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  1. #46
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    Quick wrote:

    > What difference does it make? For 911 you simply want to
    > grab *any* usable signal and make the call. Why bother
    > scanning, comparing, and selecting the strongest signal?


    Who said anything about comparing? Are you figuring the phone tries to grab
    AMPS/800, CDMA/800 and CDMA/1900 all at once? I'm not; I'm figuring it looks
    at each in some order and grabs the first decent signal it can find.


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  2. #47
    Quick
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    Steve Sobol wrote:
    > Quick wrote:
    >
    >> What difference does it make? For 911 you simply want to
    >> grab *any* usable signal and make the call. Why bother
    >> scanning, comparing, and selecting the strongest signal?

    >
    > Who said anything about comparing? Are you figuring the
    > phone tries to grab AMPS/800, CDMA/800 and CDMA/1900 all
    > at once? I'm not; I'm figuring it looks at each in some
    > order and grabs the first decent signal it can find.


    Exactly. I thought there was concern that it grabbed the
    AMPS signal instead of the (assumably) very strong Sprint
    signal. I was saying "so what"

    ....and then there was the alarmist concern of "what if it
    was a digital only phone"...

    -Quick





  3. #48
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    Quick wrote:

    > Exactly. I thought there was concern that it grabbed the
    > AMPS signal instead of the (assumably) very strong Sprint
    > signal. I was saying "so what"
    >
    > ...and then there was the alarmist concern of "what if it
    > was a digital only phone"...


    Without knowledge of exactly how the phone searches for signals in emergency
    mode (that's what Nokia calls it), worrying about that kind of thing is
    pointless...

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  4. #49
    Larry W4CSC
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    David S <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > So if such a strong Sprint signal was present, why didn't your phone
    > grab it for your 911 call instead of some AMPS signal or other? I
    > don't want to be seen as agreeing with Larry, but this is a legitimate
    > question.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry


    Whoa! Recorder running!....(c;




  5. #50
    Larry W4CSC
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > I wonder what would have happened if the phone did not have AMPS
    > capability. A bunch of Verizon phones no longer have AMPS, and most
    > phone purchasers have no idea in hell that this is a bad thing! And of
    > course almost no GSM phones have AMPS capability, only two that I know
    > of, not counting the Nokia NRM-1 AMPS module for their 5190 and 6190
    > GSM phones (http://www.cell-phone-accessories.com/nrm1nokplusm.html)
    >


    3W bagphones with cigarette lighter plugs instead of dead batteries are 99
    cents in thrift shops across the country. Drop one in the trunk and forget
    buying it service. Bypasses all this PRL nonsense and connects with POWER
    to whatever it can hear for that 911 call for the ambulance to save the
    kids.

    There's one in all my vehicles. I got 8 spares...(c;




  6. #51
    Larry W4CSC
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > I'm figuring it looks
    > at each in some order and grabs the first decent signal it can find.
    >
    >


    Didn't "look" for anything in WalMart.....BEEP - NO SERVICE

    If you step outside, you can see the SPCS tower from the front door. The
    Alltel tower is behind some trees with AMPS and CDMA on "B" cellular 800.

    No excuses....this is dangerous and needs to be STOPPED.




  7. #52
    CharlesH
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming,even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.

    David S wrote:
    > So if such a strong Sprint signal was present, why didn't your phone grab
    > it for your 911 call instead of some AMPS signal or other? I don't want to
    > be seen as agreeing with Larry, but this is a legitimate question.


    There are no standard pilot channel assignments for the PCS band, so the
    PRL tells the phone where to look. The cellular band has standard pilot
    channels, since both AMPS and CDMA were used in this band before PRLs
    were used. Thus, in 911 mode, the phone has no idea where to look on the
    PCS band for systems not in the PRL, but it knows where to look on the
    cellular band. I would have thought it could do a brute search, but that
    may not be feasible for some reason. The known channels on the cellular
    band are a good first place to look.



  8. #53
    Michael
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.


    "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    >And of course almost no GSM
    > phones have AMPS capability, only two that I know of, not counting the Nokia
    > NRM-1 AMPS module for their 5190 and 6190 GSM phones
    > (http://www.cell-phone-accessories.com/nrm1nokplusm.html)


    I still have an old 5190 and the NRM-1 AMPS module that I used
    with the old Voicestream, used to love that phone for motorhoming
    with, I could get a signal almost everywhere (Oregon) .

    I guess its useless now (sigh)............


    --
    Michael

    " I want to live forever, So far so good. "






  9. #54
    Steven M. Scharf
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.


    "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    > I still have an old 5190 and the NRM-1 AMPS module that I used
    > with the old Voicestream, used to love that phone for motorhoming
    > with, I could get a signal almost everywhere (Oregon) .


    I always wondered how the NRM-1 module worked. Was it only Voicestream that
    supported it? Is it still able to access 911 and the American Roaming
    Network (credit card payment)? I guess that the 5190/6190 are not much use
    anymore, with more and more GSM on 800 Mhz.





  10. #55
    Michael
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    Re: Verizon Worsens America's Choice Calling Plan--No more roaming, even at extra cost, No more National Single Rate Plan.


    "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]
    >
    > "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > I always wondered how the NRM-1 module worked. Was it only Voicestream that
    > supported it? Is it still able to access 911 and the American Roaming
    > Network (credit card payment)? I guess that the 5190/6190 are not much use
    > anymore, with more and more GSM on 800 Mhz.


    Don't know if only voicestream supported it, but it WILL dial 911 if you have
    an amps signal.

    I have one of those old bag phones for emergency 911 calls in the MH, you get
    some great signal strength with them......






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