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  1. #1
    Mij Adyaw
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    How do we really know that Cingular is taking share from Sprint and Verizon?
    A Cingular dealer will say that, however, a Sprint dealer will say that
    Sprint rules and that all other carriers drool. Therefore, we need to take
    most of this stuff with a grain of salt and choose the cell phone provider
    that works the best in the areas that we work, play, travel, and live.

    We all know that Verizon is the best because "it's the Network". Only
    kidding... This kind of stuff is proof that we are drinking way too much
    KoolAid!

    p.s. Also be aware that there are shills in this here newsgroup. The shills
    are on the payroll of the Cellular carriers or they are resellers of the
    cellular service and one of their goals is to get you to switch providers to
    the company that they are a shill for. Therefore, be carefull not to drink
    the KoolAid and watch out for the Shills.


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:28:16 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    > wrote in <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>Anon E. Muss wrote:
    >>
    >>> Not when you factor in the tri-mode phones that support D-AMPS. In
    >>> that case, carriers that support it (e.g., Verizon and Sprint) "edge
    >>> out" Cingular.

    >>
    >>Even with all-digital, Cingular has some big gaps in the tri-valley area
    >>where Verizon has good coverage.

    >
    > Cingular actually has much better coverage in the Tri-Valley part of the
    > SF Bay Area than Verizon.
    >
    >>Verizon has gotten a lot of new
    >>customers in that area from people that I know, [SNIP]

    >
    > Dealers I've talked to say that Cingular is taking share from other
    > carriers, particularly Sprint, but also Verizon.
    >
    > --
    > Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    > John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>






    See More: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular




  2. #2
    SMS
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    Mij Adyaw wrote:
    > How do we really know that Cingular is taking share from Sprint and Verizon?
    > A Cingular dealer will say that, however, a Sprint dealer will say that
    > Sprint rules and that all other carriers drool. Therefore, we need to take
    > most of this stuff with a grain of salt and choose the cell phone provider
    > that works the best in the areas that we work, play, travel, and live.


    You can look at the net additions from quarter to quarter to see who is
    gaining market share and who is losing it.

    Look at "http://www.cellular-news.com/story/18056.php"

    Verizon is gaining market share, Sprint and Cingular are losing market
    share at about an equal rate, and T-Mobile is losing market share at a
    rapid rate.

    It doesn't really matter what the dealers say, the actual numbers are
    public.



  3. #3
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:04:45 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Mij Adyaw wrote:
    >> How do we really know that Cingular is taking share from Sprint and Verizon?
    >> A Cingular dealer will say that, however, a Sprint dealer will say that
    >> Sprint rules and that all other carriers drool. Therefore, we need to take
    >> most of this stuff with a grain of salt and choose the cell phone provider
    >> that works the best in the areas that we work, play, travel, and live.

    >
    >You can look at the net additions from quarter to quarter to see who is
    >gaining market share and who is losing it.
    >
    >Look at "http://www.cellular-news.com/story/18056.php"
    >
    >Verizon is gaining market share, Sprint and Cingular are losing market
    >share at about an equal rate, and T-Mobile is losing market share at a
    >rapid rate.
    >
    >It doesn't really matter what the dealers say, the actual numbers are
    >public.


    But only on an aggregate basis by quarter, in arrears, so they don't say
    anything about the area in question or even the time period in question.
    In addition, these shifts in market share are quite small and erratic in
    relative terms. And Cingular remains the largest carrier, contrary to
    your many forecasts and efforts to spin it otherwise.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  4. #4
    Mij Adyaw
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    This simply means that folks are swallowing the Verizon Marketing. That's
    all there is to it. Drinkin the Koolaid.

    "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Mij Adyaw wrote:
    >> How do we really know that Cingular is taking share from Sprint and
    >> Verizon? A Cingular dealer will say that, however, a Sprint dealer will
    >> say that Sprint rules and that all other carriers drool. Therefore, we
    >> need to take most of this stuff with a grain of salt and choose the cell
    >> phone provider that works the best in the areas that we work, play,
    >> travel, and live.

    >
    > You can look at the net additions from quarter to quarter to see who is
    > gaining market share and who is losing it.
    >
    > Look at "http://www.cellular-news.com/story/18056.php"
    >
    > Verizon is gaining market share, Sprint and Cingular are losing market
    > share at about an equal rate, and T-Mobile is losing market share at a
    > rapid rate.
    >
    > It doesn't really matter what the dealers say, the actual numbers are
    > public.






  5. #5
    SMS
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    Mij Adyaw wrote:
    > This simply means that folks are swallowing the Verizon Marketing. That's
    > all there is to it. Drinkin the Koolaid.


    Not really, as Verizon's gain in market share is very small, it's really
    Sprint and T-Mobile that have had the biggest gains, percentage-wise,
    while the Cingular percentage loss is very large, statistically speaking.

    Sprint has gained about 6x as much market share as Verizon gained in the
    past four quarters.

    T-Mobile has gained about 7x as much market share as Verizon gained in
    the past four quarters.

    Cingular has lost 15x as much market share as Verizon gained in the past
    four quarters.

    Sprint has been impressive in terms of market share gains, considering
    that it's roughly the same size as Cingular and Verizon. It's easier for
    T-Mobile to have a big swing one way or the other, as they're much
    smaller to being with.



  6. #6
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:04:45 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    =>Look at "http://www.cellular-news.com/story/18056.php"
    >
    >Verizon is gaining market share, Sprint and Cingular are losing market
    >share at about an equal rate, and T-Mobile is losing market share at a
    >rapid rate.


    Part of what you left out:

    ... Cingular is executing well. ...

    The analysts report that Sprint continues to struggle with its
    marketing message and many customers and some sales reps still do not
    understand the value added associated with the Sprint Nextel merger.
    Contrasting the problems at Sprint, operations at Cingular have
    consistently been improving, based on their store visits over the past
    several quarters. There are still some areas where customers remain
    unhappy with Cingular's network coverage, but in general customers are
    seeing an improvement.

    As a result, Cingular and the former AT&T Wireless business are being
    mentioned less frequently by competitors as being ported from than had
    been the case throughout last year.

    Cingular is also now firmly entrenched at RadioShack in terms of sales
    personnel knowledge and phone selection. ...

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    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  7. #7
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:04:45 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Look at "http://www.cellular-news.com/story/18056.php"


    >It doesn't really matter what the dealers say, the actual numbers are
    >public.


    Those are actually "Merrill Lynch estimates."

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  8. #8
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:27:45 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Mij Adyaw wrote:
    >> This simply means that folks are swallowing the Verizon Marketing. That's
    >> all there is to it. Drinkin the Koolaid.

    >
    >Not really, as Verizon's gain in market share is very small, it's really
    >Sprint and T-Mobile that have had the biggest gains, percentage-wise,
    >while the Cingular percentage loss is very large, statistically speaking.
    >
    >Sprint has gained about 6x as much market share as Verizon gained in the
    >past four quarters.
    >
    >T-Mobile has gained about 7x as much market share as Verizon gained in
    >the past four quarters.
    >
    >Cingular has lost 15x as much market share as Verizon gained in the past
    >four quarters.
    >
    >Sprint has been impressive in terms of market share gains, considering
    >that it's roughly the same size as Cingular and Verizon. It's easier for
    >T-Mobile to have a big swing one way or the other, as they're much
    >smaller to being with.


    Focusing in on the most recent quarters for which real data is
    available, Q405 & Q106, we see Verizon *losing* market share, about as
    much market share loss as Cingular, with Sprint the winner, and T-Mobile
    flat. If that continues, Sprint could challenge Verizon for the #2 spot
    later this year. That's the real story, no matter how you try to spin
    it.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  9. #9
    Randall Ainsworth
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    In article <[email protected]>, SMS
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Not really, as Verizon's gain in market share is very small, it's really
    > Sprint and T-Mobile that have had the biggest gains, percentage-wise,
    > while the Cingular percentage loss is very large, statistically speaking.


    I would avoid those who intentionally cripple their hardware and do
    everything they can to get into your wallet (Verizon).



  10. #10
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    In alt.cellular.cingular Randall Ainsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, SMS
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Not really, as Verizon's gain in market share is very small, it's really
    >> Sprint and T-Mobile that have had the biggest gains, percentage-wise,
    >> while the Cingular percentage loss is very large, statistically speaking.

    >
    > I would avoid those who intentionally cripple their hardware and do
    > everything they can to get into your wallet (Verizon).


    In fact, they all do this. Verizon charges you for every little thing, right
    down to detail billing and extended voicemail (a standard on Sprint PCS).
    But, Verizon allows you to change your non-promotional plan items any time
    you want. Sprint locks you down to a plan and any changes to it [not the
    extras] resets your contract. If your lifestyle or family situation changes,
    Sprint PCS is quite inflexible. Sprint PCS offers very competitive plans at
    competitive prices, and extras are reasonable priced [you can get data on all
    phones on a plan cheaper than anybody except perhaps T-Mobile]. T-Mobile has
    great rates but struggles to compete with coverage and technology. Nextel is
    an enigma. Cingular is sort of the Verizon of GSM, but with better prices
    [marginally] a notoriously worse customer service.

    I could go on and on.

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    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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  11. #11
    Randall Ainsworth
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    In article <[email protected]>, Thomas T.
    Veldhouse <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In fact, they all do this. Verizon charges you for every little thing, right
    > down to detail billing and extended voicemail (a standard on Sprint PCS).
    > But, Verizon allows you to change your non-promotional plan items any time
    > you want. Sprint locks you down to a plan and any changes to it [not the
    > extras] resets your contract. If your lifestyle or family situation changes,
    > Sprint PCS is quite inflexible. Sprint PCS offers very competitive plans at
    > competitive prices, and extras are reasonable priced [you can get data on all
    > phones on a plan cheaper than anybody except perhaps T-Mobile]. T-Mobile has
    > great rates but struggles to compete with coverage and technology. Nextel is
    > an enigma. Cingular is sort of the Verizon of GSM, but with better prices
    > [marginally] a notoriously worse customer service.


    Granted, none are perfect. But intentionally crippling Bluetooth, for
    example, so that you can't transfer wallpaper and ringtones without
    collecting a fee - that's a pretty crappy business practice. And if you
    have one of the new Verizon music-enabled phones, you have to buy their
    software to make it work. That just sucks.

    I have TMO, partly because I write some of their knowledge base
    articles. They've got a good system and so far, coverage hasn't been a
    major factor.



  12. #12
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:53:29 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >In alt.cellular.cingular Randall Ainsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> In article <[email protected]>, SMS
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Not really, as Verizon's gain in market share is very small, it's really
    >>> Sprint and T-Mobile that have had the biggest gains, percentage-wise,
    >>> while the Cingular percentage loss is very large, statistically speaking.

    >>
    >> I would avoid those who intentionally cripple their hardware and do
    >> everything they can to get into your wallet (Verizon).

    >
    >In fact, they all do this. Verizon charges you for every little thing, right
    >down to detail billing and extended voicemail (a standard on Sprint PCS).
    >But, Verizon allows you to change your non-promotional plan items any time
    >you want. Sprint locks you down to a plan and any changes to it [not the
    >extras] resets your contract. If your lifestyle or family situation changes,
    >Sprint PCS is quite inflexible. Sprint PCS offers very competitive plans at
    >competitive prices, and extras are reasonable priced [you can get data on all
    >phones on a plan cheaper than anybody except perhaps T-Mobile]. T-Mobile has
    >great rates but struggles to compete with coverage and technology. Nextel is
    >an enigma. Cingular is sort of the Verizon of GSM, but with better prices
    >[marginally] a notoriously worse customer service.
    >
    >I could go on and on.


    You undoubtedly could, but that wouldn't make it any more correct. GSM
    carriers (Cingular and T-Mobile) generally *don't* cripple hardware that
    way, and you are always free to buy and use unbranded hardware in any
    event. And rate plans from all carriers are a real bargain by any
    standard.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  13. #13
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:05:56 -0700, Randall Ainsworth
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <120720060605569164%[email protected]>:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Thomas T.
    >Veldhouse <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> In fact, they all do this. Verizon charges you for every little thing, right
    >> down to detail billing and extended voicemail (a standard on Sprint PCS).
    >> But, Verizon allows you to change your non-promotional plan items any time
    >> you want. Sprint locks you down to a plan and any changes to it [not the
    >> extras] resets your contract. If your lifestyle or family situation changes,
    >> Sprint PCS is quite inflexible. Sprint PCS offers very competitive plans at
    >> competitive prices, and extras are reasonable priced [you can get data on all
    >> phones on a plan cheaper than anybody except perhaps T-Mobile]. T-Mobile has
    >> great rates but struggles to compete with coverage and technology. Nextel is
    >> an enigma. Cingular is sort of the Verizon of GSM, but with better prices
    >> [marginally] a notoriously worse customer service.

    >
    >Granted, none are perfect. But intentionally crippling Bluetooth, for
    >example, so that you can't transfer wallpaper and ringtones without
    >collecting a fee - that's a pretty crappy business practice. And if you
    >have one of the new Verizon music-enabled phones, you have to buy their
    >software to make it work. That just sucks.


    It really just an assumption. There are other valid reasons for
    restricting (not "crippling") Bluetooth (security, piracy), and other
    ways to accomplish file transfer.

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    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  14. #14
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    Randall Ainsworth wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, SMS
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Not really, as Verizon's gain in market share is very small, it's really
    >> Sprint and T-Mobile that have had the biggest gains, percentage-wise,
    >> while the Cingular percentage loss is very large, statistically speaking.

    >
    > I would avoid those who intentionally cripple their hardware and do
    > everything they can to get into your wallet (Verizon).


    Yet in terms of ARPU, Verizon is just a tad higher than Cingular, and
    that's very recently and due to Verizon's faster deployment of 3G.
    Sprint and T-Mobile have significantly higher ARPUs than Verizon. I
    think it may be because Verizon and Cingular have more business
    customers, whose employees are not downloading custom ringtones, sending
    photos, or watching videos, on the network.

    The crippling of hardware is a definite annoyance, but again, coverage
    trumps most everything in making a choice of carrier.



  15. #15
    Mij Adyaw
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    Why does Sprint have better sound quality than Verizon? I have noticed this
    on several different phone models. Does Sprint use a different codec?

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > In alt.cellular.verizon paulmurray1 <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> I have Cingular now, and T-Mobile prior. My first cell phone ever was
    >> with Sprint (CDMA like Verizon). I have to tell you that I've found the
    >> sound quality on GSM to be far better than CDMA.
    >>
    >> GSM always sounds like a land line.
    >>

    >
    > Indeed, because GSM carriers don't typically use noise cancellation
    > hardware
    > and codecs. The advantage is a more natural sound. The disadvantage can
    > be
    > that somebody talking in a windy or noisy environment may have so much
    > background noise that they can not be heard very well. Since cellular
    > technology was designed for outdoor use (that seems to be changing
    > though), it
    > makes sense to have the noise cancellation in place ... so from that point
    > of
    > view, you could say that current GSM implementations are lacking.
    >
    > In short, I agree with you that most GSM phones have better sound quality.
    >
    > --
    > Thomas T. Veldhouse
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