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  1. #1
    My cell is emergency call pickup ONLY, and is a unique and irreplacble
    artifact, for that usage. I don't know about all cell phones, however,
    every cell phone I have ever tested ( dozens) EXCEED ( former) United
    States Federal electomagnetic radio emmision standards, which is/was
    approx. 30 milli-gauss. 30 is/was considered extreamly dangerous for
    short term exposure. My personal understanding of electromagnetic
    radiation sickness is that it is almost impossible to diagnose
    correctly because of systemic failure of the human body. Simply, the
    result is an /uncurable/ illness that results in tumors, strokes ( cell
    pohones in particular) and, unfortunately, deaths that is/are not
    attributed to electromagnetic radiation sickness. Maybe consider some
    counter point to your presumption of cell phones are "absolutely safe."


    Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU
    KNOW THE FACTS. The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by
    every cell phone I have tested is a dangerous gamble, each and every
    TRANSMIT.

    Mark A. Washburn
    maw




    See More: ALT: Wireless FAQ




  2. #2
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    [email protected] wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU
    > KNOW THE FACTS. The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by
    > every cell phone I have tested is a dangerous gamble, each and every
    > TRANSMIT.
    >
    > Mark A. Washburn
    > maw
    >


    Horse****. Not far from your home is a 316,000 watt VHF TV station, a
    25,000,000 watt UHF TV station, up to a 50,000 watt AM radio station, up to
    a 100,000 watt FM radio station, paging transmitters running ERPs into the
    multikilowatt ranges on VHF and UHF. Are you near an airport? With their
    megawatt microwave radar transmitters? Near any military? Their running
    multi-megawatt troposcatter phone transmitters.

    A friend of mine died a couple of years ago. His name was Linwood Sikes,
    amateur radio call N4LS. Linwood was in his 90's. Since he was a boy,
    around World War I when radio came into its own, Linwood was an amateur
    radio operator (a "ham", the nickname for Hiram Maxim who started the
    Amateur Radio Relay League (ARRL) back in the teens). Being a ham, Linwood
    had been exposed to high powered transmitters, right in his home, all his
    life. I have since I got my license in 1957. I was 11. Linwood died in
    his 90s of old age. He also put the first radio station in Charleston on
    the air, traveled around the country for airlines putting them on the air
    ("Alameda calling China Clipper" from the movies). Linwood, after WW2,
    opened Sikes Radio Company, our local Motorola 2-way radio company his son
    still runs today. He was a broadcast engineer exposed to a multitude of
    radio and television transmitters, most of which back in the "old days"
    didn't even have a cabinet on them, to say nothing of some kind of RF
    shielding. Linwood died of old age in his 90's.

    Sitting on my desk is a vhf/uhf walkie talkie I've used on the ham bands
    for 20+ years. It runs 7w on VHF and 5W on UHF. I hold it right up in
    front of my face and talk into the microphone. There's a 1,500 watt ham
    radio station on the desk whos antenna is right over the top of me. If I
    key it with this computer on, it trashes the computer at full power. Does
    your phone with its puny .2 watt transmitter? Of course not...no power!
    Hell, the cell has trouble hearing that peanut whistle! Go to my webpage
    on qrz.com. Browse to http://www.qrz.com/ and in the little callsign box
    enter W4CSC, my ham radio call. My ugly picture comes up grossing everyone
    out, but look at it anyway. See that little 300,000v ceramic insulator in
    my hand? It exploded right over my head when hit with 70,000 watts near 7
    Mhz from a pirate radio ship the FCC finally confiscated here in
    Charleston. Too much RF voltage. It was part of the feed through
    insulator that fed the 70KW RF through the hatch to a T antenna between two
    towers welded to the deck. Fed with unterminated open wire feeders from an
    old Voice Of America transmitter in the hold.
    (http://hawkins.pair.com/voanc/voanc07.jpg is the actual image address of
    this transmitter.) Everything in the compartment glowed an eerie blue from
    the power present that didn't make it up this insulator. Me, too! Totally
    cool...(c; I was just a guest of the ship's captain during the test. The
    ship belonged to a nutcase, Rev Stair of Overcomer Ministeries in
    Walterboro, SC, you can hear on short wave every night. Hold your wallet
    and visit http://www.overcomerministry.org/ He talks directly to God!...(c;

    Most people have never seen a serious broadcast beast that's frying their
    brains. Go to Jim Hawkins' broadcast museum and have a look around:
    http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
    It's the finest broadcast transmitter site on the net. The VOA runs
    500,000 watts from Ohio and Greenville, NC. I've been to NC to tour it.
    Amazing power since WW2.

    I'm still alive and nothing seems fried. I'm 60 in January if I survive my
    V60i's intermittent pulse transmissions...(c;

    Now, let's talk about the REAL reason for all this panic.....M-O-N-E-Y!

    Back in the AMPS days, cellular phones ran 3 watts of power on 800 Mhz and
    noone got fried. The brick handhelds ran 600 mw because they wanted the
    little batteries of the day to last longer than 15 minutes..not much
    longer, but longer than 15 minutes. They sucked because the system was
    incomplete at worst and setup for 3w car antenna transmitters with towers
    10 miles apart. Then cellular exploded in popularity. In cities, you
    could hardly use it because the system was totally overloaded, even at
    $1.50/minute! The solution? Closer spaced cells with much lower antennas
    (100') that didn't have the range of the 500' AMPS beasts of old. You may
    still see some 500' cellphone towers around your neighborhood but now with
    antennas way down the tower, not at the top. The new antenna panels,
    you'll note, actually point DOWN at an angle, to keep them from hearing the
    phones in the next cells over from them. Take a look. Every cell sector
    has several hundred channels on them. There's 3 sectors on each cell 120
    degrees apart. (See the three panel arrays pointing in different
    directions?) More, lower powered, lower down cells meant that many extra
    "channels per square mile" that could be running up those minute meters.
    The companies kept building in cities making fat revenues from all the
    minute meters per square mile clicking away.

    But, alas, those 3W cars, in spite of how we pointed the panels, kept
    occupying way too many cell sectors every time they went on the air. You
    were talking on this cell, but were jamming that channel on 8 other cells
    we could be makin' money off of at the same time. The solution? Dump
    mobile cellphones and bagphones with 3W transmitters and come out with a
    much smaller phone called the "flip phone", an AMPS phone with a 600 mw
    (.6w) transmitter. It sold like hotcakes to bagphone users luggin' around
    the high powered monsters or to people who had to leave their phone access
    in their cars. The flip phones had poorer antennas, too, which helped
    reduce their range to only a couple of cells. The buildout continued as
    the complaints of dead zones kept rollin' in. 3 miles from a tower, flip
    phones sucked. In the country where towers were 10 miles apart, they
    really sucked. Sales dropped off and bagphones were put back on the air.

    Then came "digital". Around the time of digital, a propaganda campaign
    rivalling The Third Reich's was instigated. "Cellphones are terribly
    dangerous and will fry your brains, cause you cancer, your eyeballs will
    fall out!" Isn't that convenient?! Just when we're gonna sell 'em all new
    digital phones that will let us put 24 people on each sector channel, we'll
    convince them those awful "high-powered" phones are just frying the kids!
    The paid hacks lined up to tell you how dangerous your tiny 600 mw flip
    phone that never killed anyone was. The gullible, stupid public, as usual,
    bought it hook line and sinker. So, we came out with a SAFER, more
    profitable transmitter that only put out 300 mw....then 200 mw....now 150
    mw...or less in the future. Because the tiny transmitters only have a
    range of about a mile or so, OUTSIDE in the clear, more towers, more cells,
    more sectors-per-square-mile were erected, only in the cities and along
    major roads connecting them, the Interstates. Now with 24 users per
    channel, with transmitter powers the COMPANY controls with CDMA's data, we
    can turn 'em down to just a few milliwatts so they only hit one or two
    sectors, and only then in the overlap between two minicells.

    Revenue per square mile couldn't be better! We can even drop the prices on
    minutes because our competitors did.

    An we lived happily.....and safe from those big 3w transmitters....ever
    after.....(c;.....er, ah, unless you wanna use your phone inside a building
    2 miles from the nearest cell....(d^





    --
    Larry

    You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
    chalk.




  3. #3
    Kentish
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    I love it when ham's explain RF, not to mention the amateur band which is
    around the wireless phone spectrum...


    "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > [email protected] wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    >> Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU
    >> KNOW THE FACTS. The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by
    >> every cell phone I have tested is a dangerous gamble, each and every
    >> TRANSMIT.
    >>
    >> Mark A. Washburn
    >> maw
    >>

    >
    > Horse****. Not far from your home is a 316,000 watt VHF TV station, a
    > 25,000,000 watt UHF TV station, up to a 50,000 watt AM radio station, up
    > to
    > a 100,000 watt FM radio station, paging transmitters running ERPs into the
    > multikilowatt ranges on VHF and UHF. Are you near an airport? With their
    > megawatt microwave radar transmitters? Near any military? Their running
    > multi-megawatt troposcatter phone transmitters.
    >
    > A friend of mine died a couple of years ago. His name was Linwood Sikes,
    > amateur radio call N4LS. Linwood was in his 90's. Since he was a boy,
    > around World War I when radio came into its own, Linwood was an amateur
    > radio operator (a "ham", the nickname for Hiram Maxim who started the
    > Amateur Radio Relay League (ARRL) back in the teens). Being a ham,
    > Linwood
    > had been exposed to high powered transmitters, right in his home, all his

    [snip]





  4. #4
    George
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    >
    >>Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU
    >>KNOW THE FACTS. The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by
    >>every cell phone I have tested is a dangerous gamble, each and every
    >>TRANSMIT.
    >>
    >>Mark A. Washburn
    >>maw
    >>

    >
    >
    > Horse****. Not far from your home is a 316,000 watt VHF TV station, a
    > 25,000,000 watt UHF TV station, up to a 50,000 watt AM radio station, up to
    > a 100,000 watt FM radio station, paging transmitters running ERPs into the
    > multikilowatt ranges on VHF and UHF. Are you near an airport? With their
    > megawatt microwave radar transmitters? Near any military? Their running
    > multi-megawatt troposcatter phone transmitters.


    I am sure you know about the inverse square law.


    >
    > A friend of mine died a couple of years ago. His name was Linwood Sikes,
    > amateur radio call N4LS. Linwood was in his 90's. Since he was a boy,
    > around World War I when radio came into its own, Linwood was an amateur
    > radio operator (a "ham", the nickname for Hiram Maxim who started the
    > Amateur Radio Relay League (ARRL) back in the teens). Being a ham, Linwood
    > had been exposed to high powered transmitters, right in his home, all his
    > life. I have since I got my license in 1957. I was 11. Linwood died in
    > his 90s of old age. He also put the first radio station in Charleston on
    > the air, traveled around the country for airlines putting them on the air
    > ("Alameda calling China Clipper" from the movies). Linwood, after WW2,
    > opened Sikes Radio Company, our local Motorola 2-way radio company his son
    > still runs today. He was a broadcast engineer exposed to a multitude of
    > radio and television transmitters, most of which back in the "old days"
    > didn't even have a cabinet on them, to say nothing of some kind of RF
    > shielding. Linwood died of old age in his 90's.
    >
    > Sitting on my desk is a vhf/uhf walkie talkie I've used on the ham bands
    > for 20+ years. It runs 7w on VHF and 5W on UHF. I hold it right up in
    > front of my face and talk into the microphone. There's a 1,500 watt ham
    > radio station on the desk whos antenna is right over the top of me. If I
    > key it with this computer on, it trashes the computer at full power. Does
    > your phone with its puny .2 watt transmitter? Of course not...no power!
    > Hell, the cell has trouble hearing that peanut whistle! Go to my webpage
    > on qrz.com. Browse to http://www.qrz.com/ and in the little callsign box
    > enter W4CSC, my ham radio call. My ugly picture comes up grossing everyone
    > out, but look at it anyway. See that little 300,000v ceramic insulator in
    > my hand? It exploded right over my head when hit with 70,000 watts near 7
    > Mhz from a pirate radio ship the FCC finally confiscated here in
    > Charleston. Too much RF voltage. It was part of the feed through
    > insulator that fed the 70KW RF through the hatch to a T antenna between two
    > towers welded to the deck. Fed with unterminated open wire feeders from an
    > old Voice Of America transmitter in the hold.
    > (http://hawkins.pair.com/voanc/voanc07.jpg is the actual image address of
    > this transmitter.) Everything in the compartment glowed an eerie blue from
    > the power present that didn't make it up this insulator. Me, too! Totally
    > cool...(c; I was just a guest of the ship's captain during the test. The
    > ship belonged to a nutcase, Rev Stair of Overcomer Ministeries in
    > Walterboro, SC, you can hear on short wave every night. Hold your wallet
    > and visit http://www.overcomerministry.org/ He talks directly to God!...(c;
    >
    > Most people have never seen a serious broadcast beast that's frying their
    > brains. Go to Jim Hawkins' broadcast museum and have a look around:
    > http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
    > It's the finest broadcast transmitter site on the net. The VOA runs
    > 500,000 watts from Ohio and Greenville, NC. I've been to NC to tour it.
    > Amazing power since WW2.
    >
    > I'm still alive and nothing seems fried. I'm 60 in January if I survive my
    > V60i's intermittent pulse transmissions...(c;




    The current knowledge about cancer says that two conditions are
    necessary. One is a genetic predisposition and two is some enviromental
    condition to "turn it on". That is the reason why you can have a
    population that may be exposed to paint thinner for example and only a
    few will get liver cancer. The ones that didn't did not have the
    predisposition. Your arguement represents only a sample size of one and
    is very similar to "my grandpa smoked 8 packs/day and lived to 97 and
    didn't get cancer". Possibly interesting but should you bet that you had
    the exact genes that grandpa had?


    >
    > Now, let's talk about the REAL reason for all this panic.....M-O-N-E-Y!
    >
    > Back in the AMPS days, cellular phones ran 3 watts of power on 800 Mhz and
    > noone got fried. The brick handhelds ran 600 mw because they wanted the
    > little batteries of the day to last longer than 15 minutes..not much
    > longer, but longer than 15 minutes. They sucked because the system was
    > incomplete at worst and setup for 3w car antenna transmitters with towers
    > 10 miles apart. Then cellular exploded in popularity. In cities, you
    > could hardly use it because the system was totally overloaded, even at
    > $1.50/minute! The solution? Closer spaced cells with much lower antennas
    > (100') that didn't have the range of the 500' AMPS beasts of old. You may
    > still see some 500' cellphone towers around your neighborhood but now with
    > antennas way down the tower, not at the top. The new antenna panels,
    > you'll note, actually point DOWN at an angle, to keep them from hearing the
    > phones in the next cells over from them. Take a look. Every cell sector
    > has several hundred channels on them. There's 3 sectors on each cell 120
    > degrees apart. (See the three panel arrays pointing in different
    > directions?) More, lower powered, lower down cells meant that many extra
    > "channels per square mile" that could be running up those minute meters.
    > The companies kept building in cities making fat revenues from all the
    > minute meters per square mile clicking away.
    >
    > But, alas, those 3W cars, in spite of how we pointed the panels, kept
    > occupying way too many cell sectors every time they went on the air. You
    > were talking on this cell, but were jamming that channel on 8 other cells
    > we could be makin' money off of at the same time. The solution? Dump
    > mobile cellphones and bagphones with 3W transmitters and come out with a
    > much smaller phone called the "flip phone", an AMPS phone with a 600 mw
    > (.6w) transmitter. It sold like hotcakes to bagphone users luggin' around
    > the high powered monsters or to people who had to leave their phone access
    > in their cars. The flip phones had poorer antennas, too, which helped
    > reduce their range to only a couple of cells. The buildout continued as
    > the complaints of dead zones kept rollin' in. 3 miles from a tower, flip
    > phones sucked. In the country where towers were 10 miles apart, they
    > really sucked. Sales dropped off and bagphones were put back on the air.
    >
    > Then came "digital". Around the time of digital, a propaganda campaign
    > rivalling The Third Reich's was instigated. "Cellphones are terribly
    > dangerous and will fry your brains, cause you cancer, your eyeballs will
    > fall out!" Isn't that convenient?! Just when we're gonna sell 'em all new
    > digital phones that will let us put 24 people on each sector channel, we'll
    > convince them those awful "high-powered" phones are just frying the kids!
    > The paid hacks lined up to tell you how dangerous your tiny 600 mw flip
    > phone that never killed anyone was. The gullible, stupid public, as usual,
    > bought it hook line and sinker. So, we came out with a SAFER, more
    > profitable transmitter that only put out 300 mw....then 200 mw....now 150
    > mw...or less in the future. Because the tiny transmitters only have a
    > range of about a mile or so, OUTSIDE in the clear, more towers, more cells,
    > more sectors-per-square-mile were erected, only in the cities and along
    > major roads connecting them, the Interstates. Now with 24 users per
    > channel, with transmitter powers the COMPANY controls with CDMA's data, we
    > can turn 'em down to just a few milliwatts so they only hit one or two
    > sectors, and only then in the overlap between two minicells.



    I see the problem. Cell companies should revert back to a business model
    where they can only service a few hundred customers in a market and not
    use effective lower power systems that allow frequency reuse/more users
    and lower power equipment that may be safer, compact and has longer
    battery life.


    >
    > Revenue per square mile couldn't be better! We can even drop the prices on
    > minutes because our competitors did.
    >
    > An we lived happily.....and safe from those big 3w transmitters....ever
    > after.....(c;.....er, ah, unless you wanna use your phone inside a building
    > 2 miles from the nearest cell....(d^
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >




  5. #5
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    George <[email protected]> wrote in news:1cWdncXzC4hH9jHfRVn-
    [email protected]:

    > The current knowledge about cancer says that two conditions are
    > necessary. One is a genetic predisposition and two is some enviromental
    > condition to "turn it on". That is the reason why you can have a
    > population that may be exposed to paint thinner for example and only a
    > few will get liver cancer. The ones that didn't did not have the
    > predisposition. Your arguement represents only a sample size of one and
    > is very similar to "my grandpa smoked 8 packs/day and lived to 97 and
    > didn't get cancer". Possibly interesting but should you bet that you had
    > the exact genes that grandpa had?
    >


    But the problem with that is I know THOUSANDS of hams, people who do 12
    hour shifts at major broadcast transmitters, in fields so strong they can't
    turn the flourescent lights in the building OFF with the transmitters
    on....None of them are fried. Some of these people have been doing it for
    50 years! Are they all some magic gene pool? Nonsense....same crap as the
    Freon 12 in your car....it's about money.

    As to the snide remark about the ham bands being around cellphone's magic-
    cooking frequency...that's more smokin' nonsense. The UHF TV transmitters
    are thousands of times more powerful, and those engineers that sit there
    aren't killed by the RF leaking out of it. The old guys were eradiated
    like hell. They were in more danger driving TO the transmitter than
    sitting for 60 hours a week for 30 years in front of it.

    If what you say is so, we need to shut down every high powered RF source in
    the countries....to protect us. Your measily milliwatt cellphone at 6"
    isn't nearly as intense as Rock 96 FM's blowtorch just down the street.

    The air is polluted with Jet engines and power plants, not R-12 leaking
    from the old Ford. You have just about as much chance of shutting down
    Rock 96's 100KW transmitter as you do that 747 dumping its engine crap on
    your kids.....

    It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution, air or
    RF....bull****.



    --
    Larry

    You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
    chalk.




  6. #6
    O/Siris
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution, air or
    > RF....bull****.
    >


    Pseudo-science. Fun stuff, eh?

    I notice the OP provided NOTHING to prove his claim. Not measurement
    equipment, not how the tests were carried out, not even what phones
    used.

    --
    R
    O/Siris
    -+-
    A thing moderately good
    is not so good as it ought to be.
    Moderation in temper is always a virtue,
    but moderation in principle is always a vice.
    +Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man", 1792+



  7. #7
    Dean
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    You tell 'em, Larry.

    What's really scary is the high-powered stuff we get blasted with every
    minute of every day from everywhere BESIDES the cellphone.

    Dean
    N2QNE
    ________________________________________
    "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > George <[email protected]> wrote in news:1cWdncXzC4hH9jHfRVn-
    > [email protected]:
    >
    >> The current knowledge about cancer says that two conditions are
    >> necessary. One is a genetic predisposition and two is some enviromental
    >> condition to "turn it on". That is the reason why you can have a
    >> population that may be exposed to paint thinner for example and only a
    >> few will get liver cancer. The ones that didn't did not have the
    >> predisposition. Your arguement represents only a sample size of one and
    >> is very similar to "my grandpa smoked 8 packs/day and lived to 97 and
    >> didn't get cancer". Possibly interesting but should you bet that you had
    >> the exact genes that grandpa had?
    >>

    >
    > But the problem with that is I know THOUSANDS of hams, people who do 12
    > hour shifts at major broadcast transmitters, in fields so strong they
    > can't
    > turn the flourescent lights in the building OFF with the transmitters
    > on....None of them are fried. Some of these people have been doing it for
    > 50 years! Are they all some magic gene pool? Nonsense....same crap as
    > the
    > Freon 12 in your car....it's about money.
    >
    > As to the snide remark about the ham bands being around cellphone's magic-
    > cooking frequency...that's more smokin' nonsense. The UHF TV transmitters
    > are thousands of times more powerful, and those engineers that sit there
    > aren't killed by the RF leaking out of it. The old guys were eradiated
    > like hell. They were in more danger driving TO the transmitter than
    > sitting for 60 hours a week for 30 years in front of it.
    >
    > If what you say is so, we need to shut down every high powered RF source
    > in
    > the countries....to protect us. Your measily milliwatt cellphone at 6"
    > isn't nearly as intense as Rock 96 FM's blowtorch just down the street.
    >
    > The air is polluted with Jet engines and power plants, not R-12 leaking
    > from the old Ford. You have just about as much chance of shutting down
    > Rock 96's 100KW transmitter as you do that 747 dumping its engine crap on
    > your kids.....
    >
    > It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution, air or
    > RF....bull****.
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Larry
    >
    > You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
    > chalk.
    >






  8. #8
    John Cummings
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    O/Siris wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    > says...
    >> It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution,
    >> air or RF....bull****.
    >>

    >
    > Pseudo-science. Fun stuff, eh?
    >
    > I notice the OP provided NOTHING to prove his claim. Not measurement
    > equipment, not how the tests were carried out, not even what phones
    > used.


    Having spent twentyfive years in broadcast engineering and two-way radio
    service, and thirtyseven years in amateur radio, I can confirm Larry's (OP)
    observations of the participants. Non-ionizing RF doesn't matter, but watch
    out for heating effects at the higher frequencies and powers.

    John C., N4BKN





  9. #9
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    "Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    > What's really scary is the high-powered stuff we get blasted with every
    > minute of every day from everywhere BESIDES the cellphone.
    >
    >


    Their cellphones should be the LEAST of their worries....(c;

    --
    73 DE W4CSC
    Larry

    You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
    chalk.




  10. #10
    djk
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...
    > "Cellphones are terribly
    > dangerous and will fry your brains, cause you cancer, your eyeballs will
    > fall out!" Isn't that convenient?!
    >

    not to mention, obesity and hairloss.



  11. #11

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    1 milli-gauss was/is considered marginally dangerous ( according to the
    documentation that came with my testers, the test equipment is designed
    for assuring compliance with Federal law. Three meters altogether, two
    with identical sensitivity and the third dampened by about three
    milli-gauss. One of the two with identical sensitivity, I call "Bugs
    Bunny" for no reason.

    I have used these devices for about twelve years. I have tested
    electronic equipment, TVs, Home and industrial electric motors, power
    lines, lighting systems, generators, power inverters and converters, an
    industrial laser ...

    OK

    A standard household light bulb emits about 1 milli-gauss at 1/2 inch.

    TVs and computer monitors can measure a wide variety of patterns. I
    had a TV in the living room of my house that seemed OK, I measured a 30
    milli-gauss field extending about two feet in front of the TV, what
    supprised me was that a steady/strong 30 milli-gauss field was cutting
    thru the edge of the toilet behind the wall of the TV ( a built in
    entertainment center location).

    I purchased a motor home from a RV 'lifer', well, until his wife died.
    He wasn't interested in keeping their home any further, and offered the
    RV for sale thru his dealership. I detected a 30 milli-gauss field
    extending several feet thru the lower cabin single bed. He slept in
    the loft.

    About two and 1/2 feet away from a 30 amp main power line, I read 30
    milli-gauss.

    There are two different types of spikes from a cell phone, from the
    transmitter and from the load speaker, both typically 30 milli-gauss
    extending from the phone for five to seven inches, during transmit and
    from the speaker ( during recieve).

    For example, the phone I currently am holding in my hand, ( name brands
    withheld)
    1) emits a 30 milli-gauss field, at zero inches at the ear piece after
    a full power on; the ear piece field drops to 1 milli-gauss at a
    distance of one inch.
    2) every where else the phone meters about 1 milli-gause at zero inches
    with power-on.
    3) emits a stong and steady 30 milli-gauss field extending about three
    inches during talk, with two types of em radiation, the transmitter AND
    the ear piece locations, and ( very) variable 30 milli-gauss field out
    to six inches.

    .... ( insert long list of consumer and commercial tests)

    The field strength meter's detect electromagnetic field strength
    /differentials/ as sampled using the 'normal' environment noise.

    About fifteen feet below a power transformer, I can detect a 1 to 2
    milli-gauss field, a few feet more then I can not detect any filed
    differential.

    Your turn.

    maw

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  12. #12
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    [email protected] wrote:
    <snip a buncha of test-everything-I-encounter)
    >
    > Your turn.
    >


    Might I suggest a tinfoil hat?


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  13. #13
    O/Siris
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    > 1 milli-gauss was/is considered marginally dangerous ( according to the
    > documentation that came with my testers,
    >


    Interesting that the State of Minnesota says no such standard exists:

    "Currently there are no federal or state health-based exposure standards
    for magnetic fields. This is due to the fact that there is inadequate
    scientific evidence to develop a health-based standard. References to
    safe/unsafe magnetic field levels in studies are not health-based
    standards; they are arbitrary exposure cut off points used by
    researchers, and they provide no scientific basis to evaluate or
    estimate potential health risks.

    While there is currently no "safe" level determined for EMF, people may
    obtain measurements in their home and use information about typical
    magnetic field exposures to determine if their exposures are likely to
    be higher than, comparable to, or lower than the levels in other
    residential settings."

    http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/e...emf/#standards


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    O/Siris
    -+-
    A thing moderately good
    is not so good as it ought to be.
    Moderation in temper is always a virtue,
    but moderation in principle is always a vice.
    +Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man", 1792+



  14. #14
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: ALT: Wireless FAQ

    O/Siris <r[email protected]st.nt> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Currently there are no federal or state health-based exposure standards
    > for magnetic fields.


    If they had standards for magnetic and electric fields, powerful lobby
    power companies would be forced to bury the 1925 electric system in the
    USA. Unlike the developed countries of Europe, our AC power system still
    hangs on old wooden poles just like it did back then. The fields produced
    by it all account for a loss of 1/3 of the power generated from leakage.

    We just raise power rates to make up for the losses....

    --
    Larry

    You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
    chalk.




  15. #15

    If you like Kyocera phones, this could be a must have t-shirt

    This has marginal interest to maybe one person, but I found these 6 Kyocera
    t-shirts, and they were really Kool. As I'm a fan of the phones, there must
    be a geek or two, that can't live without a Kyocera t-shirt. If you hate
    the phone, you probably won't like the shirt either.

    Well, now that you know I'm selling something it is on ebay. Don't follow
    the link if you don't want to see it. But the shirt is surprisingly kool, I
    thought so. Any size, any color as long as it is XL and white. I only have
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    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=8312330039

    A really NEAT, Classic Kyocera T-Shirt, I LOVE it, u 2 Item number:
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    used to)
    If I can help: [email protected]am or thru this notes forum.
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