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- 03-25-2006, 09:13 PM #31Robot djGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
What do you mean by call quality?
How clear the transmission is or the idiot that you're talking to?
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- 03-26-2006, 12:49 AM #32Steve SobolGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
Cyrus Afzali wrote:
> In *some* cases. Honestly, I've found ZERO benefit from any 850 mHz
> roaming partnership with Cingular or anyone else thusfar.
Here, there is some benefit to having roaming on Cingular. I can use Cingular
or T-Mobile here, and there are some outlying fringe areas covered by
Cingular and Verizon that aren't covered by Sprint and T-Mobile.
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- 03-26-2006, 10:58 AM #33SMSGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
Cyrus Afzali wrote:
> In *some* cases. Honestly, I've found ZERO benefit from any 850 mHz
> roaming partnership with Cingular or anyone else thusfar. I realize
> that T-Mobile claims to have expanded its network by a large amount
> through new roaming deals, but at least in the areas I've tried, which
> include areas of the Southeast served by Cingular 850, it's been a
> no-go.
OTOH, I have a Cingular network phone from a MVNO, which does roam onto
T-Mobile's 1900 Mhz network in the Bay Area. I thought that I'd _NEVER_
actually roam, but surprisingly I often find the phone (Motorola V180)
roaming onto T-Mobile.
If I had a T-Mobile GSM phone, I'd have no coverage in much of my own
neighborhood, and this is based on my experience when I had Cingular
1900 Mhz-only, T-Mobile's own maps, and the experiences of other
T-Mobile customers that I know in my neighborhood.
It all varies by area. In many areas of the east, Voicestream had a
pretty good 1900 Mhz network, while in the west, Cingular's 1900 Mhz
network, which T-Mobile now uses, was never very good.
- 03-26-2006, 08:38 PM #34Stanley ClineGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:08:03 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Well half-false anyway. On T-Mobile post-paid, you roam onto Cingular in
>cities where T-Mobile has no coverage. If you sign up for T-Mobile
Unless you are in Knoxville, TN, where Cingular has the only GSM
coverage available (T-Mobile has licenses but no network as of yet),
you are much more likely to roam on a local or regional carrier than
Cingular.
-SC
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- 03-26-2006, 08:43 PM #35Stanley ClineGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:56:35 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:
>you try to negotiate a better deal, because they know that any customer
>that leaves in a huff for another carrier, will likely be back if they
>care about coverage at all.
That, of course, depends on the area. Cingular and T-Mobile generally
have better coverage and less congestion problems than VZW in most of
metro Atlanta; out of the dozens of people I know in Atlanta who have
switched from VZW to Cingular or T-Mobile, only a few have switched
back, and only because of a need for coverage in specific places in
south Georgia or the Carolinas where there is no GSM, only AMPS and
CDMA.
-SC
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- 03-26-2006, 08:51 PM #36DecaturTxCowboyGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
Stanley Cline wrote:
> "it seems like all you ever buy is Abercrombie and cell phones" --a friend
Two of the three things you won't find at Tractor Supply....
- 03-26-2006, 09:05 PM #37Steve SobolGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
Stanley Cline wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:04:36 -0500, Cyrus Afzali <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> In *some* cases. Honestly, I've found ZERO benefit from any 850 mHz
>> roaming partnership with Cingular or anyone else thusfar. I realize
>> that T-Mobile claims to have expanded its network by a large amount
>> through new roaming deals, but at least in the areas I've tried, which
>> include areas of the Southeast served by Cingular 850, it's been a
>> no-go.
>
> T-Mobile is being *extremely* stingy with allowing roaming onto
> Cingular in most areas
It sounds like that's because in most areas, they already have roaming
agreements with other carriers. Verizon has a sweetheart deal with Alltel. I
don't know if that's the norm between the big carriers.
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- 03-26-2006, 10:55 PM #38Michael WiseGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
In article
<[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:03:14
> -0800, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >George wrote:
> >
> >> I think they had to do it because they were annoying so many people.
> >
> >I'm sure that this was the reason, the fallout may be that there are a
> >lot less people with phones that don't have coverage in areas where
> >they're likely to use it the most, hence their good showing in that survey.
>
> Not even a good scramble. It can't be fun dealing with data that blows away
> what you've been saying.
You know that better than anybody else...isn't that right Mr. Navas?
After all, its why you never bothered responding to the facts (with
pics) I posted which clearly showed your little Corte Madera claim about
VZW coverage to be BS.
- 03-27-2006, 12:15 AM #39SMSGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
Stanley Cline wrote:
> That, of course, depends on the area. Cingular and T-Mobile generally
> have better coverage and less congestion problems than VZW in most of
> metro Atlanta; out of the dozens of people I know in Atlanta who have
> switched from VZW to Cingular or T-Mobile, only a few have switched
> back, and only because of a need for coverage in specific places in
> south Georgia or the Carolinas where there is no GSM, only AMPS and
> CDMA.
I go to Atlanta occasionally. Where my sister and cousin live, near
Dunwoody High School, the Cingular GSM coverage is not good (at least
the last time I was there). It's a neighborhood where I'd expect a lot
of NIMBY concerns about towers. Verizon and Sprint coverage is fine.
It's been a few years though, so things may have changed.
- 03-27-2006, 09:05 AM #40SMSGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
Cyrus Afzali wrote:
> I think T-Mobile should examine its pricing policies and implement a
> system similar to Verizon Wireless. Their America's Choice network
> gives you much less roaming ability than a true nationwide plan, but
> AC is priced quite a bit less.
Actually it's a little less coverage, not a lot less. I stuck with the
original AC plan which is a "true nationwide plan" and does allow paid
roaming, but in reality, the area where it makes a difference is quite
small. I still cannot roam onto Sprint in areas where Verizon has a
network. I suspect that there may be some small AMPS networks that AC2
doesn't cover.
Verizon used AC2 to pressure smaller carriers into signing roaming
agreements, with a very big stick--we won't let our customers roam onto
your networks anymore, so you'd better sign up with us and at least get
something out of the deal.
If I could keep my 8:01 p.m. off-peak, I'd probably switch to AC2. When
the TDMA network shuts down, I probably will go to a Verizon Family Plan
on AC2, since my kids TDMA prepaid phones will need to be replaced with
something.
- 03-27-2006, 09:29 AM #41Jerome ZelinskeGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
That depends where you are. In my state, WI, in total square
miles of coverage, cingular covers a lot more than SprintPCS and,
SprintPCS covers more than verizon. SprintPCS does cover some areas
that neither verizon or cingular cover. In the "There are many areas we
travel to where the TDMA/AMPS phone works, but my MVNO (I forget what
MVNO means) phone on the Cingular network has no coverage at all."
areas, are you really on the cingular network or are you roaming on
another network? If you are roaming, do not count on always continuing
to be able to roam. Roaming agreements can change/expire.
- 03-27-2006, 12:12 PM #42Guest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
DecaturTxCowboy wrote:
> SMS wrote:
> > "http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060316/lath057.html?.v=49"
>
> Looks like an average of only 8% difference between all the carriers.
> Given all the overall information, the report really isn't that significant.
Wonder what year this is for because a few years ago the Old Can you
hear me now has been replaced.... I had plans that were awful in call
quality. Now I have had Verizon for many years I do wonder how the
rest of the companies are for my particular area and the areas I go
- 03-27-2006, 01:26 PM #43John NavasGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
In <[email protected]> on Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:56:35
-0800, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>Isaiah Beard wrote:
>
>> So in other words, you admit that Cingular is neglecting maintenance on
>> their D-AMPS network. Seems to me they got the what they deserved then,
>> ratings-wise.
>
>Cingular stated that 95% of its customers are on GSM,
Wrong again. Cingular releases data on percentage of call completions, not
percentage of subscribers. (If you still claim otherwise, post a citation.)
>so even if the
>TDMA/AMPS network was neglected, it would have negligible effect on the
>ratings. ...
Nonsense. It's trivial to show that overall ratings can be affected this much
by D-AMPS ("TDMA"), single band GSM, and non-ENS GSM handsets.
>Cingular is very concerned about how far behind they've fallen in terms
>of customer satisfaction, call quality, their data network and their
>coverage.
Proof? Or yet another made up claim?
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- 03-27-2006, 01:30 PM #44John NavasGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
In <[email protected]> on Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:08:03
-0800, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>... you need a lot more 1900 Mhz towers to cover a
>given area than you need 800 Mhz towers.
Not true, as I've shown previously. In metro areas there is no significant
difference, and the difference, which results from lower permitted maximum
power for 1900 MHz, is relatively small even in non-metro areas.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
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- 03-27-2006, 01:31 PM #45John NavasGuest
Re: JD Power Report on Call Quality
[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
In <[email protected]> on Sun, 26 Mar 2006 08:58:14
-0800, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>It all varies by area. In many areas of the east, Voicestream had a
>pretty good 1900 Mhz network, while in the west, Cingular's 1900 Mhz
>network, which T-Mobile now uses, was never very good.
Nonsense.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
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