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  1. #1
    DecTxCowboy
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    [cross posted in Sprint and Cingular NGs]

    I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint coverage area in
    North Texas and may have to consider switching over to Cingular.
    Apparently Sprint lost its analog roaming partnership in that area as
    there is NO coverage indicated on the map now and driving around in the
    area confirms the extent of coverage loss - something like 60 miles
    across and 20 miles wide. So looking at Cingular and dump Sprint, sans
    the ETF.

    The Motorola V557 appears to fit my needs - it had EDGE capacity for
    tethered laptop access using the $24/month plan for unlimited data added
    to your voice plan, camera (a VERY useful function, its not just a toy),
    speakerphone, and Bluetooth (once you use a wireless earpiece, you never
    go back to the wires).

    Am I going to run into any unanticipated unknown issues here?



    See More: Moving from Sprint to Cingular




  2. #2
    Notan
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    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    DecTxCowboy wrote:
    >
    > [cross posted in Sprint and Cingular NGs]
    >
    > I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint coverage area in
    > North Texas and may have to consider switching over to Cingular.
    > Apparently Sprint lost its analog roaming partnership in that area as
    > there is NO coverage indicated on the map now and driving around in the
    > area confirms the extent of coverage loss - something like 60 miles
    > across and 20 miles wide. So looking at Cingular and dump Sprint, sans
    > the ETF.
    >
    > The Motorola V557 appears to fit my needs - it had EDGE capacity for
    > tethered laptop access using the $24/month plan for unlimited data added
    > to your voice plan, camera (a VERY useful function, its not just a toy),
    > speakerphone, and Bluetooth (once you use a wireless earpiece, you never
    > go back to the wires).
    >
    > Am I going to run into any unanticipated unknown issues here?


    Care to give an example of an "unanticipated unknown issue?" <g>

    Notan



  3. #3
    DecTxCowboy
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    Notan wrote:
    > DecTxCowboy wrote:
    >>Am I going to run into any unanticipated unknown issues here?

    >
    >
    > Care to give an example of an "unanticipated unknown issue?" <g>
    >
    > Notan


    Umm...a newer plan that isn't on the websites yet that won't let me do
    unlimited tethered access? Replacement phone plan no longer covers dog
    chewing up the phone.

    Pic of my partner's Blackberry after dog got hold of it.
    http://tinyurl.com/3vj28



  4. #4
    stevie
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    what part on n tx are you refering to as 'lost'? i'm interested because i'm
    in n tx also.
    "DecTxCowboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:2J5gf.21219$q%[email protected]
    [cross posted in Sprint and Cingular NGs]

    I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint coverage area in
    North Texas and may have to consider switching over to Cingular.
    Apparently Sprint lost its analog roaming partnership in that area as
    there is NO coverage indicated on the map now and driving around in the
    area confirms the extent of coverage loss - something like 60 miles
    across and 20 miles wide. So looking at Cingular and dump Sprint, sans
    the ETF.

    The Motorola V557 appears to fit my needs - it had EDGE capacity for
    tethered laptop access using the $24/month plan for unlimited data added
    to your voice plan, camera (a VERY useful function, its not just a toy),
    speakerphone, and Bluetooth (once you use a wireless earpiece, you never
    go back to the wires).

    Am I going to run into any unanticipated unknown issues here?





  5. #5
    DecTxCowboy
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    stevie wrote:
    > what part on n tx are you refering to as 'lost'? i'm interested because i'm
    > in n tx also.


    This is what I emailed to Sprint:

    The area with no coverage is 60 miles across and 20 miles wide. From
    Olney, TX (76374) and Throckmorton (76483) to the west, through Graham,
    TX (76450) and over to 15 miles east of Jacksboro (76458).

    This shows the mapped out area. White is the no coverage and the yellow
    outline is where I use my phone.
    http://www.telecomanddata.com/sprint...age_loss_1.jpg

    I used to have solid analog coverage in that area when I renewed my plan

    In January, but noticed no coverage a few months ago and pretty much
    determined the scope of the are since then.

    Sprint's response.........

    An exact date the launch of Sprint services in this area cannot be
    obtained. This is because Sprint thoroughly tests the competence of
    coverage and network strength before launching the services in a new
    area, and this process is time-consuming.

    When we will launch services in this area, numerous promotional offers

    To improve our network performance and coverage, we are enhancing the
    network this year by taking the following steps:
    1. Committing to a $2.1 billion capital-spending program, which
    encompasses network expansion, improved network capacity and
    performance;
    2. Signing up to add 1,700 new cell sites on air;
    3. Embarking on a multi-year campaign to acquire and build additional
    cell sites; and
    4. Improving in-home, in-office and public venue coverage.

    ------------------

    Riiiggggghhhhttttttt......





  6. #6
    Mij Adyaw
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    Sprint should eat the ETF since they dropped coverage in an area where you
    need coverage.

    "DecTxCowboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:2J5gf.21219$q%[email protected]
    > [cross posted in Sprint and Cingular NGs]
    >
    > I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint coverage area in
    > North Texas and may have to consider switching over to Cingular.
    > Apparently Sprint lost its analog roaming partnership in that area as
    > there is NO coverage indicated on the map now and driving around in the
    > area confirms the extent of coverage loss - something like 60 miles across
    > and 20 miles wide. So looking at Cingular and dump Sprint, sans the ETF.
    >
    > The Motorola V557 appears to fit my needs - it had EDGE capacity for
    > tethered laptop access using the $24/month plan for unlimited data added
    > to your voice plan, camera (a VERY useful function, its not just a toy),
    > speakerphone, and Bluetooth (once you use a wireless earpiece, you never
    > go back to the wires).
    >
    > Am I going to run into any unanticipated unknown issues here?






  7. #7
    stevie
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    this doesn't affect me-i live further east.

    but it sounds like Sprint gave you the usual BS.

    are you not able to roam on another carrier's cell site? i thought that is
    what roaming was for.
    "DecTxCowboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:EO6gf.21450$q%[email protected]
    stevie wrote:
    > what part on n tx are you refering to as 'lost'? i'm interested because
    > i'm
    > in n tx also.


    This is what I emailed to Sprint:

    The area with no coverage is 60 miles across and 20 miles wide. From
    Olney, TX (76374) and Throckmorton (76483) to the west, through Graham,
    TX (76450) and over to 15 miles east of Jacksboro (76458).

    This shows the mapped out area. White is the no coverage and the yellow
    outline is where I use my phone.
    http://www.telecomanddata.com/sprint...age_loss_1.jpg

    I used to have solid analog coverage in that area when I renewed my plan

    In January, but noticed no coverage a few months ago and pretty much
    determined the scope of the are since then.

    Sprint's response.........

    An exact date the launch of Sprint services in this area cannot be
    obtained. This is because Sprint thoroughly tests the competence of
    coverage and network strength before launching the services in a new
    area, and this process is time-consuming.

    When we will launch services in this area, numerous promotional offers

    To improve our network performance and coverage, we are enhancing the
    network this year by taking the following steps:
    1. Committing to a $2.1 billion capital-spending program, which
    encompasses network expansion, improved network capacity and
    performance;
    2. Signing up to add 1,700 new cell sites on air;
    3. Embarking on a multi-year campaign to acquire and build additional
    cell sites; and
    4. Improving in-home, in-office and public venue coverage.

    ------------------

    Riiiggggghhhhttttttt......






  8. #8
    DecTxCowboy
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    stevie wrote:
    > but it sounds like Sprint gave you the usual BS.


    You are sooooooo correct.



  9. #9
    Jerome Zelinske
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    It sounds like there was no loss of Sprint PCS coverage. Sprint PCS is
    all digital, no analog. Roaming has never been and not likely to ever
    be stable.


    DecTxCowboy wrote:
    > [cross posted in Sprint and Cingular NGs]
    >
    > I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint coverage area in
    > North Texas and may have to consider switching over to Cingular.
    > Apparently Sprint lost its analog roaming partnership in that area as
    > there is NO coverage indicated on the map now and driving around in the
    > area confirms the extent of coverage loss - something like 60 miles
    > across and 20 miles wide. So looking at Cingular and dump Sprint, sans
    > the ETF.
    >
    > The Motorola V557 appears to fit my needs - it had EDGE capacity for
    > tethered laptop access using the $24/month plan for unlimited data added
    > to your voice plan, camera (a VERY useful function, its not just a toy),
    > speakerphone, and Bluetooth (once you use a wireless earpiece, you never
    > go back to the wires).
    >
    > Am I going to run into any unanticipated unknown issues here?




  10. #10
    Jerome Zelinske
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    Looks like a fair sized portion of that triangle has no coverage at all.


    DecTxCowboy wrote:
    > stevie wrote:
    >
    >> what part on n tx are you refering to as 'lost'? i'm interested
    >> because i'm in n tx also.

    >
    >
    > This is what I emailed to Sprint:
    >
    > The area with no coverage is 60 miles across and 20 miles wide. From
    > Olney, TX (76374) and Throckmorton (76483) to the west, through Graham,
    > TX (76450) and over to 15 miles east of Jacksboro (76458).
    >
    > This shows the mapped out area. White is the no coverage and the yellow
    > outline is where I use my phone.
    > http://www.telecomanddata.com/sprint...age_loss_1.jpg
    >
    > I used to have solid analog coverage in that area when I renewed my plan
    >
    > In January, but noticed no coverage a few months ago and pretty much
    > determined the scope of the are since then.
    >
    > Sprint's response.........
    >
    > An exact date the launch of Sprint services in this area cannot be
    > obtained. This is because Sprint thoroughly tests the competence of
    > coverage and network strength before launching the services in a new
    > area, and this process is time-consuming.
    >
    > When we will launch services in this area, numerous promotional offers
    >
    > To improve our network performance and coverage, we are enhancing the
    > network this year by taking the following steps:
    > 1. Committing to a $2.1 billion capital-spending program, which
    > encompasses network expansion, improved network capacity and
    > performance;
    > 2. Signing up to add 1,700 new cell sites on air;
    > 3. Embarking on a multi-year campaign to acquire and build additional
    > cell sites; and
    > 4. Improving in-home, in-office and public venue coverage.
    >
    > ------------------
    >
    > Riiiggggghhhhttttttt......
    >
    >




  11. #11
    DecTxCowboy
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    Jerome Zelinske wrote:
    > It sounds like there was no loss of Sprint PCS coverage. Sprint PCS
    > is all digital, no analog. Roaming has never been and not likely to
    > ever be stable.


    No...never said there was a loss of Sprint PCS network coverage.

    Its obvious they lost a roaming agreement. Its obvious it was analog
    agreement (I always dropped into analog roming).

    The fact that they showed it on their maps at one time and I based my
    renewal on their maps, one could sucessfully argue it was Sprint
    coverage (even though we all know it was a partnership).






  12. #12
    Mij Adyaw
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    Nevertheless, Sprint is still responsible for their maps and the service
    that are represented by the maps regardless of whether the coverage is
    native or roaming.

    "DecTxCowboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:CTcgf.21561$q%[email protected]
    > Jerome Zelinske wrote:
    >> It sounds like there was no loss of Sprint PCS coverage. Sprint PCS is
    >> all digital, no analog. Roaming has never been and not likely to ever be
    >> stable.

    >
    > No...never said there was a loss of Sprint PCS network coverage.
    >
    > Its obvious they lost a roaming agreement. Its obvious it was analog
    > agreement (I always dropped into analog roming).
    >
    > The fact that they showed it on their maps at one time and I based my
    > renewal on their maps, one could sucessfully argue it was Sprint coverage
    > (even though we all know it was a partnership).
    >
    >
    >






  13. #13
    Jerome Zelinske
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    You said "I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint
    coverage area in North Texas". Their roaming agreements and maps
    change, and not in schedule everyone's Advantage Agreement renewal
    dates. How can one successfully argue when you admit "we all know it"
    is wrong?



  14. #14
    DecTxCowboy
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    Jerome Zelinske wrote:
    > You said "I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint
    > coverage area in North Texas". Their roaming agreements and maps
    > change, and not in schedule everyone's Advantage Agreement renewal
    > dates. How can one successfully argue when you admit "we all know it"
    > is wrong?



    I'm not sure what your pointing out, but I'll try my best to answer.

    > Their roaming agreements and maps change, and not in schedule
    > everyone's Advantage Agreement renewal dates.


    True, there might be some latency in updating there maps. But the maps
    were still accurate for like six months after I renewed.

    > How can one successfully argue when you admit "we all know it"
    > is wrong?


    The "successfully argue" was referring to, and I'll quote Mij Adyaw on
    this, "Nevertheless, Sprint is still responsible for their maps and the
    service that are represented by the maps regardless of whether the
    coverage is native or roaming."

    The "we all know" is referring to those of us that understand native
    network coverage versus off-network coverage provided by a roaming
    agreement with another carrier.




  15. #15
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular

    DecTxCowboy wrote:
    > [cross posted in Sprint and Cingular NGs]
    >
    > I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint coverage area
    > in North Texas and may have to consider switching over to Cingular.
    > Apparently Sprint lost its analog roaming partnership in that area as
    > there is NO coverage indicated on the map now and driving around in
    > the area confirms the extent of coverage loss - something like 60
    > miles across and 20 miles wide. So looking at Cingular and dump
    > Sprint, sans the ETF.
    >


    You might want to wait a bit!!!

    The area you describe is covered by the (largest) Sprint PCS affiliate,
    Alamosa PCS (who purchased AirGate PCS):
    http://www.airgatepcsa.com/footprint_map_2.html

    Like many SPCS affiliates, Alamosa PCS wasn't happy about the
    Sprint/Nextel merger. Many of the affiliates brought lawsuits against
    Sprint Nextel. Most ended up with Sprint Nextel buying the affiliate, or
    an out-of-court settlement. But the Alamosa PCS lawsuit was still
    pending--and is why I suspect you suddenly lost coverage.

    HOWEVER, just today Sprint Nextel have announced they are indeed buying
    Alamosa PCS:
    http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/13225074.htm
    ============================
    Sprint Nextel Corp. today said it will buy its largest affiliate carrier
    in a deal worth about $4.3 billion.

    Alamosa Holdings Inc., which is based in Lubbock, Texas, will bring
    Sprint about 1.48 million direct subscribers.

    The transaction will require approvals from Alamosa shareholders and
    regulators. Sprint executives said they expect to close the deal in the
    first quarter of 2006.
    "As the largest PCS affiliate, we appreciate their efforts over the
    years to grow Sprint's business and we look forward to continuing a
    strong relationship with their customers," Gary Forsee, Sprint's
    president and chief executive officer, said in a statement. "This
    transaction will significantly expand our direct customer base and
    territory, and will provide additional value for our shareholders."

    Alamosa had filed a lawsuit against Sprint earlier this year, raising
    objections to how it would be treated following Sprint's merger with
    Nextel Communications Inc.
    As part of the transaction announced today, both companies immediately
    will seek to put the litigation on hold. A final resolution would take
    effect when the acquisition is completed...
    ============================

    So you might find things will improve with Sprint Nextel as they and
    Alamosa PCS get their act together.

    Oh yea, what happens when you force the phone into analog roam and
    attempt to make a call?

    >
    > Am I going to run into any unanticipated unknown issues here?


    Yea, lack of analog roam completely. (Not a big deal to me, but for some
    it might be.)


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