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  1. #1
    Agent_C
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    On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:25:09 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >"http://www.physorg.com/news70787449.html"
    >
    >Of course, as the author writes, Verizon has the least to lose from a
    >reduction in termination fees, because their churn is so much lower than
    >the other carriers, plus the new fee structure will be a marketing
    >advantage that the other carries will be reluctant to copy.


    It's a good strategy... Their competitors will have to follow suit and
    that ultimately means more people moving over to Verizon. In many
    parts of the country, Verizon's coverage is superior and people would
    switch if they could.

    A lot of people that got duped into signing up for Cingular and
    T-Mobile by the bogus advertising claims and cheap plans are quickly
    realizing that you get what you pay for.

    A_C




    See More: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating Termination Fee




  2. #2
    EOO
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating Termination Fee


    "Agent_C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:25:09 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    > wrote:


    > A lot of people that got duped into signing up for Cingular and
    > T-Mobile by the bogus advertising claims and cheap plans are quickly
    > realizing that you get what you pay for.
    >
    > A_C
    >

    Yikes! That's one reason I signed up with Sprint.





  3. #3
    Mij Adyaw
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating Termination Fee

    The difference is that unlike the others, Sprint delivers good performance,
    especially here in Southern California.

    "EOO" <whereeverforever.com> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Agent_C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:25:09 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:

    >
    >> A lot of people that got duped into signing up for Cingular and
    >> T-Mobile by the bogus advertising claims and cheap plans are quickly
    >> realizing that you get what you pay for.
    >>
    >> A_C
    >>

    > Yikes! That's one reason I signed up with Sprint.
    >






  4. #4
    SMS
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating TerminationFee

    Mij Adyaw wrote:
    > The difference is that unlike the others, Sprint delivers good performance,
    > especially here in Southern California.


    Sprint coverage is spotty in Northern California, though this is
    partially the fault of suburban residents that fight new towers. Verizon
    and Cingular (since the AT&T Wireless acquisition) are mainly at 800
    Mhz, which lessens the need for cells. In my city, one whole section has
    no Sprint coverage due to a lack of towers, and there are constant
    battles with residents. T-Mobile coverage is similarly bad.



  5. #5
    John Navas
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating Termination Fee

    On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:43:28 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >... Verizon
    >and Cingular (since the AT&T Wireless acquisition) are mainly at 800
    >Mhz, which lessens the need for cells. ...


    Not significantly, particularly in urban areas.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  6. #6
    Quick
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating Termination Fee

    Agent_C wrote:
    >
    > It's a good strategy... Their competitors will have to
    > follow suit and that ultimately means more people moving
    > over to Verizon. In many parts of the country, Verizon's
    > coverage is superior and people would switch if they
    > could.


    That doesn't make sense. At best it could make the rate
    a bit more constant instead of "bursty" at contract end
    dates. And that would be dependent on contract end
    dates being "lined up" -- everybody's contract ends on
    a certain date. If someone has already decided to move
    they might move sooner if the ETF is less. Otherwise they
    wait until the end of the contract and then move. I don't
    think there will be more people moving because of this.

    Then again I suppose those that constantly move might
    make more moves in the same amount of time...

    -Quick





  7. #7
    SMS
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating TerminationFee

    Quick wrote:
    > Agent_C wrote:
    >> It's a good strategy... Their competitors will have to
    >> follow suit and that ultimately means more people moving
    >> over to Verizon. In many parts of the country, Verizon's
    >> coverage is superior and people would switch if they
    >> could.

    >
    > That doesn't make sense. At best it could make the rate
    > a bit more constant instead of "bursty" at contract end
    > dates. And that would be dependent on contract end
    > dates being "lined up" -- everybody's contract ends on
    > a certain date. If someone has already decided to move
    > they might move sooner if the ETF is less. Otherwise they
    > wait until the end of the contract and then move. I don't
    > think there will be more people moving because of this.


    I think that it's going to encourage more people to move to Verizon,
    with the thought that should they decide to leave before two years is up
    the termination penalty will be lower. In reality, few of those new
    customers will take advantage of the lower termination fee because of
    Verizon's superior coverage.



  8. #8
    BruceR
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating Termination Fee

    My guess is that VZW and others will do this to avoid regulatory
    scrutiny. Since the ETF is supposed to amortize the phone subsidy, it
    only makes sense that their "damages" be pro-rated. My partner moved
    from VZW to TMo with 9 days left on the contract and charged the full
    $200. We countered that the full month had already been paid for and
    there were no damages to VZW. After explaining to the supervisor that
    we were prepared to take this to the Attorney General's office they
    relented and took it off the bill.


    > Agent_C wrote:
    >>
    >> It's a good strategy... Their competitors will have to
    >> follow suit and that ultimately means more people moving
    >> over to Verizon. In many parts of the country, Verizon's
    >> coverage is superior and people would switch if they
    >> could.

    >
    > That doesn't make sense. At best it could make the rate
    > a bit more constant instead of "bursty" at contract end
    > dates. And that would be dependent on contract end
    > dates being "lined up" -- everybody's contract ends on
    > a certain date. If someone has already decided to move
    > they might move sooner if the ETF is less. Otherwise they
    > wait until the end of the contract and then move. I don't
    > think there will be more people moving because of this.
    >
    > Then again I suppose those that constantly move might
    > make more moves in the same amount of time...
    >
    > -Quick






  9. #9
    SMS
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating TerminationFee

    SinghaLvr wrote:
    > On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:22:57 -0400, BruceR wrote
    > (in article <[email protected]>):
    >
    >> My guess is that VZW and others will do this to avoid regulatory
    >> scrutiny. Since the ETF is supposed to amortize the phone subsidy, it
    >> only makes sense that their "damages" be pro-rated.

    >
    > One problem though: Even if you bring your own phone (so they do not
    > subsidize a phone) you still have to get a contract to get service, and it
    > still has the early termination fee (ETF).
    >
    > Sprint does this too.


    Doesn't Sprint have a no-contract option, at a higher rate?



  10. #10
    BruceR
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating Termination Fee

    True, making it even more difficult to justify. However, even if you do
    bring your own phone you're still entitled to a free or subsidized one
    that you can sell on ebay. When I first went to TMo with my own v600 a
    few years ago, they gave me a v300 free with a 1 year contract. I
    promptly sold it on ebay for $225 which would more than cover the ETF if
    I decided to bail early.


    > On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:22:57 -0400, BruceR wrote
    > (in article <[email protected]>):
    >
    >>
    >> My guess is that VZW and others will do this to avoid regulatory
    >> scrutiny. Since the ETF is supposed to amortize the phone subsidy,
    >> it only makes sense that their "damages" be pro-rated.

    >
    > One problem though: Even if you bring your own phone (so they do not
    > subsidize a phone) you still have to get a contract to get service,
    > and it still has the early termination fee (ETF).
    >
    > Sprint does this too.






  11. #11
    Kevin Weaver
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating TerminationFee

    I just asked Cingular this question the other day in fact.
    They told me If I bring my phone I'm not in contract.

    So they lied ?


    BruceR wrote:

    > True, making it even more difficult to justify. However, even if you do
    > bring your own phone you're still entitled to a free or subsidized one
    > that you can sell on ebay. When I first went to TMo with my own v600 a
    > few years ago, they gave me a v300 free with a 1 year contract. I
    > promptly sold it on ebay for $225 which would more than cover the ETF if
    > I decided to bail early.
    >
    >
    >> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:22:57 -0400, BruceR wrote
    >> (in article <[email protected]>):
    >>
    >>> My guess is that VZW and others will do this to avoid regulatory
    >>> scrutiny. Since the ETF is supposed to amortize the phone subsidy,
    >>> it only makes sense that their "damages" be pro-rated.

    >> One problem though: Even if you bring your own phone (so they do not
    >> subsidize a phone) you still have to get a contract to get service,
    >> and it still has the early termination fee (ETF).
    >>
    >> Sprint does this too.

    >
    >




  12. #12
    BruceR
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating Termination Fee

    Don't know. My comment wasn't about Cingular. You tell us. Did they give
    you a plan with no contract?


    > I just asked Cingular this question the other day in fact.
    > They told me If I bring my phone I'm not in contract.
    >
    > So they lied ?
    >
    >
    > BruceR wrote:
    >
    >> True, making it even more difficult to justify. However, even if you
    >> do bring your own phone you're still entitled to a free or
    >> subsidized one that you can sell on ebay. When I first went to TMo
    >> with my own v600 a few years ago, they gave me a v300 free with a 1
    >> year contract. I promptly sold it on ebay for $225 which would more
    >> than cover the ETF if I decided to bail early.
    >>
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:22:57 -0400, BruceR wrote
    >>> (in article <[email protected]>):
    >>>
    >>>> My guess is that VZW and others will do this to avoid regulatory
    >>>> scrutiny. Since the ETF is supposed to amortize the phone subsidy,
    >>>> it only makes sense that their "damages" be pro-rated.
    >>> One problem though: Even if you bring your own phone (so they do
    >>> not subsidize a phone) you still have to get a contract to get
    >>> service, and it still has the early termination fee (ETF).
    >>>
    >>> Sprint does this too.






  13. #13
    Kevin Weaver
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating TerminationFee

    Don't know yet. I called and spoke with the salesman. Still have another
    month to go with verizon. Then If It's true about no contract, then I'll
    sell mine and buy one on ebay.

    I'll call another store and confirm.


    BruceR wrote:
    > Don't know. My comment wasn't about Cingular. You tell us. Did they give
    > you a plan with no contract?
    >
    >
    >> I just asked Cingular this question the other day in fact.
    >> They told me If I bring my phone I'm not in contract.
    >>
    >> So they lied ?
    >>
    >>
    >> BruceR wrote:
    >>
    >>> True, making it even more difficult to justify. However, even if you
    >>> do bring your own phone you're still entitled to a free or
    >>> subsidized one that you can sell on ebay. When I first went to TMo
    >>> with my own v600 a few years ago, they gave me a v300 free with a 1
    >>> year contract. I promptly sold it on ebay for $225 which would more
    >>> than cover the ETF if I decided to bail early.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:22:57 -0400, BruceR wrote
    >>>> (in article <[email protected]>):
    >>>>
    >>>>> My guess is that VZW and others will do this to avoid regulatory
    >>>>> scrutiny. Since the ETF is supposed to amortize the phone subsidy,
    >>>>> it only makes sense that their "damages" be pro-rated.
    >>>> One problem though: Even if you bring your own phone (so they do
    >>>> not subsidize a phone) you still have to get a contract to get
    >>>> service, and it still has the early termination fee (ETF).
    >>>>
    >>>> Sprint does this too.

    >
    >




  14. #14
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating TerminationFee

    SMS wrote:

    > Doesn't Sprint have a no-contract option, at a higher rate?


    Used to. We weren't sure how coverage would be when we started service with
    Sprint back in 2001, so we used that option. Was the regular package price
    plus $10 per month. After a month or two, after we determined that coverage
    would be sufficient for our needs, we initiated a contract and dropped the
    $10/month surcharge.

    --
    Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
    Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED

    It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.



  15. #15
    Quick
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    Re: Verizon Breaks with Industry, and to begins Pro-rating Termination Fee

    Cyrus Afzali wrote:
    >
    > I don't know about Verizon, but T-Mobile and many other
    > cellular companies are more than happy to give you
    > service without a contract, once your initial agreement
    > is up.


    Uhhh, yes... but they were talking about initial service.

    -Quick





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