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- 05-28-2005, 11:39 AM #31Steve SobolGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
Steven M. Scharf wrote:
> What happens once AMPS is turned off?
As I mentioned, my home in Lake County had a 1900 MHz Sprint PCS transmitter
literally right around the corner. Sprint and Alltel both service Greater
Cleveland, so there would be absolutely NO problem having the phone acquire
a CDMA signal.
Same in Larry's area, serviced by VZW, Sprint and Alltel.
Same in the area where I now live, serviced by VZW and Sprint.
Etc., etc.
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- 05-28-2005, 11:27 PM #32Jerome ZelinskeGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
We have three CDMA carriers here too. Two PCS and one cellular.
Sprint PCS, verizon, and uscellular. The other cellular carrier is gsm.
- 05-29-2005, 12:27 AM #33GordyGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
This is just spam.
- 05-29-2005, 02:54 AM #34Argon15Guest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No moreroaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
This is what happens when your #1. You think you can do whatever the ****
you want and your customers are just suppose to take it. I liken Verizon to
Microsoft if their attitude and arrogance. Not to mention the fact that I
can't stand that moronic Can You Hear Me Know asshole in those stupid
commercials.
On 5/24/05 12:31 PM, in article
[email protected], "Steven M. Scharf"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at
> extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
>
> The original America's Choice calling plan from Verizon was a great plan. It
> included a lot of off-network roaming, at no extra charge, in areas where
> Verizon did not have a network. Where Verizon didn't have a roaming
> agreement, your phone could still be used, but at extra cost.
>
> Verizon has been worsening America's Choice almost from its inception. They
> began by abandoning roaming agreements, so that there was a lot less
> included roaming, and a lot more extra-cost roaming. When this was disclosed
> by people who were analyzing their PRLs (preferred roaming lists), they
> forced these people to take this information off the web.
>
> Now they have changed the plan again, and new subscribers will have no
> roaming at all, even at an extra charge. This means that you can only use
> the phone in areas where Verizon has service (except for 911 calls). If
> you're out of Verizon's coverage area, your phone is a paperweight except
> for 911 access.
>
> Driving from the San Francisco Bay Area to Yosemite? Your phone will stop
> working completely on the outskirts of Oakdale, where Golden State Cellular
> is the carrier, and you'll have no coverage inside the park. Driving up the
> California Coast to Mendocino? No coverage. Alaska? No coverage. The list
> goes on and on.
>
> To complete the service reduction, Verizon no longer offers the National
> Single Rate plan. According to their sales people, they have NO plans that
> offer off-network roaming (though their web site states that their Digital
> Choice plan (local plan), and their InPulse prepaid plan, allow roaming at
> 69¢ per minute).
>
> Verizon's web site is intentionally misleading. It states, for America's
> Choice, "Domestic Roaming (No roaming charges) (Coverage not available in
> all areas)," without stating that what they really mean is that you cannot
> actually roam onto any other carrier's network.
>
> Previous America's Choice subscribers will still be able to roam off
> Verizon, though there will be less and less included roaming, as Verizon
> abandons roaming agreements.
>
>
- 05-29-2005, 05:53 AM #35Bill PittmanGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
In article <BEBEFB99.7A4D%bull****@youass.com>,
Argon15 <bull****@youass.com> wrote:
> This is what happens when your #1. You think you can do whatever the ****
> you want and your customers are just suppose to take it. I liken Verizon to
> Microsoft if their attitude and arrogance. Not to mention the fact that I
> can't stand that moronic Can You Hear Me Know asshole in those stupid
> commercials.
No, I can't hear you know. What does it sound like for you to know?
- 05-29-2005, 09:44 AM #36Steven M. ScharfGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No moreroaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
"Argon15" <bull****@youass.com> wrote in message
news:BEBEFB99.7A4D%bull****@youass.com...
> This is what happens when your #1. You think you can do whatever the ****
> you want and your customers are just suppose to take it. I liken Verizon
to
> Microsoft if their attitude and arrogance. Not to mention the fact that I
> can't stand that moronic Can You Hear Me Know asshole in those stupid
> commercials.
Verizon is no longer the largest carrier in terms of customers. However they
have gotten a bit cocky after all the surveys by Consumer Reports, and other
publications, rating them much better than the other carriers in terms of
coverage. Most people will not realize that when they see "No Service" that
there actually is service available--just not to them.
- 05-29-2005, 02:29 PM #37PeglegGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No moreroaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
On Sun, 29 May 2005 15:44:31 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Verizon is no longer the largest carrier in terms of customers. However they
>have gotten a bit cocky after all the surveys by Consumer Reports, and other
>publications, rating them much better than the other carriers in terms of
>coverage. Most people will not realize that when they see "No Service" that
>there actually is service available--just not to them.
How will this affect customers that have been on the America's Choice
Plan for years...will their options be degraded?
Pegleg
U.S. Navy Retired
Support Our Troops
- 05-29-2005, 03:07 PM #38RichGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No moreroaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
Pegleg wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2005 15:44:31 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Verizon is no longer the largest carrier in terms of customers. However they
>>have gotten a bit cocky after all the surveys by Consumer Reports, and other
>>publications, rating them much better than the other carriers in terms of
>>coverage. Most people will not realize that when they see "No Service" that
>>there actually is service available--just not to them.
>
> How will this affect customers that have been on the America's Choice
> Plan for years...will their options be degraded?
If you stay on your current plan you won't be affected by this change
(just by whatever changes are made to the existing orignal AC plan, like
coverage increases).
If you renew your contract, you'll have to switch to the new plan.
> Pegleg
> U.S. Navy Retired
> Support Our Troops
Thank you for your service, and I do support our troops!
- 05-29-2005, 09:11 PM #39Steven M. ScharfGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No moreroaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
Rich wrote:
> If you stay on your current plan you won't be affected by this change
> (just by whatever changes are made to the existing orignal AC plan, like
> coverage increases).
>
> If you renew your contract, you'll have to switch to the new plan.
No, this is not true. If you renew your contract, i.e. to get a discount on
a new handset, you can keep your existing plan. You can also increase or
decrease your minutes under your existing plan. If you switch to a totally
different plan, such as from an individual plan to a family plan, then you
cannot keep your old plan.
Personally, even if AC2 allowed off-network roaming I would not change plans
because I don't want to lose my 8:01 p.m. off-peak start time.
- 06-01-2005, 08:26 AM #40David SGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
On Sat, 28 May 2005 10:39:32 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]> chose
to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>Steven M. Scharf wrote:
>
>> What happens once AMPS is turned off?
>
>As I mentioned, my home in Lake County had a 1900 MHz Sprint PCS transmitter
>literally right around the corner. Sprint and Alltel both service Greater
>Cleveland, so there would be absolutely NO problem having the phone acquire
>a CDMA signal.
>
>Same in Larry's area, serviced by VZW, Sprint and Alltel.
>
>Same in the area where I now live, serviced by VZW and Sprint.
>
>Etc., etc.
So if such a strong Sprint signal was present, why didn't your phone grab
it for your 911 call instead of some AMPS signal or other? I don't want to
be seen as agreeing with Larry, but this is a legitimate question.
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- 06-01-2005, 12:20 PM #41Steve SobolGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
David S wrote:
> So if such a strong Sprint signal was present, why didn't your phone grab
> it for your 911 call instead of some AMPS signal or other? I don't want to
> be seen as agreeing with Larry, but this is a legitimate question.
It is, and I don't know the answer. My guess is that the phone, a tri-mode
Nokia 3285, searched the 800 MHz band first. AMPS, Verizon CDMA and Alltel
CDMA in Cleveland all run primarily on 800 MHz (though VZW and Alltel may
have added 1900MHz spectrum recently). Sprint has a much stronger signal,
but runs at 1900 MHz.
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- 06-01-2005, 12:22 PM #42Steve SobolGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
> It is, and I don't know the answer. My guess is that the phone, a
> tri-mode Nokia 3285, searched the 800 MHz band first. AMPS, Verizon CDMA
> and Alltel CDMA in Cleveland all run primarily on 800 MHz (though VZW
> and Alltel may have added 1900MHz spectrum recently). Sprint has a much
> stronger signal, but runs at 1900 MHz.
Bah. I meant "Sprint has a much stronger signal in the neighborhood where I
made the 911 call." Sprint is NOT universally stronger all over the area,
though there are some parts of Northeast Ohio where it clearly is better
than the other CDMA carriers.
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- 06-01-2005, 12:29 PM #43QuickGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
Steve Sobol wrote:
> David S wrote:
>
>> So if such a strong Sprint signal was present, why
>> didn't your phone grab it for your 911 call instead of
>> some AMPS signal or other? I don't want to be seen as
>> agreeing with Larry, but this is a legitimate question.
>
> It is, and I don't know the answer. My guess is that the
> phone, a tri-mode Nokia 3285, searched the 800 MHz band
> first. AMPS, Verizon CDMA and Alltel CDMA in Cleveland
> all run primarily on 800 MHz (though VZW and Alltel may
> have added 1900MHz spectrum recently). Sprint has a much
> stronger signal, but runs at 1900 MHz.
What difference does it make? For 911 you simply want to
grab *any* usable signal and make the call. Why bother
scanning, comparing, and selecting the strongest signal?
Set some floor criterium for a "good" signal and grab the
first one that makes the cut.
-Quick
- 06-01-2005, 12:51 PM #44Steven M. ScharfGuest
Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.
"Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1117650951.193245@sj-nntpcache-3...
> What difference does it make? For 911 you simply want to
> grab *any* usable signal and make the call. Why bother
> scanning, comparing, and selecting the strongest signal?
> Set some floor criterium for a "good" signal and grab the
> first one that makes the cut.
I wonder what would have happened if the phone did not have AMPS capability.
A bunch of Verizon phones no longer have AMPS, and most phone purchasers
have no idea in hell that this is a bad thing! And of course almost no GSM
phones have AMPS capability, only two that I know of, not counting the Nokia
NRM-1 AMPS module for their 5190 and 6190 GSM phones
(http://www.cell-phone-accessories.com/nrm1nokplusm.html)
- 06-01-2005, 01:13 PM #45QuickGuest
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Steven M. Scharf wrote:
> "Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1117650951.193245@sj-nntpcache-3...
>
>> What difference does it make? For 911 you simply want to
>> grab *any* usable signal and make the call. Why bother
>> scanning, comparing, and selecting the strongest signal?
>> Set some floor criterium for a "good" signal and grab the
>> first one that makes the cut.
>
> I wonder what would have happened if the phone did not
> have AMPS capability. A bunch of Verizon phones no longer
> have AMPS, and most phone purchasers have no idea in hell
> that this is a bad thing! And of course almost no GSM
> phones have AMPS capability, only two that I know of, not
> counting the Nokia NRM-1 AMPS module for their 5190 and
> 6190 GSM phones
It would have grabbed the first usable digital signal...DUH!
-Quick
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