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- 06-27-2005, 09:57 PM #31wkearney99Guest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opions please!)
Hopefully anyone with this stupid an attitude would drop-dead long before
help arrived.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "SS" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The construction angle is probably the most accurate, as many buildings
and
> > businesses are putting in passive cellular shields (which are legal,
BTW).
> > Basically a large metal mesh that disrupts radio signals
>
> OH NO! BUT WHAT IF I'M HAVING A HEART ATTACK AND I PULL OUT MY CELL
> PHONE AND I CAN'T CALL FOR HELP, IT'S THE EVIL BUILDING OWNER'S FAULT!
> WHAT IF...WHAT IF....WHAT IF...HOW DARE THEY INFRINGE ON MY
> CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO MAKE A CELL PHONE CALL FOR ANY REASON AT ANY
> TIME! THEY MUST PAY!
>
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- 06-27-2005, 10:28 PM #32John RichardsGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opions please!)
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> are easily identified and discarded. What it boils down to is that the
>>>> sender's ISP can almost always be identified,
>>>
>>> Quite often, that is an overly optimistic opinion.
>>
>> I meant in the context of individual messages like the post from
>> "Kathleen Carmody", which was easily tracerouted to a server in
>> Minneapolis, which generally agreed with her email address which
>> pointed to Brooklyn Center, MN. There was not the slightest evidence
>> of header forging in that post.
>
> Tell me my ISP, then.
I was speaking primarily about email messages.
You are not using your ISP's NNTP server. Your NNTP service:
UseNetServer.com, is one of the independents who does not record
the originating IP address. Although this practice is quite common for
third party NNTP service, email messages always contain the
originating IP.
--
John Richards
- 06-28-2005, 05:17 AM #33Jim SeymourGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opions please!)
In article <[email protected]>,
tim <[email protected]> writes:
[snip]
> Don't forget, that cell phones can be "life-threatening" in certain
> situations.
Yeah, that's what they say, all right.
> I have seen reports where several major hospitals are
> testing cell jammers in the critical care areas because of the
> danger of having an rf transmitter so close to some of the
> sensitive electronic equipment.
So they're going to put always-on broadband RF sources in areas where
they want to prohibit RF sources, is that it?
>
> Many of us have had EKGs at one time or another. Remember how hard
> the tech had to work to get each of the connections just so to pick
> up that VERY SENSITIVE voltage from the muscles being read?
No, I don't. They attached the wires, did their thing, detached the
wires.
[snip]
>
> Put up a sign and turn on the jammer.
Uh huh. Btw: If the milliwatt-level RF energy from cell phones is so
disruptive to medical equipment, please explain why hospital security
staff operate multi-watt hand-held two-way radios in the same
environment?
Btw2: Do you know how much hospitals charge for in-room telephones?
There are good and valid reasons to restrict the operation of cell
phones in hospitals, but they're more along the lines of why their
use should be restricted on aircraft, in theaters and restaurants,
and in other venues where people are too damn stupid and
inconsiderate to be allowed the freedom of their own judgement.
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- 06-28-2005, 08:59 PM #34O/SirisGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opionsplease!)
In article <VNZve.1101$zp6.723@trnddc08>, [email protected] says...
> its not against the law. whether or not it should be or not is a different
> subject, but as it stands, there are no laws saying you cant call yourself
> whatever you want on the internet
>
> john travolta
>
Really? Call yourself a police officer.
I think that, if anyone were to bother to investigate (and that's a
significant if unless you actually use the claim to some end), you'd
find there *are* limits.
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is not so good as it ought to be.
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- 06-28-2005, 10:35 PM #35JerGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opionsplease!)
O/Siris wrote:
> In article <VNZve.1101$zp6.723@trnddc08>, [email protected] says...
>
>>its not against the law. whether or not it should be or not is a different
>>subject, but as it stands, there are no laws saying you cant call yourself
>>whatever you want on the internet
>>
>>john travolta
>>
>
>
> Really? Call yourself a police officer.
>
> I think that, if anyone were to bother to investigate (and that's a
> significant if unless you actually use the claim to some end), you'd
> find there *are* limits.
>
Of course there are limits, but you may use any alias name you want to
identify yourself in any venue, including in person, so long as there's
no intent to defraud. Doing so to only garner someone's misguided
attention is not itself a fraudulent act within criminal statutes.
(Visit any bar on ladies night for examples) So, if JV wants to
identify himself as a police officer, then he may do so, so long as his
use of the false identity causes no real harm to anyone, nor provides
financial gain for himself or another. Now, one person's definition of
"harm" may very well be different than someone else's, but that would be
an issue for a court to decide, and the burden of proof would be
plaintiff's onus.
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jer
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- 06-29-2005, 03:25 AM #36KS4VT@yahoo_nospam.comGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opions please!)
http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=23199
FCC re-iterates cell-phone jammers are illegal
Jun 28, 2005
WASHINGTON-People who want to use cell-phone jammers to get rid of
annoying mobile-phone use should think again.
It is against the law. Those found using, selling, manufacturing or
distributing cell-phone jammers could be subject to an $11,000-per-day
fine and seizure of their equipment by the United States Marshals,
warned the Federal Communications Commission.
"In response to multiple inquiries concerning the sale and use of
transmitters designed to prevent, jam or interfere with the operation
of cellular and PCS telephones, the FCC is issuing this public notice
to make clear that the marketing, sale or operation of this type of
equipment is unlawful. Anyone involved with such activities may be
subject to forfeitures, fines or even criminal prosecution," said the
FCC.
- 06-29-2005, 08:48 AM #37John RichardsGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opions please!)
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Although this practice is quite common for
>> third party NNTP service, email messages always contain the
>> originating IP.
>
> Except when they don't.
>
> Maybe your head is in the sand. That's the only reason I can think of
> you not knowing about spam...
We covered this already. I'm a long-time spam fighter and know
what I'm talking about. Services like SpamCop.net could not
exist if the originating ISP were not uniquely determinable.
--
John Richards
- 06-29-2005, 10:24 AM #38Steve SobolGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opionsplease!)
John Richards wrote:
> We covered this already. I'm a long-time spam fighter and know
> what I'm talking about. Services like SpamCop.net could not
> exist if the originating ISP were not uniquely determinable.
And there are enough anonymizing open proxies that spammers can abuse that
often that's not possible. I've been doing the spamfighting thing since
1996. I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about too.
It's not impossible in all cases, just many.
This discussion is way OT for the cellular newsgroups, so I'm not going to
say any more...
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- 06-29-2005, 03:16 PM #39John RichardsGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opions please!)
Steve Sobol wrote:
> John Richards wrote:
>
>> We covered this already. I'm a long-time spam fighter and know
>> what I'm talking about. Services like SpamCop.net could not
>> exist if the originating ISP were not uniquely determinable.
>
> And there are enough anonymizing open proxies that spammers can abuse that
> often that's not possible. I've been doing the spamfighting thing since
> 1996. I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about too.
>
> It's not impossible in all cases, just many.
We've both had our say, and our viewpoints really aren't that far apart.
As a long-time member of SpamCop.net I'd advise anyone who is
serious about fighting spam or just wants to learn how to interpret
headers to join that organization.
> This discussion is way OT for the cellular newsgroups, so I'm not going to
> say any more...
Agreed. Over and out.
--
John Richards
- 06-29-2005, 05:57 PM #40Linc MadisonGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opions please!)
In article <[email protected]>, someone purporting to
be Kathleen Carmody <[email protected]>
wrote:
> (-PLEASE- No lectures or legal suppositions needed or desired)
>
> Anyone know where to purchase a cellular phone jammer, preferably
> stateside. There are vendors off shore, but none here in CONUS
> that I know of. Please post here any US vendors that sell cellular
> jammers. (Extra points for relating your experience with using one.)
It's not a "supposition" or an "opion" -- cellphone jammers are illegal
in the United States. Period. It is illegal to sell, buy, advertise, or
operate a cellphone jammer in the United States. Period. See 47 USC
302a and 47 CFR 2.803 for the details.
If you operate a cellphone jammer, you are subject to fines of up to
$11,000 per day under 47 CFR 1.80(b)(3). Whatever reasoning you think
you have for ignoring those rules, I doubt the FCC or the judge would
agree.
If you have an area where you don't want people to use cellphones, the
only legal way to do it is by constructing a cellphone blocker --
essentially an enclosure with enough metal in the walls to absorb
enough of the wavelengths used by cellphones to make them inoperable
inside the enclosure. Google on the exact phrase "Faraday cage." Since
a Faraday cage is a passive device that does not interfere with the
operation of any equipment outside itself, it is not subject to the FCC
licensing requirements. After all, it's just a metal box.
If you're still intent on getting a cellphone jammer, I'll leave it to
the judge to "lecture" you at your sentencing.
--
Linc Madison * San Francisco, California * [email protected]
All U.S. and California anti-spam laws apply, incl. CA BPC 17538.45(c)
This text constitutes actual notice as required in BPC 17538.45(f)(3).
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- 06-29-2005, 10:28 PM #41wkearney99Guest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opions please!)
Uh folks, don't feed the troll.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Although this practice is quite common for
> > third party NNTP service, email messages always contain the
> > originating IP.
>
> Except when they don't.
>
> Maybe your head is in the sand. That's the only reason I can think of
> you not knowing about spam...
>
- 06-29-2005, 10:33 PM #42wkearney99Guest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opionsplease!)
"Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Of course there are limits, but you may use any alias name you want to
> identify yourself in any venue, including in person, so long as there's
> no intent to defraud. Doing so to only garner someone's misguided
> attention is not itself a fraudulent act within criminal statutes.
> (Visit any bar on ladies night for examples) So, if JV wants to
> identify himself as a police officer, then he may do so, so long as his
> use of the false identity causes no real harm to anyone, nor provides
> financial gain for himself or another. Now, one person's definition of
> "harm" may very well be different than someone else's, but that would be
> an issue for a court to decide, and the burden of proof would be
> plaintiff's onus.
In most (if not all) US jurisdictions impersonating an officer of the courts
or a government official is most certainly illegal. While many job
capacities don't have that sort of liability, government jobs like policemen
certain DO. Granted, the likelihood of being prosecuted for doing it 'in a
bar on ladies night' is not very high. But get caught stopping that same
skirt out in the parking lot claiming to be Joe Friday and you'd be on well
on your way to the lockup.
None of this conflates to online identities, so please, make use of better
analogies.
- 06-30-2005, 12:54 AM #43DecTxCowboyGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opionsplease!)
> And it would be immediately obvious to anyone using the debug
> screen on a CDMA phone
Well...that rules out 99.999999% of handset users.
- 06-30-2005, 06:32 AM #44KS4VT@yahoo_nospam.comGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opions please!)
- 06-30-2005, 06:33 AM #45JerGuest
Re: Where to Buy a Cellular Phone Jammer (no lectures or legal opionsplease!)
wkearney99 wrote:
> "Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Of course there are limits, but you may use any alias name you want to
>>identify yourself in any venue, including in person, so long as there's
>>no intent to defraud. Doing so to only garner someone's misguided
>>attention is not itself a fraudulent act within criminal statutes.
>>(Visit any bar on ladies night for examples) So, if JV wants to
>>identify himself as a police officer, then he may do so, so long as his
>>use of the false identity causes no real harm to anyone, nor provides
>>financial gain for himself or another. Now, one person's definition of
>>"harm" may very well be different than someone else's, but that would be
>>an issue for a court to decide, and the burden of proof would be
>>plaintiff's onus.
>
>
> In most (if not all) US jurisdictions impersonating an officer of the courts
> or a government official is most certainly illegal. While many job
> capacities don't have that sort of liability, government jobs like policemen
> certain DO. Granted, the likelihood of being prosecuted for doing it 'in a
> bar on ladies night' is not very high. But get caught stopping that same
> skirt out in the parking lot claiming to be Joe Friday and you'd be on well
> on your way to the lockup.
>
> None of this conflates to online identities, so please, make use of better
> analogies.
>
There's nothing conflated with my analogy. One can identify oneself as
a police officer without legal retribution (even if one is standing in a
parking lot), but acting in a capacity of one (aka "stopping") at any
location *is* deceitful, ergo fraudulent. The difference is...
identifying oneself as a police officer v. acting in the capacity of a
police officer. The former may get one laid while the latter may get
one arrested. Intent is a key component in our criminal statutes, and
last time I looked, getting laid even under the guise of being a police
officer was not an criminal offense - the difference is one can get laid
even if one doesn't identify oneself as a police officer, but one cannot
legally act in the capacity of a police officer without actually being a
police officer. You'd be amazed at the number of women that get this
crap and never ask to see an ID.
--
jer
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