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  1. #31
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    Steven M. Scharf wrote:

    > What happens once AMPS is turned off?


    As I mentioned, my home in Lake County had a 1900 MHz Sprint PCS transmitter
    literally right around the corner. Sprint and Alltel both service Greater
    Cleveland, so there would be absolutely NO problem having the phone acquire
    a CDMA signal.

    Same in Larry's area, serviced by VZW, Sprint and Alltel.

    Same in the area where I now live, serviced by VZW and Sprint.

    Etc., etc.


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  2. #32
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    We have three CDMA carriers here too. Two PCS and one cellular.
    Sprint PCS, verizon, and uscellular. The other cellular carrier is gsm.



  3. #33
    Gordy
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    This is just spam.



  4. #34
    Argon15
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No moreroaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    This is what happens when your #1. You think you can do whatever the ****
    you want and your customers are just suppose to take it. I liken Verizon to
    Microsoft if their attitude and arrogance. Not to mention the fact that I
    can't stand that moronic Can You Hear Me Know asshole in those stupid
    commercials.



    On 5/24/05 12:31 PM, in article
    [email protected], "Steven M. Scharf"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at
    > extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
    >
    > The original America's Choice calling plan from Verizon was a great plan. It
    > included a lot of off-network roaming, at no extra charge, in areas where
    > Verizon did not have a network. Where Verizon didn't have a roaming
    > agreement, your phone could still be used, but at extra cost.
    >
    > Verizon has been worsening America's Choice almost from its inception. They
    > began by abandoning roaming agreements, so that there was a lot less
    > included roaming, and a lot more extra-cost roaming. When this was disclosed
    > by people who were analyzing their PRLs (preferred roaming lists), they
    > forced these people to take this information off the web.
    >
    > Now they have changed the plan again, and new subscribers will have no
    > roaming at all, even at an extra charge. This means that you can only use
    > the phone in areas where Verizon has service (except for 911 calls). If
    > you're out of Verizon's coverage area, your phone is a paperweight except
    > for 911 access.
    >
    > Driving from the San Francisco Bay Area to Yosemite? Your phone will stop
    > working completely on the outskirts of Oakdale, where Golden State Cellular
    > is the carrier, and you'll have no coverage inside the park. Driving up the
    > California Coast to Mendocino? No coverage. Alaska? No coverage. The list
    > goes on and on.
    >
    > To complete the service reduction, Verizon no longer offers the National
    > Single Rate plan. According to their sales people, they have NO plans that
    > offer off-network roaming (though their web site states that their Digital
    > Choice plan (local plan), and their InPulse prepaid plan, allow roaming at
    > 69¢ per minute).
    >
    > Verizon's web site is intentionally misleading. It states, for America's
    > Choice, "Domestic Roaming (No roaming charges) (Coverage not available in
    > all areas)," without stating that what they really mean is that you cannot
    > actually roam onto any other carrier's network.
    >
    > Previous America's Choice subscribers will still be able to roam off
    > Verizon, though there will be less and less included roaming, as Verizon
    > abandons roaming agreements.
    >
    >





  5. #35
    Bill Pittman
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    In article <BEBEFB99.7A4D%bull****@youass.com>,
    Argon15 <bull****@youass.com> wrote:

    > This is what happens when your #1. You think you can do whatever the ****
    > you want and your customers are just suppose to take it. I liken Verizon to
    > Microsoft if their attitude and arrogance. Not to mention the fact that I
    > can't stand that moronic Can You Hear Me Know asshole in those stupid
    > commercials.


    No, I can't hear you know. What does it sound like for you to know?



  6. #36
    Steven M. Scharf
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No moreroaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.


    "Argon15" <bull****@youass.com> wrote in message
    news:BEBEFB99.7A4D%bull****@youass.com...
    > This is what happens when your #1. You think you can do whatever the ****
    > you want and your customers are just suppose to take it. I liken Verizon

    to
    > Microsoft if their attitude and arrogance. Not to mention the fact that I
    > can't stand that moronic Can You Hear Me Know asshole in those stupid
    > commercials.


    Verizon is no longer the largest carrier in terms of customers. However they
    have gotten a bit cocky after all the surveys by Consumer Reports, and other
    publications, rating them much better than the other carriers in terms of
    coverage. Most people will not realize that when they see "No Service" that
    there actually is service available--just not to them.





  7. #37
    Pegleg
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No moreroaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    On Sun, 29 May 2005 15:44:31 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Verizon is no longer the largest carrier in terms of customers. However they
    >have gotten a bit cocky after all the surveys by Consumer Reports, and other
    >publications, rating them much better than the other carriers in terms of
    >coverage. Most people will not realize that when they see "No Service" that
    >there actually is service available--just not to them.


    How will this affect customers that have been on the America's Choice
    Plan for years...will their options be degraded?


    Pegleg
    U.S. Navy Retired
    Support Our Troops



  8. #38
    Rich
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No moreroaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    Pegleg wrote:
    > On Sun, 29 May 2005 15:44:31 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Verizon is no longer the largest carrier in terms of customers. However they
    >>have gotten a bit cocky after all the surveys by Consumer Reports, and other
    >>publications, rating them much better than the other carriers in terms of
    >>coverage. Most people will not realize that when they see "No Service" that
    >>there actually is service available--just not to them.

    >
    > How will this affect customers that have been on the America's Choice
    > Plan for years...will their options be degraded?


    If you stay on your current plan you won't be affected by this change
    (just by whatever changes are made to the existing orignal AC plan, like
    coverage increases).

    If you renew your contract, you'll have to switch to the new plan.

    > Pegleg
    > U.S. Navy Retired
    > Support Our Troops


    Thank you for your service, and I do support our troops!



  9. #39
    Steven M. Scharf
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No moreroaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    Rich wrote:

    > If you stay on your current plan you won't be affected by this change
    > (just by whatever changes are made to the existing orignal AC plan, like
    > coverage increases).
    >
    > If you renew your contract, you'll have to switch to the new plan.


    No, this is not true. If you renew your contract, i.e. to get a discount on
    a new handset, you can keep your existing plan. You can also increase or
    decrease your minutes under your existing plan. If you switch to a totally
    different plan, such as from an individual plan to a family plan, then you
    cannot keep your old plan.

    Personally, even if AC2 allowed off-network roaming I would not change plans
    because I don't want to lose my 8:01 p.m. off-peak start time.





  10. #40
    David S
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    On Sat, 28 May 2005 10:39:32 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >Steven M. Scharf wrote:
    >
    >> What happens once AMPS is turned off?

    >
    >As I mentioned, my home in Lake County had a 1900 MHz Sprint PCS transmitter
    >literally right around the corner. Sprint and Alltel both service Greater
    >Cleveland, so there would be absolutely NO problem having the phone acquire
    >a CDMA signal.
    >
    >Same in Larry's area, serviced by VZW, Sprint and Alltel.
    >
    >Same in the area where I now live, serviced by VZW and Sprint.
    >
    >Etc., etc.


    So if such a strong Sprint signal was present, why didn't your phone grab
    it for your 911 call instead of some AMPS signal or other? I don't want to
    be seen as agreeing with Larry, but this is a legitimate question.

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  11. #41
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    David S wrote:

    > So if such a strong Sprint signal was present, why didn't your phone grab
    > it for your 911 call instead of some AMPS signal or other? I don't want to
    > be seen as agreeing with Larry, but this is a legitimate question.


    It is, and I don't know the answer. My guess is that the phone, a tri-mode
    Nokia 3285, searched the 800 MHz band first. AMPS, Verizon CDMA and Alltel
    CDMA in Cleveland all run primarily on 800 MHz (though VZW and Alltel may
    have added 1900MHz spectrum recently). Sprint has a much stronger signal,
    but runs at 1900 MHz.


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  12. #42
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.


    > It is, and I don't know the answer. My guess is that the phone, a
    > tri-mode Nokia 3285, searched the 800 MHz band first. AMPS, Verizon CDMA
    > and Alltel CDMA in Cleveland all run primarily on 800 MHz (though VZW
    > and Alltel may have added 1900MHz spectrum recently). Sprint has a much
    > stronger signal, but runs at 1900 MHz.


    Bah. I meant "Sprint has a much stronger signal in the neighborhood where I
    made the 911 call." Sprint is NOT universally stronger all over the area,
    though there are some parts of Northeast Ohio where it clearly is better
    than the other CDMA carriers.


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    --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"



  13. #43
    Quick
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    Steve Sobol wrote:
    > David S wrote:
    >
    >> So if such a strong Sprint signal was present, why
    >> didn't your phone grab it for your 911 call instead of
    >> some AMPS signal or other? I don't want to be seen as
    >> agreeing with Larry, but this is a legitimate question.

    >
    > It is, and I don't know the answer. My guess is that the
    > phone, a tri-mode Nokia 3285, searched the 800 MHz band
    > first. AMPS, Verizon CDMA and Alltel CDMA in Cleveland
    > all run primarily on 800 MHz (though VZW and Alltel may
    > have added 1900MHz spectrum recently). Sprint has a much
    > stronger signal, but runs at 1900 MHz.


    What difference does it make? For 911 you simply want to
    grab *any* usable signal and make the call. Why bother
    scanning, comparing, and selecting the strongest signal?
    Set some floor criterium for a "good" signal and grab the
    first one that makes the cut.

    -Quick





  14. #44
    Steven M. Scharf
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    "Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:1117650951.193245@sj-nntpcache-3...

    > What difference does it make? For 911 you simply want to
    > grab *any* usable signal and make the call. Why bother
    > scanning, comparing, and selecting the strongest signal?
    > Set some floor criterium for a "good" signal and grab the
    > first one that makes the cut.


    I wonder what would have happened if the phone did not have AMPS capability.
    A bunch of Verizon phones no longer have AMPS, and most phone purchasers
    have no idea in hell that this is a bad thing! And of course almost no GSM
    phones have AMPS capability, only two that I know of, not counting the Nokia
    NRM-1 AMPS module for their 5190 and 6190 GSM phones
    (http://www.cell-phone-accessories.com/nrm1nokplusm.html)





  15. #45
    Quick
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    Steven M. Scharf wrote:
    > "Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:1117650951.193245@sj-nntpcache-3...
    >
    >> What difference does it make? For 911 you simply want to
    >> grab *any* usable signal and make the call. Why bother
    >> scanning, comparing, and selecting the strongest signal?
    >> Set some floor criterium for a "good" signal and grab the
    >> first one that makes the cut.

    >
    > I wonder what would have happened if the phone did not
    > have AMPS capability. A bunch of Verizon phones no longer
    > have AMPS, and most phone purchasers have no idea in hell
    > that this is a bad thing! And of course almost no GSM
    > phones have AMPS capability, only two that I know of, not
    > counting the Nokia NRM-1 AMPS module for their 5190 and
    > 6190 GSM phones


    It would have grabbed the first usable digital signal...DUH!

    -Quick





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