wireless's new family share
    plans come automatically with 2 phones, explaining the 9.99 discrepancy.


    >
    >>*shrug* I guess if you really want to pinch pennies, yes Verizon is the
    >>cost leader. But I know that if I'm sharing minutes with three phones,
    >>I'll gladly pay the extre three cents for those extra minutes.

    >





  9. #9
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Jack Zwick wrote:
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>Jack Zwick wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > >>>Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > >>>
    > >>>SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
    > >>> @$75)
    > >>> (additional lines $10)
    > >>
    > >>>And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
    > >>>Verizon is the clear price leader now.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>I suppose, IF you wanted to share 500 minutes ($59.99 + 9.99 + 9.99 =
    > >>79.97). Yet for 3 cents more, Sprint will give you 800 minutes for the
    > >>same three phones ($70 for two phones + $10 for an add-on = $80).

    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Where did you learn math? Verizon would be $69.98 for three phones,
    > > SprintPCS $80.

    >
    >
    > Calm down. It wasn't explained that Verizon Wireless's new family share
    > plans come automatically with 2 phones, explaining the 9.99 discrepancy.



    All the plan prices listed by me were for two phones, if he hadn't
    snipped my post that would be obvious to you.


    Originally the post read:

    Suppose you're a Husband and Wife and want to share 2 phones with 500 to
    700 monthly minutes.

    Cingular $59.98 for 450 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    Cingular $69.98 for 600 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    Cingular $79.98 for 900 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    (all Cingular plans over $39.99 have rollover)

    Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)

    SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
    @$75)
    (additional lines $10)

    T-Mobile $69.99 for 900 minutes (additional lines $10)


    And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
    Verizon is the clear price leader now.

    >
    >
    > >
    > >>*shrug* I guess if you really want to pinch pennies, yes Verizon is the
    > >>cost leader. But I know that if I'm sharing minutes with three phones,
    > >>I'll gladly pay the extre three cents for those extra minutes.

    > >




  10. #10
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    Jack Zwick wrote:
    > We wont even address the price increases for Cell phone internet surfing
    > and messaging by Cingular.


    Cool. I saw this coming... Now he's found something to whine about at Cingular.

    Let's see... Cingular, ATTWS, Sprint. Next he'll go to T-Mobile, then Verizon
    and maybe Alltel, and will run out of carriers to complain about after using
    each one of those three carriers (I'm assuming Alltel has coverage in his part
    of Texas).

    If I was a betting man, I'd lay good odds on this happening.

    --
    JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [email protected] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

    "In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
    Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
    amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)



  11. #11
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    In article <rdiQd.3620$N%[email protected]>, C M <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Jack Zwick wrote:
    > > We wont even address the price increases for Cell phone internet surfing
    > > and messaging by Cingular.
    > >
    > >
    > > Suppose you're a Husband and Wife and want to share 2 phones with 500 to
    > > 700 monthly minutes.
    > >
    > > Cingular $59.98 for 450 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    > > Cingular $69.98 for 600 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    > > Cingular $79.98 for 900 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > > (all Cingular plans over $39.99 have rollover)
    > >
    > > Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > > Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > >
    > > SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
    > > @$75)
    > > (additional lines $10)
    > >
    > > T-Mobile $69.99 for 900 minutes (additional lines $10)
    > >
    > >
    > > And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
    > > Verizon is the clear price leader now.
    > >

    >
    > Jack,
    > Are the price listed for the plans all include 2 lines e.g. the
    > SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes includes 2 lines, with additional lines at
    > $9.99?
    > We have 2 phones now each with the $30 300 minutes plan. Thinking of
    > adding a phone for our kid. So we need 3 lines. Any suggestions? Or
    > do you think retention can offer better options/plans since our
    > individual plans are expiring.


    I haven't kept up with what SprintPCS retention is doing. Sorry.

    I assume a lot will depend on:

    1. How many minutes total you'll need when adding your child.
    2. How cost sensitive you are.
    3. Whether you want or need to stay with Sprint.
    4. How good other carriers are where you live.
    5. Whether Sprint retention would do good by you.



  12. #12
    C M
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    Jack Zwick wrote:
    > We wont even address the price increases for Cell phone internet surfing
    > and messaging by Cingular.
    >
    >
    > Suppose you're a Husband and Wife and want to share 2 phones with 500 to
    > 700 monthly minutes.
    >
    > Cingular $59.98 for 450 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    > Cingular $69.98 for 600 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
    > Cingular $79.98 for 900 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > (all Cingular plans over $39.99 have rollover)
    >
    > Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    > Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
    >
    > SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
    > @$75)
    > (additional lines $10)
    >
    > T-Mobile $69.99 for 900 minutes (additional lines $10)
    >
    >
    > And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
    > Verizon is the clear price leader now.
    >
    > =================
    > Time will tell. Will Cingular retreat from it's price increase?, or will
    > the Cingular's price increase give cover for SprintPCS and Verizon to
    > also raise prices?
    >
    > Didn't Cingular's shills assure us that their takeover of ATTWS wouldn't
    > affect the competitvness of the Cellular Market? They were wrong.



    Jack,
    Are the price listed for the plans all include 2 lines e.g. the
    SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes includes 2 lines, with additional lines at
    $9.99?
    We have 2 phones now each with the $30 300 minutes plan. Thinking of
    adding a phone for our kid. So we need 3 lines. Any suggestions? Or
    do you think retention can offer better options/plans since our
    individual plans are expiring.



  13. #13
    Quick
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    Steve Sobol wrote:
    > Jack Zwick wrote:
    >> We wont even address the price increases for Cell phone
    >> internet surfing and messaging by Cingular.

    >
    > Cool. I saw this coming... Now he's found something to
    > whine about at Cingular.
    >
    > Let's see... Cingular, ATTWS, Sprint. Next he'll go to
    > T-Mobile, then Verizon and maybe Alltel, and will run out
    > of carriers to complain about after using each one of
    > those three carriers (I'm assuming Alltel has coverage in
    > his part of Texas).


    Heh, at least he's rational... I'd trade our (VZW) resident
    complainer for him any day. -

    -Quick





  14. #14
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    Quick wrote:

    > Heh, at least he's rational... I'd trade our (VZW) resident
    > complainer for him any day. -


    No, you wouldn't want to. He misrepresents everything that is said to him,
    occasionally telling flat-out lies, and he likes to morph. Although maybe he
    doesn't like to morph anymore... but he used to all the time in the spcs
    newsgroup to evade people's killfiles. I'm sure he will reply to this with some
    stupid retort about Sprint that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand,
    because he can't (well, probably *won't*) deny that he does what I just claimed
    he does. Or maybe he'll launch another personal attack against me.

    Oh yeah, he swore up and down when he left Sprint for Cingular that he would
    NEVER post in the Sprint newsgroup again. Several people caught him in *that* lie.

    --
    JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [email protected] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

    "In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
    Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
    amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)



  15. #15
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Compare prices. Cingular now most expensive plans?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Quick" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Steve Sobol wrote:
    > > Jack Zwick wrote:
    > >> We wont even address the price increases for Cell phone
    > >> internet surfing and messaging by Cingular.

    > >
    > > Cool. I saw this coming... Now he's found something to
    > > whine about at Cingular.
    > >
    > > Let's see... Cingular, ATTWS, Sprint. Next he'll go to
    > > T-Mobile, then Verizon and maybe Alltel, and will run out
    > > of carriers to complain about after using each one of
    > > those three carriers (I'm assuming Alltel has coverage in
    > > his part of Texas).

    >
    > Heh, at least he's rational... I'd trade our (VZW) resident
    > complainer for him any day. -


    Thank you Quick.

    I guess "I love Ohio" Sobol didn't see the post with 14 reasons why I
    like Cingular as opposed to Sprint. To remind him:

    ==========


    I have many reasons to still prefer Cingular. Here are 14. YMMV

    A) I got my Cingular plan before the current increases.

    B) I have Rollover (currently over 1500 minutes banked),
    * * so I don't need to pay for 7 PM nights to try and decrease usage.

    C) I have Quality phones (a v600 and a T637) that don't overheat in use
    * * *and pre-maturally die long before contract is up like plastic
    * * * CDMA Sanyo phones do. After 8 months my Cingular phones
    * * * look and act like new. Sanyo phones were failing after 3 months,
    * * * but would pass sprintPCS "tests"
    C2) My Cingular phones have ample memory for ring tones and pictures.
    C3) omes time to upgrade my phone, I just move my SIM card,
    * * *no activation grief, no problems with transferring phone book.
    C4) Having phones which are sold in the millions worldwide makes it
    * * *much easier to get accessories, and not be subjected to
    * * * outrageous accessory prices charged by Carrier.

    D) With 850 MHz GSM I have better indoor reception than 1900 MHz CDMA.

    E) With GSM I have better coverage in SE Texas.

    F) With GSM I have better voice quality than CDMA.

    G) I don't have L O N G hold times for Customer service, and I don't
    * * get hung up on or lied to by reps with Handle Time
    * * maximums to worry about.

    H) With Cingular I have relatives that are also on Cingular for
    * * free Mobile to Mobile, and free Mobile to Mobile is not an
    * * extra cost or sometime add-on.

    I) I kept my Mobile number when I ported to Cingular, and Cingular
    credited me for the 3 days it took SprintPCS to release the numbers.

    J) Should I go out of the country, I can still use my phone.

    K) Dropped calls are flat not an issue anymore.



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