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  1. #1
    Not trying to be rude, but how long do you think this will last until
    they figure out what you are doing and then toss you for violating
    terms of service?




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  2. #2
    Ben
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    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    [email protected] wrote in news:1146177076.520819.257270
    @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

    > Not trying to be rude, but how long do you think this will last until
    > they figure out what you are doing and then toss you for violating
    > terms of service?
    >
    >


    I have gone over the terms of service and I don't see where there is a
    violation at this point.

    I think that at some point they may do things to tighten the terms of
    service.

    I have seen other ways people are taking the phones "off network" such as
    devices that are blueberry that have you call to a "shared" or "in
    network" phone that then goes to an asterisk box.

    And a couple other way around it.

    Also another cell company just allowed a 10 number circle on $59 and up
    plans.

    I think near term cell companies will go with this type thing but with
    higher min. $ plans.

    Their main concern is to keep a high average $ ticket.

    What I have come up with is like the old days where LD companies would
    have you dial around AT&T. Long before deregulation.

    Sprint was one of those early dial around companies. Oh how things change
    but they don't




  3. #3
    matt nicklin
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    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    On 2006-04-27 15:31:16 -0700, [email protected] said:

    > Not trying to be rude, but how long do you think this will last until
    > they figure out what you are doing and then toss you for violating
    > terms of service?


    This does not violate their terms of service because voice stick is
    your number you can use voice stick as a regular voip phone so it can
    be considered your home number. Thus not violating their terms of
    service they would have to continue to honor your contract until it is
    up.




  4. #4
    Isaiah Beard
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    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    Ben wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote in news:1146177076.520819.257270
    > @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
    >
    >> Not trying to be rude, but how long do you think this will last until
    >> they figure out what you are doing and then toss you for violating
    >> terms of service?
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I have gone over the terms of service and I don't see where there is a
    > violation at this point.


    Well technically, you *have* misrepresented your home number to them.
    And you're not calling "home" but rather using the service to dial into
    other numbers.

    But to me, that point is moot. You're kind of hiding the costs here, to
    yourself and to us. Yes, you have the cheapest $29.99 plan on Sprint,
    but you're also paying $5 for the Sprint to Home, and $20 for the VoiP
    interconnect. That comes out to $55. For just a little more, you could
    get either 1000 anytime minutes with 7PM unlimited N&W, or 500 anytime
    outgoing minutes, unlimited incoming minutes (just think, they could
    call YOU) and unlimited N&W.

    I guess if you're yammering on the phone for 1000 minutes or more a
    month all during peak times, AND you're okay with returning to 1984,
    when you did have to go through the rigamarole of calling an access
    number and then dialing out, your option would be cost effective. Me, I
    tend to have work to do during all but about 4 of those peak hours, and
    I have a work phone for work-related calls.

    > I think that at some point they may do things to tighten the terms of
    > service.


    I would imagine so. Or they could just raise the price of Sprint to
    Home. Typically, the price points of "unlimited" options are set so
    that those who underutilize the service offset the costs of those
    overutilizing it.


    > I have seen other ways people are taking the phones "off network" such as
    > devices that are blueberry that have you call to a "shared" or "in
    > network" phone that then goes to an asterisk box.


    Yes, I've seen them too, and again, for the median user, they tend not
    to be cost effective. The only reason to use them would be if you
    really do have that handset glued to your ear during peak times, make
    tons of purely international calls, or just have have some inane reason
    for sticking it to Sprint.


    > Also another cell company just allowed a 10 number circle on $59 and up
    > plans.


    Alltel. Their drawback, however, is that they are Tier 2 regional
    carrier, and far from nationwide coverage.




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    Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.



  5. #5
    Jeremy
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    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > Or they could just raise the price of Sprint to Home. Typically, the
    > price points of "unlimited" options are set so that those who underutilize
    > the service offset the costs of those overutilizing it.
    >
    >


    Or they could impose some (undisclosed) "ceiling" beyond which it not
    considered to be typical residential use. My Verizon VoIP service has a
    5000 minute cap, beyond which they will investigate usage and terminate
    service at their option.

    You can bet that they will not allow VoIP providers to provide customers
    with a way to get around normal use restrictions.





  6. #6
    Ben
    Guest

    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Ben wrote:
    >> [email protected] wrote in news:1146177076.520819.257270
    >> @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
    >>
    >>> Not trying to be rude, but how long do you think this will last
    >>> until they figure out what you are doing and then toss you for
    >>> violating terms of service?
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> I have gone over the terms of service and I don't see where there is
    >> a violation at this point.

    >
    > Well technically, you *have* misrepresented your home number to them.
    > And you're not calling "home" but rather using the service to dial
    > into other numbers.
    >
    > But to me, that point is moot. You're kind of hiding the costs here,
    > to yourself and to us. Yes, you have the cheapest $29.99 plan on
    > Sprint, but you're also paying $5 for the Sprint to Home, and $20 for
    > the VoiP interconnect. That comes out to $55. For just a little
    > more, you could get either 1000 anytime minutes with 7PM unlimited
    > N&W, or 500 anytime outgoing minutes, unlimited incoming minutes (just
    > think, they could call YOU) and unlimited N&W.
    >
    > I guess if you're yammering on the phone for 1000 minutes or more a
    > month all during peak times, AND you're okay with returning to 1984,
    > when you did have to go through the rigamarole of calling an access
    > number and then dialing out, your option would be cost effective. Me,
    > I tend to have work to do during all but about 4 of those peak hours,
    > and I have a work phone for work-related calls.
    >
    >> I think that at some point they may do things to tighten the terms of
    >> service.

    >
    > I would imagine so. Or they could just raise the price of Sprint to
    > Home. Typically, the price points of "unlimited" options are set so
    > that those who underutilize the service offset the costs of those
    > overutilizing it.
    >
    >
    >> I have seen other ways people are taking the phones "off network"
    >> such as devices that are blueberry that have you call to a "shared"
    >> or "in network" phone that then goes to an asterisk box.

    >
    > Yes, I've seen them too, and again, for the median user, they tend not
    > to be cost effective. The only reason to use them would be if you
    > really do have that handset glued to your ear during peak times, make
    > tons of purely international calls, or just have have some inane
    > reason for sticking it to Sprint.
    >
    >
    >> Also another cell company just allowed a 10 number circle on $59 and
    >> up plans.

    >
    > Alltel. Their drawback, however, is that they are Tier 2 regional
    > carrier, and far from nationwide coverage.
    >
    >
    >
    >




    I have usage well over 2000 min of peak time a month. Yes if I was a
    lower minute user I would be better off with a regular plan.

    I had Cingular and was paying $120 a month.

    Now for my $55 I don't worry about the minutes AND my kids now have a
    second line to call out on at home (I can be on it with the cell and it
    does not affect them).

    But this is not for everyone



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    Ben
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    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    "Jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in news:9Mo4g.4$zo2.3@trnddc01:

    > "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>
    >> Or they could just raise the price of Sprint to Home. Typically, the
    >> price points of "unlimited" options are set so that those who
    >> underutilize the service offset the costs of those overutilizing it.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Or they could impose some (undisclosed) "ceiling" beyond which it not
    > considered to be typical residential use. My Verizon VoIP service has
    > a 5000 minute cap, beyond which they will investigate usage and
    > terminate service at their option.
    >
    > You can bet that they will not allow VoIP providers to provide
    > customers with a way to get around normal use restrictions.
    >
    >
    >



    Well I am enjoying the "hole" in the system while it lasts.




  8. #8

    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    Too bad I went all cellular and have no land line Now I just
    have to figure out how to load up Skype on this Windows Mobile cell
    phone with 802.11b I have. There would be a *free* way for me to talk
    to my associates in Italy while mobile. US to Italy for hours on end
    adds up.




  9. #9
    Ben
    Guest

    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    [email protected] wrote in news:1146236089.752901.247950
    @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

    > Too bad I went all cellular and have no land line Now I just
    > have to figure out how to load up Skype on this Windows Mobile cell
    > phone with 802.11b I have. There would be a *free* way for me to talk
    > to my associates in Italy while mobile. US to Italy for hours on end
    > adds up.
    >
    >


    Just get Sprint to Home and www.voicestick.com . Get the global plan from
    voice stick that has unlimited calls to most of Italy.

    Now you can have a new dial out number, use your cell phone to get a NEW
    dial tone using the voicestick.com Cellular Bridge, plus you get unlimited
    calls to the USA and 39 other contries.

    Sounds like this set up would save you a bundle.




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    Bob Lambeau
    Guest

    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    Ben wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote in news:1146236089.752901.247950
    > @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
    >
    >> Too bad I went all cellular and have no land line Now I just
    >> have to figure out how to load up Skype on this Windows Mobile cell
    >> phone with 802.11b I have. There would be a *free* way for me to talk
    >> to my associates in Italy while mobile. US to Italy for hours on end
    >> adds up.

    I too am working on that
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Just get Sprint to Home and www.voicestick.com . Get the global plan from
    > voice stick that has unlimited calls to most of Italy.

    snip
    read through their web site,
    on one page all calls to Poland are free then,
    when you go to the terms of service (which they reserve to change at any
    moment) as of 4/24/06 it now says its .03 cents a min to call Poland.
    I´ll stick with Skype
    Skype is .021 cents a min



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    Ben
    Guest

    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    Bob Lambeau <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Ben wrote:
    >> [email protected] wrote in news:1146236089.752901.247950
    >> @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
    >>
    >>> Too bad I went all cellular and have no land line Now I just
    >>> have to figure out how to load up Skype on this Windows Mobile cell
    >>> phone with 802.11b I have. There would be a *free* way for me to
    >>> talk to my associates in Italy while mobile. US to Italy for hours
    >>> on end adds up.

    > I too am working on that
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Just get Sprint to Home and www.voicestick.com . Get the global plan
    >> from voice stick that has unlimited calls to most of Italy.

    > snip
    > read through their web site,
    > on one page all calls to Poland are free then,
    > when you go to the terms of service (which they reserve to change at
    > any moment) as of 4/24/06 it now says its .03 cents a min to call
    > Poland. I´ll stick with Skype
    > Skype is .021 cents a min
    >



    I just looked it up, all of Poland is no cost if on the Global $25 a
    month plan and 0.014 cents if on a per min. plan only.


    What link were you looking at?



  12. #12
    EP
    Guest

    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    Unbelievable .. The corporations in this country are robbing people blind
    and you just pick at this guy for being ingenious. To mr. hole in the system
    :
    Good Job !! There needs to be more people like you on this planet. You're
    one of the few people left in this country that can think outside of the
    box.

    You've been dealt a corporate government in your lifetime, sad as our
    Government IS the best Government in the world and the most under
    utilized by it's Citezenry . Everyone else ..... DO AS YOUR TOLD !
    Lemmings.

    > >> Or they could just raise the price of Sprint to Home. Typically, the
    > >> price points of "unlimited" options are set so that those who
    > >> underutilize the service offset the costs of those overutilizing it.
    > >>
    > >>

    > >
    > > Or they could impose some (undisclosed) "ceiling" beyond which it not
    > > considered to be typical residential use. My Verizon VoIP service has
    > > a 5000 minute cap, beyond which they will investigate usage and
    > > terminate service at their option.
    > >
    > > You can bet that they will not allow VoIP providers to provide
    > > customers with a way to get around normal use restrictions.
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    > Well I am enjoying the "hole" in the system while it lasts.
    >






  13. #13
    AZ Nomad
    Guest

    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:11:02 -0700, EP <Reply> wrote:


    >Unbelievable .. The corporations in this country are robbing people blind
    >and you just pick at this guy for being ingenious. To mr. hole in the system
    >:
    >Good Job !! There needs to be more people like you on this planet. You're
    >one of the few people left in this country that can think outside of the
    >box.


    >You've been dealt a corporate government in your lifetime, sad as our
    >Government IS the best Government in the world and the most under
    >utilized by it's Citezenry . Everyone else ..... DO AS YOUR TOLD !
    >Lemmings.


    you need to get back on your medications.



  14. #14
    EP
    Guest

    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    Looks as though you already have.

    "AZ Nomad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:11:02 -0700, EP <Reply> wrote:
    >
    >
    > >Unbelievable .. The corporations in this country are robbing people blind
    > >and you just pick at this guy for being ingenious. To mr. hole in the

    system
    > >:
    > >Good Job !! There needs to be more people like you on this planet. You're
    > >one of the few people left in this country that can think outside of the
    > >box.

    >
    > >You've been dealt a corporate government in your lifetime, sad as our
    > >Government IS the best Government in the world and the most under
    > >utilized by it's Citezenry . Everyone else ..... DO AS YOUR TOLD !
    > >Lemmings.

    >
    > you need to get back on your medications.






  15. #15
    Notan
    Guest

    Re: I use VOIP to get unlimited Cell phone minutes for real

    EP wrote:
    >
    > Looks as though you already have.
    >
    > <snip>


    Just so we're clear, is this this equivalent of an 8 year old's
    "I know you are, but what am I?"

    Notan



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