phone as modem

>Since you're now back on subject, I'll respond.

You also responded when you declared me off subject.

You'll respond when I tell you to.


>No, actually, it doesn't. You have to purchase additional hardware. The data cable.
>You need drivers that are not provided in-box.


Why do you assume that one needs a data cable to use a phone as a modem
through DUN?


>All of which may be easy to obtain, but that's still not out-of-the-box
>functionality.


If you have a bluetooth enable phone, and a blutoothe enabled laptop,
it indeed works straight out-of-the-box.


>Which, again, was the point of my response.

Which was erroneous.


>You said you expected it to work out of the box.


It does.


>It doesn't, even if it's not hard to achieve afterwards.


It does. In roughly three minutes.



>Thus, it's not a relevant point to the *original* discussion, which was about whether >Sprint supports this or not.


Sprint doesn't "support" anything IMHO, beyond "remove the battery".



>And yet you won't list them. Why is that again?

1) To see if you REALLY don't realize they exist or if you are just
pretending (hopefully the latter for crying out loud).

2) I personally don't dig people who use them as a modem without the
appropriate data plan. They saturate the network for those of us that
want to use the Palm/PDA data. People tend to abuse such things, so I
would prefer it not coming up in a Google Groups search.

If you don't believe they exist, then those who are reading this that
know that they do might question your supposed authority on other
issues. If you were Tier 2 support, frankly it supports what I
believed long ago.

"Support" = "Remove the battery"


> If it's in the advertising, or in the manual, you can BET that Sprint has read it. So
>what makes you think it's such an all-fired secret?


I never said it was. I know lots of people who use it. But Sprint
doesn't know that Treo 300/600's have non-removable batteries, so I
doubt they know which phones come out of the box with Bluetooth dialup
DUN either.

Sprint reps know little to nothing about the handsets they sell.


>Perhaps because it's NOT in the phones' materials, but in third party
>ones? Sure seems so, based on your baseless reticence.

I OWN a phone where it walks you through step by step how to set up the
DUN via Bluetooth right in the manual. Right in the Manual with a
Sprint logo in the cover.

I do not use it for this purpose, but it's right there in black and
white.

So much for "baseless reticence".

You are just ignorant of the products the Sprint is selling.

Never ascribe to malice on the part of others that can be explained
through your own ignorance.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> 1) To see if you REALLY don't realize they exist or if you are just
> pretending (hopefully the latter for crying out loud).
>

You made the claim. Back it up with proof. Where is it listed in the
materials? You CLAIM two phones list it. Which two?

That seems to be something beyond your ken. When one makes a claim, one
is expected to be able to provide the proof to back it up.

So back up the claim you're making: that at least two phones list use as
a modem in their materials.

--
RØß
O/Siris
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A thing moderately good
is not so good as it ought to be.
Moderation in temper is always a virtue,
but moderation in principle is always a vice.
+Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man", 1792+

>You made the claim. Back it up with proof. Where is it listed in the
>materials? You CLAIM two phones list it. Which two?

Oh heck, if you are going to call me a liar, let's put our money where
are mouths are this time instead of just swinging our dicks calling
each other's bluff. It is so anti-climactic to prove someone wrong on
Usenet. I never made a thin dime from it, and it's forgotten as soon
as the next flameworthy thread is started.

Therefore, let's not do that.

Instead, let's wager $10,000. I will scan the manual pages of my phone
(with "Sprint" prominently displayed on the cover of the manual) where
it walks you through step by step how to set up DUN though Bluetooth
.... namely the chapter where it says "Using Wireless Modem".

I will also send you the manual to keep. We can use one of the online
escrow services.

I want something tangible out of being right in these little pissing
contests with you. Let's deal with this like men with the courage to
stand behind our statements, and be duly compensated for accuracy.

Is that acceptable to you?


>So back up the claim you're making: that at least two phones list use as
>a modem in their materials.


I agree that it is time to put up or shut up. So let's get this on the
road. Are you in for 10 large?

FWIW wrote:
>> You made the claim. Back it up with proof. Where is it listed in
>> the materials? You CLAIM two phones list it. Which two?

> Oh heck, if you are going to call me a liar, let's put our money where
> are mouths are this time instead of just swinging our dicks calling
> each other's bluff.

Rob's been here a lot longer than you have, and he's provided extremely
helpful information here -- for everybody --- for a number of years.
So, Mr. "Swinging our dicks" (my, what a classy phrase), do we have just
a testosterone problem here?

Why don't you just say what the two phones the two phones are and leave
it at that?

--
da
~~

>Rob's been here a lot longer than you have, and he's provided extremely
>helpful information here -- for everybody --- for a number of years.
>So, Mr. "Swinging our dicks" (my, what a classy phrase), do we have just
>a testosterone problem here?

"For everybody"? You've overdone it a bit, no?

Oh I have been here for about as long as Rob has and I know that Rob
has his fans and an equal amount of people that don't like him ... much
like everyone has such people online.

He has provided some good information, he has at times defended the
indefensible and blamed the customer.

But I don't know whatsoever this has anything at all to do with the
issue at hand.


>Why don't you just say what the two phones the two phones are and leave
>it at that?


Because I would rather post the two phones and get $10,000.

Wouldn't you?

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Because I would rather post the two phones and get $10,000.
>
> Wouldn't you?
>

Actually, because you don't have the proof you claim to have.

As usual.

--
RØß
O/Siris
-+-
A thing moderately good
is not so good as it ought to be.
Moderation in temper is always a virtue,
but moderation in principle is always a vice.
+Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man", 1792+

FWIW wrote:
>> You made the claim. Back it up with proof. Where is it listed in
>> the materials? You CLAIM two phones list it. Which two?
>
> Oh heck, if you are going to call me a liar, let's put our money where
> are mouths are this time instead of just swinging our dicks calling
> each other's bluff. It is so anti-climactic to prove someone wrong on
> Usenet. I never made a thin dime from it, and it's forgotten as soon
> as the next flameworthy thread is started.
>
> Therefore, let's not do that.
>
> Instead, let's wager $10,000.

OK, I assume most people here are aware of the LG PM-325, and that it
contains Bluetooth as well as the DUN profile. Some might remember the
limited-release Sony Ericsson T608 that offered it as well. But besides
those two phones--and obviously not counting PDA phones--I know of no
other SPCS phone that offers Bluetooth DUN capability out-of-box.

So besides the LG, what other phone currently being sold does offer
this? Granted, my (new) Treo 650's manual clearly describes setting up a
Bluetooth DUN connection (the manual even provides additional
troubleshooting help). But I don't really consider the Treo a regular
phone.

So, can I at least get $5K?


--
Mike

>Actually, because you don't have the proof you claim to have.


Then collect your $10,000 if I cannot!

Are you dodging the wager?

If you are that confiden that I have no proof, then good gracious man,
take your free money!

If I can't produce, you get paid. Why bother arguing on a Usenet
thread when you can paid if I cannot product proof?

Is $10,000 not enough? Is it chump change for you? Fine, then. Name
your wager.

Come on, man. No more bluffing. Show us all how confident you are in
your assertions. Talk is cheap.


>As usual.

As usual?

We have NEVER made a wager before.

Are you going to collect your cash, or front?

There are two escrows I could have lined up within 6 hours.

Say the word, and I don't produce proof within 1 day (giving Usenet
propogation due time), simply take your cash.

If you thought you were right, why would you not do this?

>So, can I at least get $5K?

Absolutely. But you don't get to "exclude" types of phones (ie. no
smart phone, pda's,or what have you). That is silly. Why not just
exclude every type of phone that doesn't have DUN built in to ensure a
victory?

The basic $99 plastic phones don't have it, but there arem indeed,
phones that do. And with the discounts, they are not terribly
expensive. And even the $99 phones now have web browsers (a $49 has
Netfront on it!!!) and PIM managers ... so those are, in effect, PDA's
and smartphones now. Albiet lessor ones.

No exclusions. We are talking any phone sold by Sprint to consumers in
which they can have DUN straight out of the box with no additional
purchases. And chatpers in the Sprint-branded material telling you
exactly how to do this.

And I will gladly kick you in for 5 large if you are still interested.

5 from you, 10 from Rob ... $15K for two stinking manual scans.

Heck, if either of you would like to make it more, I will gladly
accomodate.

Come on guys, let's do a Usenet first, let's make history .... people
actually backing up what they say with something tangible.

I'm willing. Are you? Is Rob?

(I don't think Rob will because I don't find him to be a man of
conviction in his beliefs, but would be thrilled to have him prove me
wrong)

FWIW wrote:
>> So, can I at least get $5K?
>
> Absolutely. But you don't get to "exclude" types of phones (ie. no
> smart phone, pda's,or what have you). That is silly. Why not just
> exclude every type of phone that doesn't have DUN built in to ensure a
> victory?
>

Huh? I thought I could get $5K for revealing at least one of the phones;
not by excluding one. But if we're gonna count the Treo 650 too,
shouldn't I get the whole enchilada? Well, since I ain't scanning my
Treo's colossal *356 page* printed manual (all in English!), a burrito
from Del Taco will suffice.


--
Mike

"Huh? I thought I could get $5K for revealing at least one of the
phones; "


We have to see if Rob accepts first.


"But if we're gonna count the Treo 650 too, shouldn't I get the whole
enchilada?"


Don't give answers before a bet is accepted, and don't spoil my wager
with Rob. He claims there are none. If you want contrary action to
your POV, that comes from Rob. I know the phones exist.


"Well, since I ain't scanning my Treo's colossal *356 page* printed
manual (all in English!), a burrito from Del Taco will suffice. "

Maybe Rob will agree to that, but I would prefer to put his expertise
and accusations to a higher level of proof than a Del Taco burrito.

You take the burrito, I'll take the 10K.

Why has he not agreed to the dang wager yet? Maybe he's busy preparing
the account to fund escrow. Maybe he's so wealthy that he is preparing
a higher counter-offer.

Well, have to see.

Uh, Rob?

How are we progressing on that 10 grand?

How about now, Rob? Any progress on the money?

There is 10 large with your name on it, just waiting to collect when
you prove I can't produce what I claim I can.

If you don't need it personally, you can donate it to charity.

Don't let this sure thing pass you by. We can make it 50K if you would
like.

Come on. man. Hurry up while the offer is on the table. The
opporunity for free money like this doesn't come along every day.

Yo' Rob, how are we coming on that cash?

You didn't find those phones on your own did you?

No, I wouldn't expect you to be man enough to admit that you were
wrong.

Even though that is clearly the case.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Come on guys, let's do a Usenet first,
>
The only "Usenet first" waiting to happen here is for you to back up
your claims with proof.

None so far.

As expected.

--
RØß
O/Siris
-+-
A thing moderately good
is not so good as it ought to be.
Moderation in temper is always a virtue,
but moderation in principle is always a vice.
+Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man", 1792+