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  1. #1
    Kyler Laird
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    I use my SPH-I300 (Palm phone) address book and calendar heavily. I
    had it replaced awhile ago when the cradle stopped working. Around that
    time I also got out of the habit of backing up the data (because the
    cradle was so flakey). Can you see where this is going?

    On Sunday it crashed. It does that fairly often so I didn't think much
    about pulling the battery and reinserting it. Then everything was gone.
    It completely reinitialized. (That happened to my wife once and I
    accused her of hitting the "up" key.) Worse, it quickly froze after the
    initial setup. I tried it several times.

    So I called Sprint. They told me to contact the insurance company
    (becaue I pay for the damage insurance). The insurance company told me
    that because it wasn't physically damaged they couldn't do anything. I
    was told to take it to the Sprint store in Indianapolis (1.5 hours
    away).

    I was too busy to go to Indy but a friend gave me his old I300. I
    activated it and everything seemed fine...for a minute. Then it locked.
    It locked repeatedly. I couldn't make a single call on it without
    having it lock.

    So I finally drove to Indy last night. I got to the store and the rep.
    said there was nothing he could do but offer me a $150 rebate on a new
    phone with a two year contract. Grr... For this I drove three hours?
    Call Sprint...they call the store...yup, I'm screwed.

    I stayed with Sprint and this phone all this time because I valued the
    Palm functionality on a phone that was capable of AMPS. (My wife has
    one too.) Now I'm trying to decide if I should jump to another carrier
    and get a digital-only phone or try to stick with Sprint.

    I'm thinking about buying an SPH-I500. That would get me back to where
    I was (but out hundreds of dollars). Another possibility is to get a
    simple phone with Bluetooth and then use a separate PDA. It looks like
    the only phone Sprint now sells with Bluetooth is the PM-325. (No, I
    don't want a Treo.) It's fairly large and doesn't have AMPS coverage.

    It seems like I might as well kiss AMPS coverage goodbye. (At least my
    wife will have it on her phone until that croaks). Then there's not
    much advantage to staying with Sprint. It'd be much better to switch
    to a provider who uses GSM. That means Cingular. (I don't view the
    coverage of T-Mobile as usable.)

    Am I missing anything? I've got three phones on Sprint and I'd really
    rather do something easy but it looks like I need to change everything.
    I'm getting a little desperate without my phone.

    Thank you.

    --kyler



    See More: my Sprint saga




  2. #2
    John Navas
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    Re: my Sprint saga

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:17:02 GMT, Kyler
    Laird <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I use my SPH-I300 (Palm phone) address book and calendar heavily. I
    >had it replaced awhile ago when the cradle stopped working. Around that
    >time I also got out of the habit of backing up the data (because the
    >cradle was so flakey). Can you see where this is going?
    >
    >On Sunday it crashed. It does that fairly often so I didn't think much
    >about pulling the battery and reinserting it. Then everything was gone.
    >It completely reinitialized. (That happened to my wife once and I
    >accused her of hitting the "up" key.) Worse, it quickly froze after the
    >initial setup. I tried it several times.

    ....
    >I'm thinking about buying an SPH-I500. That would get me back to where
    >I was (but out hundreds of dollars). ...


    Have you tried to find a good used I300 (e.g., on eBay)?

    >It seems like I might as well kiss AMPS coverage goodbye. (At least my
    >wife will have it on her phone until that croaks). Then there's not
    >much advantage to staying with Sprint. It'd be much better to switch
    >to a provider who uses GSM. That means Cingular. (I don't view the
    >coverage of T-Mobile as usable.)
    >
    >Am I missing anything? I've got three phones on Sprint and I'd really
    >rather do something easy but it looks like I need to change everything.
    >I'm getting a little desperate without my phone.


    I recommend checking the coverage with Cingular against what you're now
    getting with Sprint before making a big move. The simple way to do that is to
    buy a cheap pay-as-you-go Cingular phone, test it for a few days, and return
    it within the grace period, paying only for the air time you used.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  3. #3
    Marty
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    Re: my Sprint saga

    Somewhere around Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:17:02 GMT, while reading
    alt.cellular.cingular, I think I thought I saw this post from Kyler Laird
    <[email protected]>:

    .. . .
    >
    >Am I missing anything? I've got three phones on Sprint and I'd really
    >rather do something easy but it looks like I need to change everything.
    >I'm getting a little desperate without my phone.
    >

    It seems like the cellular providers are a lot like most car salesmen; when
    you are a potential customer, they are so friendly and accomadating, and
    will promise you anything. Once you buy, though, they care nothing about
    you - they're looking for new fish to fry. Only when you call to cancel the
    service do they suddenly begin to care again, but by then, it's too late.

    My plan is to try to avoid long contracts, which means living with my out of
    date phone a little longer so I can then switch to another provider and get
    a good deal.

    --
    Marty - public.forums (at) gmail (dot) com
    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...
    well, I have others." - Groucho Marx



  4. #4
    John Richards
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    Re: my Sprint saga

    Kyler Laird wrote:
    > So I called Sprint. They told me to contact the insurance company
    > (becaue I pay for the damage insurance). The insurance company told me
    > that because it wasn't physically damaged they couldn't do anything.


    How can the insurance company say that there is no physical
    damage? There could be a hairline crack in the main circuit board.

    Not to play devil's advocate, but if you now 'accidentally' drop
    the phone, will the insurance then pay for a replacement?

    --
    John Richards






  5. #5
    Kyler Laird
    Guest

    Re: my Sprint saga

    John Navas <[email protected]> writes:

    >Have you tried to find a good used I300 (e.g., on eBay)?


    After having my friend's I300 (which was working when he stopped
    using it) croak on me, I'm going to have a tough time trusting
    that another one off eBay is going to do the trick.

    >I recommend checking the coverage with Cingular against what you're now
    >getting with Sprint before making a big move. The simple way to do that is to
    >buy a cheap pay-as-you-go Cingular phone, test it for a few days, and return
    >it within the grace period, paying only for the air time you used.


    I already have a Cingular Siemens S56 (and a T68i bunch) from work.
    I know that Cingular doesn't work well in my house. I'm hoping that
    a newer phone will work better.

    --kyler



  6. #6
    Kyler Laird
    Guest

    Re: my Sprint saga

    "John Richards" <[email protected]> writes:

    >Not to play devil's advocate, but if you now 'accidentally' drop
    >the phone, will the insurance then pay for a replacement?


    Yeah, it's already been suggested (by Sprint people) that I report
    that I lost it. Although I also figured out that option, it's not
    one I'm willing to use. I shouldn't have to lie to my provider to
    get decent service.

    --kyler



  7. #7
    Jeffrey Kaplan
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    Re: my Sprint saga

    It is alleged that Kyler Laird claimed:

    > I use my SPH-I300 (Palm phone) address book and calendar heavily. I
    > had it replaced awhile ago when the cradle stopped working. Around that
    > time I also got out of the habit of backing up the data (because the
    > cradle was so flakey). Can you see where this is going?


    Yup.

    > I stayed with Sprint and this phone all this time because I valued the
    > Palm functionality on a phone that was capable of AMPS. (My wife has
    > one too.) Now I'm trying to decide if I should jump to another carrier
    > and get a digital-only phone or try to stick with Sprint.


    See if you can find a Kyocera 7135. PalmOS4 smartphone, triband (dual
    CDMA and AMPS). It should work with either Sprint or Verizon. I had
    one when I was with Verizon. Sold it on eBay last June after I
    switched to Cingular.

    > I'm thinking about buying an SPH-I500. That would get me back to where


    They Kyo has a few advantages over the I500, including an MMC/SDIO card
    slot, and a physically larger display.

    > I was (but out hundreds of dollars). Another possibility is to get a
    > simple phone with Bluetooth and then use a separate PDA. It looks like


    If carrying two devices is not a problem for you, then that is
    definitely an option.

    > the only phone Sprint now sells with Bluetooth is the PM-325. (No, I
    > don't want a Treo.) It's fairly large and doesn't have AMPS coverage.


    Other than the lack of AMPS, why don't you want a Treo? It's a great
    device. As for the size, the Treo is smaller than the I300. The I300
    is 4.92 x 2.28 x .82 and the Treo is 4.41 x 2.26 x .87.

    > It seems like I might as well kiss AMPS coverage goodbye. (At least my


    I haven't missed it. AAMOF, I had turned off the AMPS use on my
    Kyocera and never noticed a change of usability.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

    "The Rebirth ceremony was part of your training on Minbar." "I missed
    it, overslept." "It last all day." "Oh that's right I was ill. Wanted
    to go, couldn't. Same as now, love to, can't really, next time." (Amb.
    Delenn and Marcus Cole, B5 "Ceremonies of Light And Dark")



  8. #8
    Holland McPeake
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    Re: my Sprint saga

    On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:54:35 -0400, Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    3.1 looks good!



  9. #9
    John Richards
    Guest

    Re: my Sprint saga

    "Kyler Laird" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > "John Richards" <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    >>Not to play devil's advocate, but if you now 'accidentally' drop
    >>the phone, will the insurance then pay for a replacement?

    >
    > Yeah, it's already been suggested (by Sprint people) that I report
    > that I lost it. Although I also figured out that option, it's not
    > one I'm willing to use. I shouldn't have to lie to my provider to
    > get decent service.


    What's the point of paying for insurance if you're not going
    to get the insurer to pony up when the handset dies?

    --
    John Richards



  10. #10
    Kyler Laird
    Guest

    Re: my Sprint saga

    Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> writes:

    >See if you can find a Kyocera 7135.


    Interesting. I hadn't looked at that. Thank you.

    >Other than the lack of AMPS, why don't you want a Treo?


    If I'm going to switch to an all-digital phone I want a Bluetooth
    device that I can use for lots of purposes. One of the things I
    want to be able to do is easily use DUN. From what I understand
    from my friends, that's not possible with the 650; it requires
    manually switching modes.

    (I expected to switch to the 650 as soon as I heard about it long
    ago. I've been quite disappointed by it.)

    >I haven't missed it. AAMOF, I had turned off the AMPS use on my
    >Kyocera and never noticed a change of usability.


    I usually have AMPS disabled on my I300 and notice it only when
    we're driving in the boonies but I fly in to some places in the
    middle of nowhere and sometimes AMPS is the only thing available.
    It's *so* handy to have it in those cases. Then again, sometimes
    nothing is available so I've been thinking I'll get a satellite
    phone anyway.

    I'll learn to live without AMPS but I want some great new
    capabilities in return. A Treo would limit me way too much.

    --kyler



  11. #11
    Kyler Laird
    Guest

    Re: my Sprint saga

    "John Richards" <[email protected]> writes:

    >>>Not to play devil's advocate, but if you now 'accidentally' drop
    >>>the phone, will the insurance then pay for a replacement?

    >>
    >> Yeah, it's already been suggested (by Sprint people) that I report
    >> that I lost it. Although I also figured out that option, it's not
    >> one I'm willing to use. I shouldn't have to lie to my provider to
    >> get decent service.


    >What's the point of paying for insurance if you're not going
    >to get the insurer to pony up when the handset dies?


    It's useful when *I* screw up. It also worked (for $50) when the
    connector for the cradle flaked out. My Dad damaged his phone and
    the insurance replaced it.

    I usually don't like to pay for insurance like this but it was
    worthwhile to me to know that I'd be able to keep these phones going.
    So much for that.

    --kyler



  12. #12
    Jeffrey Kaplan
    Guest

    Re: my Sprint saga

    It is alleged that Kyler Laird claimed:

    > >Other than the lack of AMPS, why don't you want a Treo?

    > If I'm going to switch to an all-digital phone I want a Bluetooth
    > device that I can use for lots of purposes. One of the things I
    > want to be able to do is easily use DUN. From what I understand
    > from my friends, that's not possible with the 650; it requires
    > manually switching modes.


    That may be a service-specific thing. I know that Verizon, for
    example, does order their phones with certain functions crippled. I
    haven't used my Treo as a modem, and I don't have Bluetooth on my
    laptop anyway, so I haven't tried using it that way. I'm with
    Cingular, btw, in case I didn't mention that before.

    > I'll learn to live without AMPS but I want some great new
    > capabilities in return. A Treo would limit me way too much.


    Well, obviously, if the Treo doesn't do what you want then it'd be a
    lousy item for you.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

    "Shadow Vessels. They were sighted in Sector 800 two days ago. Seems
    they're gathering, creating a border on the edge of Centauri space.
    Oh... and that package you'd been asking about just left Mars. Should
    be here in about a week." (Ranger, B5 "Exogenesis")



  13. #13
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: my Sprint saga

    Kyler Laird wrote:
    > Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> writes:
    >> See if you can find a Kyocera 7135.

    >
    > Interesting. I hadn't looked at that. Thank you.
    >
    >> Other than the lack of AMPS, why don't you want a Treo?

    >
    > If I'm going to switch to an all-digital phone I want a Bluetooth
    > device that I can use for lots of purposes. One of the things I
    > want to be able to do is easily use DUN.


    I'm a little puzzled here. Once you apply the update, the Treo 650's BT
    DUN profile becomes active. Is applying the patch what you meant by not
    being easy?

    You can also use a SD Wi-Fi card (again, not originally possible due to
    SPCS, but the ability was actually there from day-one).


    > From what I understand
    > from my friends, that's not possible with the 650; it requires
    > manually switching modes.
    >


    I don't know exactly what you meant by "manually switching modes." But I
    do know that DUN works with the Treo 650 (after updating it) via
    Bluetooth. I've seen it in action. Am I missing something here? I even
    have friends with Macs that use their Treo 650s as modems via BT. I have
    never heard them complain about having to switch modes (ditto for my
    PC/Treo 650-using friends).


    > (I expected to switch to the 650 as soon as I heard about it long
    > ago. I've been quite disappointed by it.)
    >


    I guess different strokes...


    >> I haven't missed it. AAMOF, I had turned off the AMPS use on my
    >> Kyocera and never noticed a change of usability.

    >

    <snip>
    >
    > I'll learn to live without AMPS but I want some great new
    > capabilities in return.


    Call me crazy, but I think a 10x faster CPU, lighted thumb-board, much
    higher resolution/color-depth screen, much higher data-transfer speed,
    built-in Bluetooth, SD expansion slot, etc., etc. are pretty good
    capabilities in return for losing AMPS.

    What does fit your needs in an AMPS-less PDA phone?


    > A Treo would limit me way too much.


    Can you elaborate on that? I have been following the Treo 650 since late
    last year. Most all issues, including car connectivity, have either been
    addressed via firmware updates (some, very recently), or work-arounds.
    So, what limitations are you referring to?

    But like I said, different strokes...


    --
    Mike





  14. #14
    Aaron
    Guest

    Re: my Sprint saga


    "Kyler Laird" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "John Richards" <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    > >>>Not to play devil's advocate, but if you now 'accidentally' drop
    > >>>the phone, will the insurance then pay for a replacement?
    > >>
    > >> Yeah, it's already been suggested (by Sprint people) that I report
    > >> that I lost it. Although I also figured out that option, it's not
    > >> one I'm willing to use. I shouldn't have to lie to my provider to
    > >> get decent service.

    >
    > >What's the point of paying for insurance if you're not going
    > >to get the insurer to pony up when the handset dies?

    >
    > It's useful when *I* screw up. It also worked (for $50) when the
    > connector for the cradle flaked out. My Dad damaged his phone and
    > the insurance replaced it.
    >
    > I usually don't like to pay for insurance like this but it was
    > worthwhile to me to know that I'd be able to keep these phones going.
    > So much for that.
    >
    > --kyler



    stop whining and get the insurance to give you a new phone. maybe you did do
    something to cause the phone to fail and you didnt notice.






  15. #15
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: my Sprint saga

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:39:13 -0700,
    "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Kyler Laird wrote:
    >> Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> writes:
    >>> See if you can find a Kyocera 7135.

    >>
    >> Interesting. I hadn't looked at that. Thank you.
    >>
    >>> Other than the lack of AMPS, why don't you want a Treo?

    >>
    >> If I'm going to switch to an all-digital phone I want a Bluetooth
    >> device that I can use for lots of purposes. One of the things I
    >> want to be able to do is easily use DUN.

    >
    >I'm a little puzzled here. Once you apply the update, the Treo 650's BT
    >DUN profile becomes active. Is applying the patch what you meant by not
    >being easy?
    >
    >You can also use a SD Wi-Fi card (again, not originally possible due to
    >SPCS, but the ability was actually there from day-one).
    >
    >> From what I understand
    >> from my friends, that's not possible with the 650; it requires
    >> manually switching modes.

    >
    >I don't know exactly what you meant by "manually switching modes." But I
    >do know that DUN works with the Treo 650 (after updating it) via
    >Bluetooth. I've seen it in action. Am I missing something here? I even
    >have friends with Macs that use their Treo 650s as modems via BT. I have
    >never heard them complain about having to switch modes (ditto for my
    >PC/Treo 650-using friends).


    You do in fact have to switch modes. Worse, the Bluetooth function in the
    Treo 650 is buggy, forgetting pairing, DUN appearing and disappearing. After
    struggling with it on two different computers and two different Bluetooth
    dongles, I finally gave up and switched to the hotsync cable.

    >> (I expected to switch to the 650 as soon as I heard about it long
    >> ago. I've been quite disappointed by it.)

    >
    >I guess different strokes...


    I find it a great concept that's marred by some unfortunate flaws.

    >What does fit your needs in an AMPS-less PDA phone?


    Seamless operation and solid reliability.

    >> A Treo would limit me way too much.

    >
    >Can you elaborate on that? I have been following the Treo 650 since late
    >last year. Most all issues, including car connectivity, have either been
    >addressed via firmware updates (some, very recently), or work-arounds.
    >...


    IMHO the work-arounds are too painful for a device that expensive.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



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