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  1. #16
    Tinman
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    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    Bob Smith wrote:
    > "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Bob Smith wrote:
    >>> "Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    <snip>
    >>
    >>> Since SPCS first introduced
    >>> Vision, they haven't officially supported teathered use.

    >>
    >> Wrooooooong. I bought an official brandy-new connection kit for my
    >> Sanyo 4900 when Vision was launched. Not only was it supported, I
    >> was told to go ahead and use it as much as possible, as there would
    >> be no metering for the first month or two (the original Vision plan
    >> gave something like 2 MB per month).

    >
    > I stand corrected, that they did, when they introduced the 4900, as
    > that was the very first phone released that was Vision capable.


    Yep, and I had it before the official Vision launch (but not the
    connection kit).


    >>>
    >>> Say what? Have you been hit with any additional $0.01/Kb changes on
    >>> your bill on that casual use yet? It appears that they have
    >>> accommodated quite a few of us casual users, who don't try to
    >>> replace our regular ISP service with Vision and tethered phones.
    >>>

    >>
    >> The discussion is about what might come in the future, not what has
    >> happened in the past; nor what is currently happening now.

    >
    > Actually, it's both. Do you see Power Vision listed in the subject
    > line?


    No, but the only way that I am able to even see the Phone as Modem
    plan--at Sprint's Website--is by "shopping" and then choosing an EV-DO
    compatible device.


    > Joe brought up his prior experiences of regular
    > tethered Vision casual usage.
    >


    I know; as have others. But, in my case, I'm wondering about the
    future--not the past.


    >> I'm also not sure Notan's brochure is correct, or at least is
    >> consistent with the Website. Sprint's Website has been updated to
    >> include the Phone as Modem plan. But it seems to indicate that once
    >> you go with that plan--indeed it literally states you must have that
    >> plan if you have a connection kit or "device" capable of being used
    >> as a modem--that you no longer have unlimited Vision. One might take
    >> that to mean on the handset too:
    >> http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popu...etAsModem.html

    >
    > I hadn't seen that web page previously. It's a bit confusing,


    Sprint's entire Website is confusing. I'm beginning to wonder if it's
    run by a 6-year-old with ADHD.

    The only way I was able to get to the above page was *after* starting a
    new order (not on my account). I then *had* to add one of the (two?)
    EV-DO phones to my shopping cart. It didn't matter that I gave my
    location, bogusly, as Barstow, CA--which has no Power Vision coverage
    (nor planned, according to the map)--my only option was to choose a
    Power Vision plan. These are the four pop-ups associated with the Power
    Vision Packs:

    Power Vision Ultimate Pack ($25):
    http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popu...nUltimate.html

    Power Vision Plus Pack ($20):
    http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popu...isionPlus.html

    Power Vision Access Pack ($15):
    http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popu...ionAccess.html

    Sprint Phone as Modem Pack ($25):
    http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popu...etAsModem.html

    If I choose a non-EV-DO phone (but still a Vision phone--and I *must*
    empty my shopping cart first, if I had previously added an EV-DO phone),
    I get the following choices instead:

    Sprint PCS Vision Plus Pack ($15):
    http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popu...isionPlus.html

    Sprint PCS Vision Access Pack ($10):
    http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popu...ionAccess.html

    All of the above choices are offered regardless of the plan type I
    choose.

    And please note that even the above (non-Power) Vision pop-ups contain
    this disclaimer:
    "Sprint PCS Vision Packs are not available with Sprint PCS Connection
    Cards, Sprint PCS Connection Kits or other devices that can be used as a
    modem."

    The Power Vision Packs contain a nearly exact disclaimer, with the term
    PCS replaced by Power:
    "Sprint Power Vision Packs are not available with Sprint PCS Connection
    Cards, Sprint PCS Connection Kits or other devices that can be used as a
    modem."


    >>
    >> Also, Notan quoted the brochure as stating the Phone as Modem Pack
    >> includes the Vision Ultimate Pack. But the Vision Ultimate Pack and
    >> Phone as Modem Pack are both priced at $25. I'm guessing there's a
    >> difference. To me, and I might be wrong, this means that you can
    >> utilize Vision Ultimate Pack features with a Phone as Modem Pack.
    >> But your data--tethered or not--is capped at 40 MB (above that is by
    >> the KB). So my take is that Sprint are *not* really updating their
    >> system to
    >> track tethered Vs. phone data. Instead they are just treating data
    >> as data, as they always have (and they have been able to meter it
    >> for some time now). But now they (might? will?) insist on a Phone as
    >> Modem Pack if your phone is modem capable (either by buying a
    >> connection kit, or the phone has built-in Bluetooth). For all I know
    >> the new connection kits may be the only way to tether, say, with the
    >> newer Sanyo phones (assuming that is even possible).
    >>
    >> Will they force people who already have Bluetooth phones onto the
    >> Phone as Modem Pack plan? Will they kill-off the grandfathered
    >> Vision plans that some of us have if we happen to own a Bluetooth
    >> phone? Time will tell.

    >
    > Well, there is only one or two "bluetooth" phones that can be
    > configured to be used to connect to the laptop to get on line. The
    > rest of the "bluetooth" phones are only capable of using a handsfree
    > wireless headset.


    What "rest of the Bluetooth" phones? I'm aware of the LG PM-325 (DUN
    enabled), the Treo 650 (DUN enabled), and the Sony Ericsson T608 (DUN
    enabled too). What are the others (that aren't DUN enabled, and are
    Vision phones)?

    And, technically, all of my phones, not just my Treo 650, "can be used
    as a modem." (Besides connection cards, which are explicitly mentioned,
    what other "devices" can be used as modems?)


    >>
    >>> In the time inbetween, again ... I ask, have you been charged
    >>> additional fees for your casual usage?
    >>>

    >>
    >> Why aren't you comprehending that the discussion is about the future
    >> and not the past?

    >
    > Again, I point out to you that Joe was talking about the past in this
    > thread.
    >


    I think most of us casual "tetherers" are well-aware of the past. It's
    the future that, in my case, has me wondering--and I suspect you too,
    Bob. There are clear indicators that the past is not a good indicator of
    the future. We can't be sure, but the past is still the past.

    My concern is not so much about paying $5-$10 for 500 KB of data every
    few months; if that. I'm concerned about the aforementioned Sprint
    disclaimers, and what that means to my Vision plan in general. I also
    just bought a Treo 650, which according to Sprint's Website (at least at
    this moment), cannot utilize Vision at all with because it can be used
    as a modem.

    I'm also concerned that the modem plan might cap your data, tethered or
    on-phone, at 40 MB per month (charging extra for overage). It seems odd
    that you can buy a $20 unlimited Power Vision plan, stream TV/audio to
    your heart's content and not get charged a dime extra (for now).

    OTOH, Sprint has a history of allowing old plans to continue without
    change. But even if they do that now--and I suspect they will--I am
    still concerned that the ride will be over when I need to buy a new
    handset (when Power Vision phones are the only options, should you want
    a data-capable phone).


    >>
    >> In addition, if Sprint is not going to overlay Power Vision (EV-DO)
    >> *everywhere* Vision exists--as has been reported here--I believe it
    >> will come back and bite them. Indeed if I find out, once the
    >> roll-out is complete, that there are gaping holes in EV-DO coverage
    >> Vs. 1xRTT I myself might be look for a carrier that offers (true)
    >> high-speed data in more locations than Sprint.
    >>
    >> As usual, YMMV.

    >
    > Oh, you can expect holes in coverage, as there are now with voice and
    > vision usage in certain areas within current coverage areas. Deep
    > inside bldgs, high in tall skyscrapers, and in fringe coverage areas.


    Naturally, I would expect those kinds of gaps.

    But what I was referring to was the report that Sprint will not be
    upgrading EV-DO to the same degree they upgraded to 1xRTT. While I've
    only read that here, it came from Paul Miner, whose info IMO is
    generally reliable. In the New Coverage Maps thread he wrote:
    "This all comes about and only becomes an issue because EV-DO is not
    planned to be a complete overlay to 1xRTT. It's currently being rolled
    out to cover selected (and large) US airports, followed by selected
    metro business districts, and finally selected metro residential areas.
    When EV-DO rollout is complete, there will be substantial areas where
    EV-DO (and therefore the benefits of Power Vision) will not be
    available."

    I take that to mean that even after the EV-DO rollout is complete, it
    won't cover all the 1xRTT areas. This is supported by the fact that the
    coverage maps show HUGE gaps in EV-DO coverage compared to 1xRTT. And
    the "Future Sprint Power Vision Coverage Area" sections are miniscule,
    at best.

    If the above is true, and I find out that the areas--areas that I travel
    to--not covered via EV-DO by Sprint are covered by another high-speed
    carrier, it might cause me to switch. I'm already not happy with what I
    see--or rather don't see--on the coverage maps.

    I guess I agree that Sprint is acting schizophrenically (or they have a
    MPD). What about the interstates? You pull over to use Power Vision and
    find out??? It doesn't work? Works at a snail's pace? And not everyone
    is the driver--no doubt passengers will be using phones. Perhaps they
    won't like that live TV via Power Vision evaporates at the
    city-limit--or degrades to a slideshow.

    All at a time when high-speed cellular services are being noticed by
    more than just techno-nerds. As I write this, a talking head on Fox News
    is touting the new Razr-like Samsung IP-A790 Power Vision phone (now
    listed on Sprint's Website). He's claiming Power Vision is the best "3G"
    network in the USA. And the guy is from some men's style Website, not a
    Sprint or Samsung rep.

    On one hand Sprint's Website touts Power Vision as if it's Vision's
    replacement: it's all I see when I enter the site (I can't even find the
    "old" Vision stuff). But then their coverage maps clearly show it's not
    even close to a replacement for Vision.

    One of the things I liked about the upgrade to 1xRTT was that it was
    pretty much going to be everywhere (and it was rolled out, after
    officially launched, broadly). Had Sprint rolled out Vision as they
    appear to be rolling out Power Vision, I probably wouldn't be with them
    today.

    As usual, IMHO, YMMV, etc.


    --
    Mike





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  2. #17
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    Tinman wrote:
    Correction:
    > As I write this, a talking head on Fox
    > News is touting the new Razr-like Samsung IP-A790 Power Vision phone
    > (now listed on Sprint's Website). He's claiming Power Vision is the
    > best "3G" network in the USA. And the guy is from some men's style
    > Website, not a Sprint or Samsung rep.
    >


    The phone being shown was the Samsung A900, not the IP-A790, While the
    IP-A790 is available now, the A900--according to the guy demo'ing
    it--will be available this coming Friday.


    --
    Mike





  3. #18
    Joseph Huber
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:07:55 GMT, "Bob Smith" wrote
    >["Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote:]
    >I received that same flyer with my most recent bill. The services offered in
    >that brochure are for phone usage. I did not see word one for tethered
    >usage. Again, how do you define casual usage, before additional data charges
    >are applied? A certain amount of minutes on line during the data, a certain
    >amount of data up and downloaded?


    I would assume that Sprint has estimated how much Vision data the
    average Vision/Power Vision user will consume in one month, and has
    based the Vision pricing (i.e. the $20 monthly fee for the Power
    Vision Plus Pack) accordingly. My suggestion is to let me use this
    monthly amount of data how I want to use it. If I want blow it all
    watching Sprint TV Basic, then let me do that. If I want to blow it
    all on tethering my laptop, then let me do that. Data is data.

    My basic complaint with Vision pricing is that Sprint is using what I
    consider to be a "stick-it-to-the-businessperson" pricing model. For
    example, I have a three-hour layover at MSP and I want to tether my
    laptop to do some work. To not violate the TOS, I should be buying
    some kind of add-on data plan to cover this. The guy sitting next to
    me can be listening to Sirius Hits or watching Sprint TV on his phone,
    conceivably consuming much more bandwidth than me (who will be sending
    emails, web browsing, and maybe some VPN). His data usage is covered
    by the monthly plan, while mine isn't. It makes no technical sense to
    distinguish between data used for entertainment and data used for
    business, especially when, with a Power Vision phone, the
    entertainment data consumed by the phone could likely be using more
    bandwidth than the business data consumed by my tethered laptop.

    >Joe, you and I know that the those users who tether up now, will not only
    >use the services quoted in your above paragraph, but will tether up as well
    >with the new service.


    They might tether, unless it costs an arm + leg, and if Sprint doesn't
    disable the modem function in the Power Vision phones. It would be
    interesting to know what kind of bandwidth the full motion TV and
    Sirius unes take. I can only imagine a teeny-bopper using the phone
    to watch TV and listen to tunes for several hours a day. "Unlimited"
    Power Vision may have an inherent Pandora's box that will make the
    bandwith abuse of early Vision pale in comparison.
    Joe Huber
    [email protected]



  4. #19
    John R. Copeland
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > But what I was referring to was the report that Sprint will not be
    > upgrading EV-DO to the same degree they upgraded to 1xRTT. While I've
    > only read that here, it came from Paul Miner, whose info IMO is
    > generally reliable. In the New Coverage Maps thread he wrote:
    > "This all comes about and only becomes an issue because EV-DO is not
    > planned to be a complete overlay to 1xRTT. It's currently being rolled
    > out to cover selected (and large) US airports, followed by selected
    > metro business districts, and finally selected metro residential areas.
    > When EV-DO rollout is complete, there will be substantial areas where
    > EV-DO (and therefore the benefits of Power Vision) will not be
    > available."
    >
    > I take that to mean that even after the EV-DO rollout is complete, it
    > won't cover all the 1xRTT areas. This is supported by the fact that the
    > coverage maps show HUGE gaps in EV-DO coverage compared to 1xRTT. And
    > the "Future Sprint Power Vision Coverage Area" sections are miniscule,
    > at best.
    >
    > Mike
    >

    A long time ago, Sprint claimed their plans were to leapfrog directly to EV-DV,
    completely skipping the intermediate rollout of EV-DO.
    But that was going to take a few years.
    Possibly the competitive pressure of Verizon's current commitment to EV-DO
    forced them to alter that particular plan.

    One scenario for the future might allow for this present *partial* introduction
    of EV-DO to selected markets, easing the competitive pressure,
    while continuing with the original strategy of (eventually) leapfrogging to
    system-wide EV-DV.
    I realize that's wishful thinking on my part, but it *could* happen, couldn't it?




  5. #20
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE


    "Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    <snipped>
    > My basic complaint with Vision pricing is that Sprint is using what I
    > consider to be a "stick-it-to-the-businessperson" pricing model. For
    > example, I have a three-hour layover at MSP and I want to tether my
    > laptop to do some work. To not violate the TOS, I should be buying
    > some kind of add-on data plan to cover this. The guy sitting next to
    > me can be listening to Sirius Hits or watching Sprint TV on his phone,
    > conceivably consuming much more bandwidth than me (who will be sending
    > emails, web browsing, and maybe some VPN). His data usage is covered
    > by the monthly plan, while mine isn't. It makes no technical sense to
    > distinguish between data used for entertainment and data used for
    > business, especially when, with a Power Vision phone, the
    > entertainment data consumed by the phone could likely be using more
    > bandwidth than the business data consumed by my tethered laptop.


    Sure the other guy is covered and you may or may not be covered, as long as
    you have a Vision option on your plan. Per your prior posts though, your
    example of using MSP doesn't work. Didn't you say two messages ago that you
    would use more affordable Wi-Fi sources at airports and hotels?
    >
    >>Joe, you and I know that the those users who tether up now, will not only
    >>use the services quoted in your above paragraph, but will tether up as
    >>well
    >>with the new service.

    >
    > They might tether, unless it costs an arm + leg, and if Sprint doesn't
    > disable the modem function in the Power Vision phones. It would be
    > interesting to know what kind of bandwidth the full motion TV and
    > Sirius unes take. I can only imagine a teeny-bopper using the phone
    > to watch TV and listen to tunes for several hours a day. "Unlimited"
    > Power Vision may have an inherent Pandora's box that will make the
    > bandwith abuse of early Vision pale in comparison.
    > Joe Huber
    > [email protected]


    All we know of is one or two Sanyo phone models (pre-Power Vision) which
    don't have the capability of tethering, and even those models might be fixed
    with a firmware upgrade. As for PV, SPCS has already said they will do
    tethering plans, haven't they?

    As for that teeny booper you mention above, it ain't gonna be all day, as
    the battery will quit on it.

    Bob





  6. #21
    Joseph Huber
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:38:47 GMT, "Bob Smith" wrote:
    >Sure the other guy is covered and you may or may not be covered, as long as
    >you have a Vision option on your plan. Per your prior posts though, your
    >example of using MSP doesn't work. Didn't you say two messages ago that you
    >would use more affordable Wi-Fi sources at airports and hotels?


    The key there is "more affordable". If tethering were to be included
    in the $20/month Sprint Power Vision Plus package, then using Wi-Fi
    likely wouldn't be more economical than Power Vision. If I have to
    add some more $$ for for a tethering pack, Wi-Fi may be the more
    economical choice. Also, Wi-Fi is much faster than Vision; the speed
    difference won't be as noticeable with Power Vision (hopefully).

    Joe Huber
    [email protected]



  7. #22
    Jerome Zelinske
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    There are some areas that may do a bigger leap than that. Some areas
    have Sprint PCS but no Vision. Some of them may jump to evdv.

    John R. Copeland wrote:
    > "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>But what I was referring to was the report that Sprint will not be
    >>upgrading EV-DO to the same degree they upgraded to 1xRTT. While I've
    >>only read that here, it came from Paul Miner, whose info IMO is
    >>generally reliable. In the New Coverage Maps thread he wrote:
    >>"This all comes about and only becomes an issue because EV-DO is not
    >>planned to be a complete overlay to 1xRTT. It's currently being rolled
    >>out to cover selected (and large) US airports, followed by selected
    >>metro business districts, and finally selected metro residential areas.
    >>When EV-DO rollout is complete, there will be substantial areas where
    >>EV-DO (and therefore the benefits of Power Vision) will not be
    >>available."
    >>
    >>I take that to mean that even after the EV-DO rollout is complete, it
    >>won't cover all the 1xRTT areas. This is supported by the fact that the
    >>coverage maps show HUGE gaps in EV-DO coverage compared to 1xRTT. And
    >>the "Future Sprint Power Vision Coverage Area" sections are miniscule,
    >>at best.
    >>
    >>Mike
    >>

    >
    > A long time ago, Sprint claimed their plans were to leapfrog directly to EV-DV,
    > completely skipping the intermediate rollout of EV-DO.
    > But that was going to take a few years.
    > Possibly the competitive pressure of Verizon's current commitment to EV-DO
    > forced them to alter that particular plan.
    >
    > One scenario for the future might allow for this present *partial* introduction
    > of EV-DO to selected markets, easing the competitive pressure,
    > while continuing with the original strategy of (eventually) leapfrogging to
    > system-wide EV-DV.
    > I realize that's wishful thinking on my part, but it *could* happen, couldn't it?
    >




  8. #23
    TTMartin
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    Hi all,

    As a existing Verizon Wireless customer, and soon to be Sprint customer
    I find this thread almost humorous. I have been paying $45 per month
    for data service on my Kyocera 7135. Now this was supposed to be full
    1X service, but, the few times I did 'casual teathering' I found that
    infact Verizon had throttled back the speed to 28.2k.

    Sprint data service with nationwide voice coverage is by far the most
    reasonably priced. Since the Power Vision includes most of the
    functions I normally use I don't for see a lot of 'Phone as modem'
    usage. But, it's nice to know that 40Mb is included basically for
    'Free'.

    I'm looking forward to recieving my PPC-6700 tomorrow.

    Tom




  9. #24
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    TTMartin wrote:
    > Hi all,
    >
    > As a existing Verizon Wireless customer, and soon to be Sprint
    > customer I find this thread almost humorous.


    "Almost humorous?" Is that like almost pregnant?


    >
    > Sprint data service with nationwide voice coverage is by far the most
    > reasonably priced.


    And no one has said otherwise. However, many of us have "grandfathered"
    data plans. In my case that means I get unlimited Vision, as well as
    unlimited SMS, for "no charge" (it was part of the plan at the time).

    According to many reports, once you upgrade to an EV-DO device, you will
    be forced onto a Power Vision plan--even if you are a hundred miles away
    from the nearest EV-DO coverage. Some people have claimed you can jump
    up-and-down and demand to keep your old plan and it will work (others
    say Sprint just goes ahead and changes your plan anyway). The issue
    apparently involves a promo code field in Sprint's system: you can leave
    an expired code alone and it'll be fine. But if the CSR changes that
    code, as I believe they are prompted to do when activating an EV-DO
    device, there is NO WAY to get that back.

    So, in my case, I would end up paying the following extra charges each
    month:
    $15 Lowest Power Vision plan.
    $5 "Regular" Vision for 2nd phone (assuming they allow that).
    $5 "Regular" Vision for 3rd phone (assuming they allow that).
    $15 Unlimited SMS

    That's a total of $40 (plus taxes!) per month; probably more (as I might
    have to change my voice plan, since it's a combo Vision/Voice/SMS plan).
    And what do I get for that $40+ extra per month? EV-DO in a fraction of
    the areas I now get 1xRTT. You might find that humorous, but I don't.


    > Since the Power Vision includes most of the
    > functions I normally use I don't for see a lot of 'Phone as modem'


    I don't know if you meant to say "a PDA does most of the functions I
    normally use," but as far as Power Vision phones are concerned, you
    didn't buy one.

    The 6700 is an EV-DO PDA phone, not a Power Vision phone. Despite what
    even Sprint's Website says, it does not have the Power Vision stuff you
    see plastered all over Sprint's Website--not even Sprint TV. It does not
    have the same type of audio, video, email, news, sports and other "Power
    Vision" applications that all Power Vision phones will contain (and are
    already present in the Samsung A940).

    You can of course stream via other means, such as WM. You can also send
    whatever you like as an attachment via email. And obviously you can
    browse the Web with PIE, if you can stand it.

    But this is just typical Win Mob stuff, nothing that is truly Power
    Vision specific. I would assume TV and streaming audio will no doubt be
    addressed by third-parties--or even by Sprint, for a fee. This is
    similar to how MobiTV is now available for the Treo 650.


    > usage. But, it's nice to know that 40Mb is included basically for
    > 'Free'.
    >


    Apparently you signed up for the $25 Phone as Modem Pack. Did they
    explicitly tell you you had to get that plan? AFAIK, the 6700, unlike
    Power Vision phones, cannot differentiate between tethered and
    non-tethered data (I've read conflicting reports on this).

    Ethics aside, you probably could have gotten the $15 plan and still
    tethered--assuming it's an occasional thing. For sure, the "Ultimate
    Pack" features are useless on your device, so I see it as a wash
    (assuming they don't meter all data and begin charging after 40 MB; in
    which case the modem plan is a drawback). But I am curious if you chose
    the modem plan, or if Sprint chose it for you.

    Also, tethering via Bluetooth is limited to 115 kbps--but can apparently
    be dun (pun) without using wmodem. Obviously, USB is much faster (but I
    notice the same thing with my Treo--it's just not as much of a
    difference ^_^).


    > I'm looking forward to recieving my PPC-6700 tomorrow.
    >


    I tested one and it just wasn't for me. It's not really much bigger than
    my Treo, but it felt much more "square" and more PDA than phone (and my
    Treo 650 is already PDA-enough for my tastes). I also love the Treo's
    D-pad--I can do most anything with it. I admired the sliding keyboard,
    but couldn't see myself using it as I use my Treo's thumb-board now.

    Please note I am not into Palm Vs. PPC wars. I am a longtime user of
    both. Indeed I used to write for Microsoft's Pocket PC Website, when it
    first came out (fluff and evangelist stuff--yea, I have no pride).

    Good luck.


    --
    Mike | Marinate your ribs in bourbon before
    | barbecuing. The best way to do this is
    | by pouring the whiskey down your throat.





  10. #25
    O/Siris
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > While I'd love to see something along the lines of, if you use (unsubscribed)
    > data minutes they'll come out of your peak minutes bank, this is certainly
    > the next best thing. At least, now, there's no threat of Sprint discontinuing
    > service for (ab)use. The customer will just be billed, accordingly. At the
    > same time, I think it would behoove Sprint to inform *all* customers of this
    > change.
    >


    While I agree, the Terms *still* have the removal of service provisions
    in them. There is now a billing option for tethered usage, but the $10/
    $15 Vision "packs" can still disappear, exposing the user to the casual
    usage charges, if they don't sign up for a tethering package.

    --
    RØß
    O/Siris
    -+-
    A thing moderately good
    is not so good as it ought to be.
    Moderation in temper is always a virtue,
    but moderation in principle is always a vice.
    +Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man", 1792+



  11. #26
    Notan
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    O/Siris wrote:
    >
    > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > > While I'd love to see something along the lines of, if you use (unsubscribed)
    > > data minutes they'll come out of your peak minutes bank, this is certainly
    > > the next best thing. At least, now, there's no threat of Sprint discontinuing
    > > service for (ab)use. The customer will just be billed, accordingly. At the
    > > same time, I think it would behoove Sprint to inform *all* customers of this
    > > change.
    > >

    >
    > While I agree, the Terms *still* have the removal of service provisions
    > in them. There is now a billing option for tethered usage, but the $10/
    > $15 Vision "packs" can still disappear, exposing the user to the casual
    > usage charges, if they don't sign up for a tethering package.


    Just about *all* companies have a "We reserve the right to" clause.

    Let's keep our fingers crossed! <g>

    Notan



  12. #27
    Donkey Agony
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    John R. Copeland wrote:
    > One scenario for the future might allow for this present *partial*
    > introduction of EV-DO to selected markets, easing the competitive
    > pressure, while continuing with the original strategy of (eventually)
    > leapfrogging to system-wide EV-DV.


    Is EV-DV still on the agenda? If so, I'd venture that it's way in the
    future -- they seem to be having a hard time even getting EV-DO going.
    And EV-DO is only in selected markets -- you're not going to find it in
    many/most rural areas with 1xRTT for who-knows-how-long (if ever).
    *Especially* if they decide to go the WiMax route -- why bother with Yet
    Another Expensive Network Upgrade to EV-DV?

    (Sprint seems to be bleeding a lot of money at the moment, shelling out
    big bucks to buy "partners" that sue them. They don't have the deep
    pockets Verizon has, either. At least they're competing: if it weren't
    for Verizon -- with its constant television ads *touting* broadback
    access over the last year -- I doubt we would even have an EV-DO option
    at all. Or any "tethered" plans...)

    It will be real interesting to see what happens when the WiMax Mobile
    wave hits. If it does turn out to be tenable, Qualcomm could start
    losing a lot of royalty income from CDMA...


    --
    da
    ~~





  13. #28
    Donkey Agony
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    Paul Miner wrote:
    >> Is EV-DV still on the agenda? If so, I'd venture that it's way in
    >> the future -- they seem to be having a hard time even getting EV-DO
    >> going.


    > I'm curious...a hard time in what way?


    There was some discussion of this not long ago here (maybe even this
    thread? dunno). I'm not familiar with the details, but the gist is that
    unlike the upgrade to 1xRTT which was a system-wide upgrade, they are
    releasing EV-DO piecemeal to "select markets" only, and -- at least from
    what I understand -- is something of an "overlay" over the existing
    network.

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    da
    ~~





  14. #29
    Donkey Agony
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    Paul Miner wrote:
    >>>> Is EV-DV still on the agenda? If so, I'd venture that it's way in
    >>>> the future -- they seem to be having a hard time even getting EV-DO
    >>>> going.


    >>> I'm curious...a hard time in what way?


    >> There was some discussion of this not long ago here (maybe even this
    >> thread? dunno). I'm not familiar with the details, but the gist is
    >> that unlike the upgrade to 1xRTT which was a system-wide upgrade,
    >> they are releasing EV-DO piecemeal to "select markets" only, and --
    >> at least from what I understand -- is something of an "overlay" over
    >> the existing network.


    > Oh, you're quoting me! <g>




    > What you remembered is correct, but it
    > doesn't indicate any difficulty regarding the EV-DO rollout. EV-DO
    > coverage is intentionally a subset of 1xRTT coverage, so the fact that
    > it's ending up that way means it's going according to plan.


    Is it a matter of just an extra "box" in existing 1xRTT towers?

    If so, I guess that would explain Sprint's reluctance to put it
    everywhere. "Country bumkins don't need no broadband nohow."
    Especially when it cuts into the $$$ you're spending to acquire and/or
    merge with other companies.

    Is EV-DV also a 1xRTT subset?

    > In fact, I believe the rollout is even slightly ahead of schedule.


    But they're way behind Verizon's...

    --
    da
    ~~





  15. #30
    Jerome Zelinske
    Guest

    Re: Phone As A Modem - UPDATE

    Vision is almost, but not completely system wide.



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