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  1. #16
    jim
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    SMS <[email protected]> wrote in
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    > Peter Pan wrote:
    >> John Navas wrote:
    >>> Simply untrue. Cingular has very good coverage.

    >>
    >> Actually, where *I* live (about 11 miles north of I90 in the spokane
    >> area), *ONLY* Verizon works at all, cingular (and sprint/etc) don't
    >> work at ALL! There they have absolutely terrible/no coverage...

    >
    > There's your problem, you don't live in one of the 50 largest
    > metropolitan areas! Shame on you. Move. Actually, I'd bet you'd fine
    > that right along I90 you can get coverage on the other carriers, just
    > not very far from the freeway (US 395 also looks like it has some
    > coverage, though incomplete). Last month I was up on I80 in the
    > Sierras, and Cingular worked along the freeway, but as soon as you got
    > a couple of miles away from the freeway, or other main road, the
    > coverage disappeared (unless you were on a mountain with line-of-sight
    > to a city).
    >
    > Of course different areas have different carriers that are the best.
    > Consumer Reports covered only 18 metropolitan areas in their survey,
    > and Verizon was the top carrier in 17 of those areas. This was an
    > especially well-designed survey with a very large statistical sample
    > size, so the margin of error is very low.
    >


    I live in the Chicago area and had been using Verizon for the last year.
    I droped Cingular because Verizon network worked in a area of Arizona
    that I go, and the gsm did not. The rub was that verizon did not work at
    my home in Chicago area. Cingular finally got coverage in the Arizona
    area, and I went back to them. It is hard to figure out these things!

    Jim



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  2. #17
    Scott
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <[email protected]> on Wed, 03 May 2006 07:04:53
    > -0700, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Furthermore, I find that a network's coverage is of the most value when
    >>going _outside_ those 50 largest markets. Specifically, in California,
    >>when you go into the Sierra's, Verizon (or other CDMA and AMPS carriers
    >>that you can roam on), provide far greater coverage than is obtainable
    >>on Cingular or T-Mobile. The same level of coverage may be available on
    >>Sprint, via roaming, I don't know, as I don't have a Sprint phone, but
    >>Cingular and T-Mobile are at a big disadvantage.
    >>
    >>Another issue is the coverage on the fringes of those markets. In the
    >>San Francisco Bay Area, fringe coverage (outside the urban or suburban
    >>core) varies greatly among carriers (though this will change somewhat if
    >>AMPS is turned off). Go to parks in the green belt, or to some of the
    >>new (or old) developments where there is opposition to cell towers, and
    >>the coverage is very different among carriers, with Verizon being far
    >>better (as evidenced by all the survey results, as well as my own
    >>experience).

    >
    > Simply untrue. Cingular has very good coverage.
    >
    > --


    No- that is simply untrue. Cingular has the smallest footprint of the big
    three.





  3. #18
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    That depends where you are. Here in WI, cingular has the largest
    coverage area, followed by uscellular, then Sprint PCS, then verizon.



  4. #19

    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    I use Verizon. Pricey but dependable.

    I used US Cellular --- not a good service but run by honest people.
    I used Cingular -------not a good service and run by aXXholes
    I used SunCom -----lousy service ----- and run by genuine crooked
    rat bastards, who keep billing for services after they refunded us in
    full, and even turned their bogus account over to a collection agency.




  5. #20
    SMS
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    [email protected] wrote:

    > I use Verizon. Pricey but dependable.


    I think that it's interesting to look at ARPU. For the latest quarter,
    Cingular was $48.48, Verizon was $49.36, Sprint-Nextel was $62 (though
    this is because of all the high value Nextel customers), T-Mobile hasn't
    reported yet, but they should be around $52, same as 4Q2005.

    Verizon had actually been lower than Cingular for a long time, but
    Cingular's ARPU has been falling faster, partly because Verizon is ahead
    of Cingular in the wide deployment of high speed data.

    At least in terms of ARPU, Verizon isn't really pricey. Also Verizon has
    a great many corporate discount programs, i.e. my wife gets 18% off per
    month, and some programs are 25% off. For subscribers that need a large
    amount of peak minutes, Verizon used to be more pricey, but they're
    about the same as Cingular now. T-Mobile is cheaper, but their coverage
    isn't as good. My brother-in-law is a real estate agent and uses about
    2000 minutes a month. He was tempted by Cingular's roll-over plan, but
    he couldn't deal with the coverage issues in the cities he works in
    (he's in the San Francisco Bay Area, where Cingular coverage is not great).

    Verizon certainly doesn't see a need to drop their pants on price, with
    all the indpendent surveys consistently rating them as having the best
    network, but on the other hand, they can't charge an unreasonable
    premium for their quality of coverage either.

    Also, Verizon, through their PagePlus MVNO, has the best prepaid
    offering of any of the carriers ("http://www.pagepluscellular.com/").
    T-Mobile has similar pricing, but the T-Mobile prepaid network is very
    limited (no Cingular roaming as on T-Mobile's postpaid accounts.




  6. #21
    John Navas
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 08 May 2006 13:19:42
    -0700, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Verizon had actually been lower than Cingular for a long time, but
    >Cingular's ARPU has been falling faster, partly because Verizon is ahead
    >of Cingular in the wide deployment of high speed data.


    That's simply speculation on your part, reflecting your personal biases.

    >At least in terms of ARPU, Verizon isn't really pricey.


    ARPU has absolutely nothing to do with being pricey or not, as your prior
    statement actually admits.

    >For subscribers that need a large
    >amount of peak minutes, Verizon used to be more pricey, but they're
    >about the same as Cingular now.


    Verizon has had to cut prices to match Cingular. So much for "It's the
    Network" claims.

    >My brother-in-law is a real estate agent and uses about
    >2000 minutes a month. He was tempted by Cingular's roll-over plan, but
    >he couldn't deal with the coverage issues in the cities he works in
    >(he's in the San Francisco Bay Area, where Cingular coverage is not great).


    Cingular coverage of the San Francisco Bay Area is actually very good,
    arguably the best of any carrier.

    >Verizon certainly doesn't see a need to drop their pants on price,


    Yet you just admitted that it did.

    >with
    >all the indpendent surveys consistently rating them as having the best
    >network, but on the other hand, they can't charge an unreasonable
    >premium for their quality of coverage either.


    Double-talk.

    >Also, Verizon, through their PagePlus MVNO, has the best prepaid
    >offering of any of the carriers ("http://www.pagepluscellular.com/").
    >T-Mobile has similar pricing, but the T-Mobile prepaid network is very
    >limited (no Cingular roaming as on T-Mobile's postpaid accounts.


    Shameless promotion.

    Careful, Steven, your bias is even more painfully clear than usual.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  7. #22

    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    SMS wrote:

    >
    > Also, Verizon, through their PagePlus MVNO, has the best prepaid
    > offering of any of the carriers ("http://www.pagepluscellular.com/").
    > T-Mobile has similar pricing, but the T-Mobile prepaid network is very
    > limited (no Cingular roaming as on T-Mobile's postpaid accounts.
    >


    I still think Virgin Mobile's plan is better because you don't have to deal with 2-stage dialing or
    roaming charges ($1.95/min for PagePlus roaming).

    -Jason



  8. #23
    John Navas
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 08 May 2006 17:02:26 -0500,
    [email protected]lid wrote:

    >SMS wrote:
    >
    >> Also, Verizon, through their PagePlus MVNO, has the best prepaid
    >> offering of any of the carriers ("http://www.pagepluscellular.com/").
    >> T-Mobile has similar pricing, but the T-Mobile prepaid network is very
    >> limited (no Cingular roaming as on T-Mobile's postpaid accounts.

    >
    >I still think Virgin Mobile's plan is better because you don't have to deal with 2-stage dialing or
    >roaming charges ($1.95/min for PagePlus roaming).


    Doesn't fit with Steven's personal pro-Verizon agenda.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  9. #24
    SMS
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    [email protected]lid wrote:
    > SMS wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> Also, Verizon, through their PagePlus MVNO, has the best prepaid
    >> offering of any of the carriers ("http://www.pagepluscellular.com/").
    >> T-Mobile has similar pricing, but the T-Mobile prepaid network is very
    >> limited (no Cingular roaming as on T-Mobile's postpaid accounts.
    >>

    >
    > I still think Virgin Mobile's plan is better because you don't have to
    > deal with 2-stage dialing or roaming charges ($1.95/min for PagePlus
    > roaming).


    The reason that there are no roaming charges on Virgin is the same
    reason that there are no roaming charges on T-Mobile prepaid, you can't
    roam, period. If you prefer "no service" to roaming charges, then that's
    your choice of course. Virgin uses Sprint's network, which has far less
    coverage than Verizon, even without roaming, there are entire states
    with no Sprint service. On Sprint postpaid, you can roam on other CDMA
    networks (just like T-Mobile postpaid can roam onto Cingular).

    I'd be a little concerned about receiving calls while roaming with
    PagePlus, but you know when you're _making_ a roaming call.

    Virgin also has a lot higher minimum charges per year, at $80, versus
    $30 for PagePlus. And of course the Virgin rates are higher, since with
    PagePlus, it's 10 a minute for all minutes, if you buy the $80 card, no
    paying extra for the first ten minutes each day, or paying $10 per month
    extra to get 10 minutes all the time.



  10. #25
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    Actually cingular (cellular B) and uscellular (cellular A) are just
    about equal.



  11. #26
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    There are not many states with no Sprint PCS coverage, and those same
    states don't have any verizon antenna sites on them either.



  12. #27
    Jeremy
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It


    "Jerome Zelinske" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > There are not many states with no Sprint PCS coverage, and those same
    > states don't have any verizon antenna sites on them either.


    One could argue that if there is no Sprint PCS service in a given location,
    it is probably unfit for visitation or habitation . . . :-)





  13. #28
    SMS
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    Scott wrote:

    > No- that is simply untrue. Cingular has the smallest footprint of the big
    > three.


    Actually Cingular has better native coverage than Sprint, but poorer
    coverage when you factor in available roaming. Sprint users can roam on
    Verizon, other CDMA carriers, and AMPS carriers, where Sprint has no
    coverage. Since many of the smaller rural carriers went the CDMA route
    due to CDMA's superiority in terms of the the number of cells needed to
    cover large areas (i.e. Golden State Cellular in California.

    There is a lot of interest by AMPS carriers in using extended range CDMA
    to replace their analog networks. Even though the CDMA equipment is more
    expensive per cell, you need far fewer cells. In places like Alaska,
    where AMPS covers more of the state than any other technology, CDMA is
    the way to go if and when a carrier attempts to replace AMPS.



  14. #29
    John Navas
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    Re: Best Cellphone Company? All of Them, to Hear Them Say It

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Thu, 11 May 2006 11:25:45
    -0700, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Scott wrote:
    >
    >> No- that is simply untrue. Cingular has the smallest footprint of the big
    >> three.

    >
    >Actually Cingular has better native coverage than Sprint, but poorer
    >coverage when you factor in available roaming. Sprint users can roam on
    >Verizon, other CDMA carriers, and AMPS carriers, where Sprint has no
    >coverage. Since many of the smaller rural carriers went the CDMA route
    >due to CDMA's superiority in terms of the the number of cells needed to
    >cover large areas (i.e. Golden State Cellular in California.
    >
    >There is a lot of interest by AMPS carriers in using extended range CDMA
    >to replace their analog networks. Even though the CDMA equipment is more
    >expensive per cell, you need far fewer cells.


    There is no such CDMA superiority. GSM is comparable.
    <http://www.3gamericas.org/PDFs/gsm_rural_operators_june2003.pdf>

    >In places like Alaska,
    >where AMPS covers more of the state than any other technology, CDMA is
    >the way to go if and when a carrier attempts to replace AMPS.


    Yet Dobson went GSM.
    <http://www.wirelessweek.com/article/CA457762.html?spacedesc=Departments>
    Likewise Alaska Wireless Communications.

    See also "Chinook Wireless Switches From CDMA to GSM"
    <http://www.cellular-news.com/story/17287.php>

    Chinook Wireless has selected Nokia to build a GSM/GPRS/EDGE network
    throughout Montana, USA. Nokia is supplying the entire radio and core
    network, along with network services. The companies have signed a
    five-year supply contract covering equipment, network planning
    services, deployment services and Nokia Care services. Chinook
    Wireless will be deploying one of North America's first 3GPP Release
    4 network architectures, using Nokia's mobile softswitch solution MSC
    Server System. Additionally, Nokia is providing a portfolio of
    services, including network planning, installation, integration, and
    testing.

    "Chinook Wireless is committed to delivering the highest quality
    wireless voice and data services in the State of Montana," said
    Jonathan Foxman, President and CEO. "Nokia's GSM/GPRS/EDGE solution
    will enable Chinook to deliver state-of-the-art digital wireless
    services. With Nokia's support, we will provide a service that will
    greatly exceed our customers' expectations."

    Nokia says that the GSM/GPRS/EDGE network will replace Chinook
    Wireless' CDMA network.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



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