Thinking of Sprint

It depends where you are. Here what became cingular was tdma then cdma
then tdma then gsm.

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In <[email protected]> on 13 Apr 2006
17:09:26 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>Trying to be fair;
>...
>I've never been too impressed with GSM. My two GMS phones have poor
>audio quality on Cingular/AT&T networks.

Why not try a better phone? Good GSM phones have excellent audio.

>I can roam to both towers
>now, so I get better coverage than before the buyout. But GSM has less
>building penetration than CDMA.

Not true.

>My works Cingular CDMA phone has
>better voice quality and coverage. It is not a choppy / digital.

There are no Cingular CDMA phones.

>Cingular phones are GSM, and with the right band these are world
>phones. Sprint PCS doesn't offer this feature, right?

Right.

>Since these are not GMS, there are not SIMS, so I can't purchase a
>replacement phone off of e-bay and just swap the SIM. I have to get
>another phone from Sprint, right?

No, you can have Sprint activate any supported phone.

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In <6lQ%f.65$_s5.55@trnddc04> on Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:45:54 GMT, "Jeremy"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Cingular's tactics of coercing former AT&T customers to give up their old
>rate plans--by cutting back on their service to the point that it hardly
>works--is well documented.

Nope, as has been explained to you repeatedly.

>And SBC Communications' reputation for
>arm-twisting their own customers has earned them a negative reputation in
>their own right.

Wrong there too.

>... The reason that I so enjoy posting anti-Cingular messages is
>that it is my way of spreading the word about Cingular's obnoxious attitute
>toward their customers, in the hope that others will realize that Cingular
>does not deserve to be their carrier of choice.

That's your new mission in life? You don't have better things to do with your
time? That's really sad.

>SCREW CINGULAR!

How old are you, 14?

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In <tDy%f.13341$gy2.4983@trnddc08> on Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:36:41 GMT, "Jeremy"
<[email protected]> wrote:

><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Anyway, the price is the problem. My plan is $49. I need new phones.
>> I am not willing to pay $69/mo to do that. Unlocked phones cost just
>> as much as a 2 yr contract, so that is a wash. Cingular has a strong
>> desire to remove all AT&T SIMs from their network and get them on
>> Cingular SIMs. I'd need a new $69 contract to get Cingular SIMs.
>
>I can't comment on the best available price, but I strongly recommend that,
>whatever you do, you don't favor Cingular with your future business, if
>there is another acceptable alternative provider. They are simply coercing
>you.

There's no coercion.

>There is no reason that you could not be allowed to switch to the
>Orange network and still keep your old rate plan--they just don't want to do
>that.

The reason has been explained to you repeatedly.

>Trouble is, Cingular is not giving you the same level of service that ATTWS
>did,

Wrong again. ATTWS did much of the conversion of TDMA (D-AMPS) to GSM.

>... They are snakes.

How mature.

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John Navas wrote:
>
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> In <[email protected]> on 13 Apr 2006
> 17:09:26 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Trying to be fair;
> >...
> >I've never been too impressed with GSM. My two GMS phones have poor
> >audio quality on Cingular/AT&T networks.
>
> Why not try a better phone? Good GSM phones have excellent audio.
>
> >I can roam to both towers
> >now, so I get better coverage than before the buyout. But GSM has less
> >building penetration than CDMA.
>
> Not true.
>
> >My works Cingular CDMA phone has
> >better voice quality and coverage. It is not a choppy / digital.
>
> There are no Cingular CDMA phones.
>
> >Cingular phones are GSM, and with the right band these are world
> >phones. Sprint PCS doesn't offer this feature, right?
>
> Right.
>
> >Since these are not GMS, there are not SIMS, so I can't purchase a
> >replacement phone off of e-bay and just swap the SIM. I have to get
> >another phone from Sprint, right?
>
> No, you can have Sprint activate any supported phone.

And the only "supported phones" are those (initially) sold by Sprint.

Notan

In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I can roam to both towers
>>now, so I get better coverage than before the buyout. But GSM has less
>>building penetration than CDMA.
>
> Not true.
>

Yes, sort of true. Effectively, it is true. The error correction protocol in
CDMA is more robust and requires less bandwidth. Thus, the minimum operating
bandwidth is smaller. So, in a building where noise and material reduce the
effective bandwidth available, a GSM phone may fail where a CDMA phone will
succeed.

>>My works Cingular CDMA phone has
>>better voice quality and coverage. It is not a choppy / digital.
>
> There are no Cingular CDMA phones.
>

Probably mean TDMA, you think?

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John Navas wrote:
>> I can roam to both towers
>> now, so I get better coverage than before the buyout. But GSM has less
>> building penetration than CDMA.
>
> Not true.

Ah, with T-Mobile at 1900 you might have a little more trouble than with
Cingular at 850. Perhaps that's what he was referring to.

>> My works Cingular CDMA phone has
>> better voice quality and coverage. It is not a choppy / digital.
>
> There are no Cingular CDMA phones.

He probably meant TDMA.

>> Cingular phones are GSM, and with the right band these are world
>> phones. Sprint PCS doesn't offer this feature, right?
>
> Right.

Wrong, kinda. Most aren't, but Verizon and Sprint each offer at least one
phone that runs on European GSM and North American CDMA frequencies. (They
may even still have the same model; both were selling the Samsung 890.)

Nothing that runs on American GSM though.

>> Since these are not GMS, there are not SIMS, so I can't purchase a
>> replacement phone off of e-bay and just swap the SIM. I have to get
>> another phone from Sprint, right?
>
> No, you can have Sprint activate any supported phone.

....as long as they originally sold it. I've bought and activated Sprint
phones off eBay and my brother-in-law has the one I got rid of when I
switched to T-Mo. As long as it is a Sprint-branded phone you should be fine.

(I'm agreeing with you - just adding a couple of my own notes)

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Apple Valley, CA
Resident of Southern California -
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John Navas wrote:

> Nope, as has been explained to you repeatedly.
>
>> And SBC Communications' reputation for
>> arm-twisting their own customers has earned them a negative reputation in
>> their own right.
>
> Wrong there too.

SBC's refusal to give me my money back after my DSL and dialtone were out of
service for two months resulted in my policy of never even considering
Cingular now, no matter how good their network is. They're malicious, evil
people (although I *have* encountered pockets of competent, customer-friendly
people at SBC, the corporate culture is "screw the customer as long and as
hard as you can").

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Apple Valley, CA
Resident of Southern California -
the home of beautiful people and butt-ugly traffic jams

"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> SBC's refusal to give me my money back after my DSL and dialtone were out
> of service for two months resulted in my policy of never even considering
> Cingular now, no matter how good their network is. They're malicious, evil
> people (although I *have* encountered pockets of competent,
> customer-friendly people at SBC, the corporate culture is "screw the
> customer as long and as hard as you can").
>


Apparently they screw their own employees too . . .

http://www.vault.com/messages/SBC_Co...c.1382361.html

What better way to test a service provider than test them out live.

I grabbed one of these CDMA Digital phone with Analog AMPs roaming
abilitys. I took it where I spend most of my time.

It doesn't work. The coverage is not there. I get 0 to 1 bars and I
can here the person on the other line, but they cannot here me. They
just get static when I talk. (I called my land line to test.)

The Cingular phone gets 3-5 bars and works just fine.

Most important about a service provider is that the service you are
purchasing works for you. Since Sprints towers are located in bad
places relative to where I am, since this service does not work for me,
then I am limited to T-Mobile, D'ampd(Nextel), or Cingular.

T-Mobile has great prices but horrible coverage in this state. It has
coverage where I usualy am located. D'ampd is expensive. Then there
is Cingular.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What better way to test a service provider than test them out live.
>
> I grabbed one of these CDMA Digital phone with Analog AMPs roaming
> abilitys. I took it where I spend most of my time.
>
> It doesn't work. The coverage is not there. I get 0 to 1 bars and I
> can here the person on the other line, but they cannot here me. They
> just get static when I talk. (I called my land line to test.)
>
> The Cingular phone gets 3-5 bars and works just fine.
>
> Most important about a service provider is that the service you are
> purchasing works for you. Since Sprints towers are located in bad
> places relative to where I am, since this service does not work for me,
> then I am limited to T-Mobile, D'ampd(Nextel), or Cingular.
>
> T-Mobile has great prices but horrible coverage in this state. It has
> coverage where I usualy am located. D'ampd is expensive. Then there
> is Cingular.
>

Then your decision is a no-brainer. Unfortunately, the benefits of
competition do not accrue to you at this time, and you must accept
Cingular's draconian terms or do without wireless.

Hopefully the other networks will build out their facilities, and you may
find yourself at a more favorable position for choices by the time your
Cingular agreement comes up for renewal.

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In <[email protected]> on 20 Apr 2006
13:45:52 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>What better way to test a service provider than test them out live.
>
>I grabbed one of these CDMA Digital phone with Analog AMPs roaming
>abilitys. I took it where I spend most of my time.
>
>It doesn't work. The coverage is not there. I get 0 to 1 bars and I
>can here the person on the other line, but they cannot here me. They
>just get static when I talk. (I called my land line to test.)
>
>The Cingular phone gets 3-5 bars and works just fine.

Don't you know that newsgroup posts should only be unfounded flaming?!
Shame on you for doing real tests and posting actual facts! I'm afraid you
have to spend the rest of the day writing "Flame! Flame! Flame!" over and
over. LOL

>Most important about a service provider is that the service you are
>purchasing works for you.

Well duh.

>Since Sprints towers are located in bad
>places relative to where I am, since this service does not work for me,
>then I am limited to T-Mobile, D'ampd(Nextel), or Cingular.

Nextel is actually iDEN.

>T-Mobile has great prices but horrible coverage in this state. It has
>coverage where I usualy am located. D'ampd is expensive. Then there
>is Cingular.

Which works best for many people, but by no means all people. As always, use
what works best for you, and don't presume that what's best for you is
necessarily best for other people.

Cingular currently works best for me, but I know of people for whom the best
carriers are Verizon, Sprint-Nextel, MetroPCS, etc. "Different strokes..."
and all that sort of thing.

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In <rxS1g.2305$gt.1445@trnddc04> on Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:53:43 GMT, "Jeremy"
<[email protected]> wrote:

><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> T-Mobile has great prices but horrible coverage in this state. It has
>> coverage where I usualy am located. D'ampd is expensive. Then there
>> is Cingular.
>
>Then your decision is a no-brainer. Unfortunately, the benefits of
>competition do not accrue to you at this time,

Of course it does.

>and you must accept
>Cingular's draconian terms

Nothing of the sort.

>or do without wireless.

Nope.

>Hopefully the other networks will build out their facilities, and you may
>find yourself at a more favorable position for choices by the time your
>Cingular agreement comes up for renewal.

The free market at work.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on 20 Apr 2006
> 13:45:52 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>What better way to test a service provider than test them out live.
>>
>>I grabbed one of these CDMA Digital phone with Analog AMPs roaming
>>abilitys. I took it where I spend most of my time.
>>
>>It doesn't work. The coverage is not there. I get 0 to 1 bars and I
>>can here the person on the other line, but they cannot here me. They
>>just get static when I talk. (I called my land line to test.)
>>
>>The Cingular phone gets 3-5 bars and works just fine.
>
> Don't you know that newsgroup posts should only be unfounded flaming?!
> Shame on you for doing real tests and posting actual facts! I'm afraid
> you
> have to spend the rest of the day writing "Flame! Flame! Flame!" over and
> over. LOL

Damn, Navas- you are truly a whining idiot.

>
>>Most important about a service provider is that the service you are
>>purchasing works for you.
>
> Well duh.

And not very funny, either.

>
>>Since Sprints towers are located in bad
>>places relative to where I am, since this service does not work for me,
>>then I am limited to T-Mobile, D'ampd(Nextel), or Cingular.
>
> Nextel is actually iDEN.

Well, duh.

>
>>T-Mobile has great prices but horrible coverage in this state. It has
>>coverage where I usualy am located. D'ampd is expensive. Then there
>>is Cingular.
>
> Which works best for many people, but by no means all people. As always,
> use
> what works best for you, and don't presume that what's best for you is
> necessarily best for other people.
>
> Cingular currently works best for me, but I know of people for whom the
> best
> carriers are Verizon, Sprint-Nextel, MetroPCS, etc. "Different
> strokes..."
> and all that sort of thing.
>

But don't ever mention a service problem with Cingular here- John will
ALWAYS blame it on the phone and not the network. That's the problem with
being so blinded in your allegiances- you have no clue of what's going on in
the real world.

>>D'ampd(Nextel),
> Nextel is actually iDEN.

Sorry, Amp'd(Verizon) is what I should have said.
Verizon isn't available in my area, though they have decent coverage.

What I was refering to is Amp'd. Amp'd mobile is available here, which
runs off the Verizon network;

http://get.ampd.com/

Looks cool, but doesn't have a plan for my needs.

I was very close to making a decision away from Cingular until I got a
phone and found out that my coverage sucked where I would use the
phone. Now the person I bummed the phone from works in the same
building. But he works in an area that gets good coverage. I don't.
It's a large building.